Table with 13 games to go

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:34 pm

I don't think many of us would have predicted this when the season started

http://www.uptheclarets.com/league-tabl ... ble-201617

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:42 pm

Just noticed that the first positive goal difference is at eighth position, West Brom, and even then it's only 3.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:47 pm

The top five have just got ridiculous goal differences - and our goal difference against them in total is just minus 6 and three of those were at Chelsea.

mybloodisclaret · Post by **mybloodisclaret** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:30 am

Just need to keep it going. Just over a point per game will see us finish comfortably away from the scramble!!!

RammyClaret61 · Post by **RammyClaret61** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:13 am

A minimum of 3 pts from the games at Hull, Swansea & Sunderland. 3 draws would be far better than one win and two losses. In saying that, 3 wins would be marvellous. UTC.

davemanu2000 · Post by **davemanu2000** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:15 am

we are moving in the right direction .An upward mouvement and be among the 10 best clubs in the PL .

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:00 am

The overall season trend would see us on 45 points, and Hull on 31. I think we might finish around 42 points and 3rd bottom around 34. There's always one who picks up a bit of form.

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:03 am

Why do we not see league tables with home and away results separate anymore?

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:35 am

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:55 am

Remember this website? The 'predicted' final table puts us 9th

http://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/premi ... /predicted

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:32 am

Falcon wrote:Remember this website? The 'predicted' final table puts us 9th

http://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/premi ... /predicted

Not very scientific though, it has us losing every away game and winning every home game !

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:47 am

I think most of us though that finishing 17th was something we'd be happy with. For me it still is but staying 3-6 places above that would ease the heart-rate over the last couple of rounds of matches.
From the last 6 games' form shown in colours in Claretforever's table, Leicester, Bournemouth and (slightly less) Boro all seem in danger from a surge by one or two of the current bottom 3. One point from 6 games for Foxes, two points from 6 games for Cherries.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:54 am

If we finished 12th as opposed to 17th we could have an extra 6m in the transfer kitty for next year.

To put into context it's more than we bring in with ST sales.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:10 am

1 more win and we're home, given the inevitable draw or two we will pick up

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:16 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:If we finished 12th as opposed to 17th we could have an extra 6m in the transfer kitty for next year.

To put into context it's more than we bring in with ST sales.

£2M per place, would be an extra £10M, we could finish as high as ninth, an extra £6M on top !

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:18 am

QtT - agreed. The "league position" payout is £2 million per place I think (£2 bottom, going up to £40 million top), As you say, a relatively huge amount v gate receipts (though only part of overall TV monies pot)- so well worth scrapping for every extra place.
I presume the players will be getting a slice of each "extra" £2 million via their bonus packages.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:21 am

The bonus system has worked brilliant at Burnley recently (I don't know how long we have had it) so let them fill their boots.

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:45 am

This one gives us a 0.5% chance of being relegated!...

http://www.sportsclubstats.com/England/Premier.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:35 pm

claretandy wrote:Not very scientific though, it has us losing every away game and winning every home game !

So... just about right then?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:38 pm

Hipper wrote:Why do we not see league tables with home and away results separate anymore?

I could change the table if people would prefer it like that

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:10 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I could change the table if people would prefer it like that

Would be good if we could see Home/Away stats, CT.

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:14 pm

"The bonus system has worked brilliant at Burnley recently (I don't know how long we have had it) so let them fill their boots."

Well there have certainly been substantial bonuses paid on each of our three promotions to the Premier League. Players and staff are handsomely rewarded for success and the whole wage structure appears to be very much incentive driven giving us perhaps an insight as to how were able to attract the likes of Robbie Brady who was likely to have been earning a higher basic salary at Norwich.

After promotion in '08/'09 promotion bonuses were in excess of £4m and that figure increased to almost £8m in '13/'14. We are still to learn the extent of the bonuses paid as a result of the '15/'16 promotion but they are unlikely to be less than £10m.

As for our current league position it's remarkable to see us in 12th position and no doubt there will be significant bonuses again if we can maintain our PL status for another season.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:44 pm

We probably have to pay "substantial bonuses" as you put it as every club in this division has a wage bill at least double ours. That was the claim earlier this season. Perhaps performance related bonuses work better than just paying stupid money regardless like a lot of other clubs.

Il Duce · Post by **Il Duce** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:45 pm

Buxtonclaret wrote:Would be good if we could see Home/Away stats, CT.

Not too sure many fans will want reminding of our away stats

minnieclaret · Post by **minnieclaret** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:50 pm

We've not been badly treated by tv but the higher the finish the better chance of being on even more next year.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:58 pm

A nice feeling to see that table and as a nostalgic I hope it is not too far away from being a table where we can then go all out to try to win the FA Cup. After all, beat Lincoln, get a home draw and we can go all the way without having to play away, so we must have a fair chance.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:01 pm

"....paying stupid money regardless like a lot of other clubs."

Or even worse, paying stupid money regardless (wage wise) even if you get relegated.

Rather like those dummies down the motorway.

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:18 pm

Il Duce wrote:Not too sure many fans will want reminding of our away stats

They'll be getting better soon enough.

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:29 pm

"We probably have to pay "substantial bonuses" as you put it as every club in this division has a wage bill at least double ours. That was the claim earlier this season. Perhaps performance related bonuses work better than