Grosicki and Narsingh

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:23 pm

Is it only a coincidence that since their respective signings, Hull and Swansea have massively picked up form?

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:27 pm

No they have both been brilliant all month and helped them win every game they have started.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:37 pm

Narsingh hasn't started a game for swansea and Grosiki only started against liverpool.

dibraidio · Post by **dibraidio** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:37 pm

3 massive man of the match performances between them... sack the board.

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:40 pm

claretdom wrote:No they have both been brilliant all month and helped them win every game they have started.

Thanks for that well thought out response to a perfectly reasonable question!

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:42 pm

Happy to help

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:42 pm

Amazing how people take a relatively benign question and turn it into a dig at our club. JUST seen them both on MOTD 2 playing for the aforementioned clubs so thought I would put the question out there. Hey ho!!!!!

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:46 pm

HiroshimaClaret wrote:Amazing how people take a relatively benign question and turn it into a dig at our club. JUST seen them both on MOTD 2 playing for the aforementioned clubs so thought I would put the question out there. Hey ho!!!!!

Don't expect reasoned debate on here mate

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:47 pm

They have both been on great form
Swansea 6 points from Liverpool away and Southamptonat home an Hull 4 points from United away and Liverpool at home.

Thought both would be lucky to get 1 each from those fixtures.
Hull have arsenal away next, and might get something there too, whilst Swansea host a free falling Leicester.

Certainly leaves us needing an extra win to be sure than what was the case 2 weeks ago.

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:48 pm

claretandy wrote:Narsingh hasn't started a game for swansea and Grosiki only started against liverpool.

Thanks for the info. Just interested after we seemingly showed intent to sign them both (well, Grosicki anyway) and they have appeared in the Premier League for other clubs.

Seems Hull weren`t too fussed about Grosicki`s debts (they must have been WELL aware of them after our deal fell through).

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:49 pm

Narsingh's got an assist already, in his 56 minutes of action so far, and Grosicki played 80 mins in a 2-0 win against Liverpool. Got a 7.1 rating on WhoScored.

Sounds like they've got off to good starts.

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:51 pm

I`m sure Brady will be just as effective as either of them would have been, given the chance.

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:53 pm

Walton wrote:Narsingh's got an assist already, in his 56 minutes of action so far, and Grosicki played 80 mins in a 2-0 win against Liverpool. Got a 7.1 rating on WhoScored.

Sounds like they've got off to good starts.

Time will tell but let`s hope neither of them do anything to significantly impact our season.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:54 pm

lets not get carried away with the form of either Hull or Swansea. Swansea have won 3 out of 5, fair enough, but there's a reason they are where they are in the league in the first place. Hull meanwhile, for all the lording of their form, have won 1 in the last 10.

Worth taking a look at this link. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38874417" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. The bottom team that season (West Brom) had 22 points at this stage, which would have them 15th this season, whilst Newcastle were 15th on 24 points. I think the survival cut off that year was 33.

Chances are, based on all historical precedent, one win is likely to keep us up now, and 2 almost certainly will, with the usual draw or two along the way.

As for Grosicki and Narsingh, not sure either of them have done enough to comment so far. Narsingh is certainly as quick as he was billed, that's for certain. But Brady was the player we all wanted us to sign ahead of either of them so we've done OK in that respect.

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:54 pm

joey13 wrote:Don't expect reasoned debate on here mate

Sad, isn`t it?

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:57 pm

It would be quite a stretch to give Grosicki credit for Hull's point at Man U, because he wasn't in the squad.

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:58 pm

claretspice wrote:lets not get carried away with the form of either Hull or Swansea. Swansea have won 3 out of 5, fair enough, but there's a reason they are where they are in the league in the first place. Hull meanwhile, for all the lording of their form, have won 1 in the last 10.

Worth taking a look at this link. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38874417" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. The bottom team that season (West Brom) had 22 points at this stage, which would have them 15th this season, whilst Newcastle were 15th on 24 points. I think the survival cut off that year was 33.

Chances are, based on all historical precedent, one win is likely to keep us up now, and 2 almost certainly will, with the usual draw or two along the way.

As for Grosicki and Narsingh, not sure either of them have done enough to comment so far. Narsingh is certainly as quick as he was billed, that's for certain. But Brady was the player we all wanted us to sign ahead of either of them so we've done OK in that respect.

A mature response to a perfectly reasonable question. Thanks. One win though!!!??? That would be cutting it close, surely!!!!!!! My nerves couldn`t take it!!!!!! You`re right, of course, regards Hull, but they have picked up 9 points (I think) in those 10 games. I think the continued poor form of Sunderland, Crystal Palace and Bournemouth will have more of an impact on our season (UNLESS WE MAINTAIN OUR SUPERB HOME FORM).

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:59 pm

I bet Grosicki fades!

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:05 pm

HiroshimaClaret wrote:
Seems Hull weren`t too fussed about Grosicki`s debts (they must have been WELL aware of them after our deal fell through).

Are the debts still an issue or were they sorted prior to any move being agreed?
Or are you just plucking it out of the air to wave around in the hope you're right?

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:08 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Are the debts still an issue or were they sorted prior to any move being agreed?
Or are you just plucking it out of the air to wave around in the hope you're right?

I doubt the debts are an issue still as a contract has been signed BUT who knows with Hull!!!???
Black, white or grey...this is a football forum, isn`t it?

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:08 pm

Hull and Swansea look so much more organised then they did before their new managers were brought in, so it's not surprising that they've experienced an upturn in their results. I'm not sure either Grosicki or Narsingh can be credited too much for this though, but they've both looked promising from the outside looking in.

Hull have beaten Bournemouth and Liverpool and drawn with United recently whilst Swansea have beaten Liverpool and Southampton and drawn with City. There's something to be slightly concerned with there, in my opinion, although there are others teams who'll rightly be more concerned with that than us at present.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:10 pm

ksrclaret wrote:Hull and Swansea look so much more organised then they did before their new managers were brought in, so it's not surprising that they've experienced an upturn in their results. I'm not sure either Grosicki or Narsingh can be credited too much for this though, but they've both looked promising from the outside looking in.

Hull have beaten Bournemouth and Liverpool and drawn with United recently whilst Swansea have beaten Liverpool and Southampton and drawn with City. There's something to be slightly concerned with there, in my opinion, although there are others teams who'll rightly be more concerned with that than us at present.

Swansea lost to Man City.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:11 pm

ksrclaret wrote:Hull and Swansea look so much more organised then they did before their new managers were brought in, so it's not surprising that they've experienced an upturn in their results

I think any new manager would have improved the organisation at Swansea after Bradley.

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:13 pm

ksrclaret wrote:Hull and Swansea look so much more organised then they did before their new managers were brought in, so it's not surprising that they've experienced an upturn in their results. I'm not sure either Grosicki or Narsingh can be credited too much for this though, but they've both looked promising from the outside looking in.

Hull have beaten Bournemouth and Liverpool and drawn with United recently whilst Swansea have beaten Liverpool and Southampton and drawn with City. There's something to be slightly concerned with there, in my opinion, although there are others teams who'll rightly be more concerned with that than us at present.

Another addition to the `mature contribution` column!

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:13 pm

Spice - Swansea and Hull both have new managers aswell as several new players each, which usually see's teams have an upturn in results/preformances.
It's not beyond possibility that Swansea could get 6 points from the next 3 matches whilst Hull will be looking at 3/4. Sadly if that happens that could well mean we have got 0 from the next 3, which will certainly drag in a few more teams in and tighten the pack.

Obviously 3/4 points from our next 3 sees us safe, but it might just get a bit more twitchy at 17:00 after the Swansea game should our away for follow trend.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:13 pm

Spijed wrote:Swansea lost to Man City.

Yes sorry of course they did, thankfully!

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:20 pm

Not reading too much into these. I'm of the firm belief that Brady is a better option for us than Grosicki. Time will tell regarding Narsingh

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:20 pm

Also upto and includin the 12th March fixtures, there are genuinely 8/9 six pointers where the bottom 8 teams face each other. Some of them are bound to win which will either cut a couple adrift or drag a few more sides into it.

IMO we were safe if we beat Leicester, however a couple of freak results means I think 4 more should do it, and if that can be done in the next 3 matches, we can have a real go at the FA cup.

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:25 pm

claretdom wrote:No they have both been brilliant all month and helped them win every game they have started.

Have you EVER posted a topic yourself? From a quick browse of February, appears not. I could, of course, be wrong! It does appear though that you merely wait around for other people to have `thoughts` or `queries` and then as a result of your possible inadequacies, one-dimensionally argue or attempt to pick holes in their opinions/ideas.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:28 pm

No team with a 9 point gap with 14 matches to go has gone down, so we would be the first!

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:30 pm

If you are this fragile perhaps it is better you don't start posts, especially if they are daft.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:34 pm

MACCA wrote:Spice - Swansea and Hull both have new managers aswell as several new players each, which usually see's teams have an upturn in results/preformances.
It's not beyond possibility that Swansea could get 6 points from the next 3 matches whilst Hull will be looking at 3/4. Sadly if that happens that could well mean we have got 0 from the next 3, which will certainly drag in a few more teams in and tighten the pack.

Obviously 3/4 points from our next 3 sees us safe, but it might just get a bit more twitchy at 17:00 after the Swansea game should our away for follow trend.

Like I say. You usually see a new manager bounce. Both teams have had that, although in Hull's case this has yielded a single win so far. How long it lasts is the big question. Usually, it is 4-5 games before things begin to settle back down.

There are 6 teams in real trouble and apart from Sunderland v Palace, I'm not sure any of them have played each other yet. They can't both win those games for a starters. And they aren't likely to pick up too many points from their games against the top few.

So if Swansea get safe, someone else from that bottom 6 is sliding. Realistically, all historic precedent still says 34-35 points is probably enough this season. I think we'll get more than that, but that is all we need, for all that supporters would clearly get twitchy if we were to just scrape home.

Just because we might all start twitching, doesn't mean we'd be genuinely in trouble.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:37 pm

Hull have two wins under their new manager.

mkmel · Post by **mkmel** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:38 pm

One club that rarely get mentioned as relegation candidates are Middlesbrough.
And I for one hope they do get relegated as nothing against the club but just can't stand their dick of a manager.

Wouldn't surprise me if it was Middlesbrough,Bournemouth and a. n. other who got relegated

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:39 pm

HiroshimaClaret wrote:Have you EVER posted a topic yourself? From a quick browse of February, appears not. I could, of course, be wrong! It does appear though that you merely wait around for other people to have `thoughts` or `queries` and then as a result of your possible inadequacies, one-dimensionally argue or attempt to pick holes in their opinions/ideas.

Some people are morons. Quick to abuse people who may not share their views, often Trying to belittle or name call people for a couple of quick laughs and likes...

Happens all the time with certain posters, Foe them as 99% of time their opinion isn't worth reading or responding to.

Don't let them get to you, they pry on the weak hoping to cover up their own insecurities.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:40 pm

Bless

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:46 pm

claretspice wrote:Like I say. You usually see a new manager bounce. Both teams have had that, although in Hull's case this has yielded a single win so far. How long it lasts is the big question. Usually, it is 4-5 games before things begin to settle back down.

There are 6 teams in real trouble and apart from Sunderland v Palace, I'm not sure any of them have played each other yet. They can't both win those games for a starters. And they aren't likely to pick up too many points from their games against the top few.

So if Swansea get safe, someone else from that bottom 6 is sliding. Realistically, all historic precedent still says 34-35 points is probably enough this season. I think we'll get more than that, but that is all we need, for all that supporters would clearly get twitchy if we were to just scrape home.

Just because we might all start twitching, doesn't mean we'd be genuinely in trouble.

Yes I see Swansea as the ones who are possibly going to pull clear. They play both us and Leicester in the next 3 games 6 points and they will fancy their chances.

I can also see Hull putting up a fight too, Leicester may not be sitting to comfy after this weekend and may pull the trigger on the Tinker man, they are well in the thick of it. They haven't scored in the league yet this year..

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:50 pm

Palace are an interesting one. After their win away at Bournemouth everyone thought Big Sam had steadied the ship somewhat.

Will be interesting to see if he can get them to overcome their defensive frailties as they have got good attacking outlets.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:58 pm

MACCA wrote:Yes I see Swansea as the ones who are possibly going to pull clear. They play both us and Leicester in the next 3 games 6 points and they will fancy their chances.

I can also see Hull putting up a fight too, Leicester may not be sitting to comfy after this weekend and may pull the trigger on the Tinker man, they are well in the thick of it. They haven't scored in the league yet this year..

Wonder if Boro will follow and get rid of Karanka?

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:12 pm

Spijed wrote:Wonder if Boro will follow and get rid of Karanka?

After Everton at home this weekend think they play Palace & Sunderland back to back or something similar. Big few games for karanka.

Could well be potted if they can't find a win out of those!

k90bfc · Post by **k90bfc** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:50 pm

Neither of them any good for our dressing room,glad we did not bother with any of them,no better than we have already got,bye bye!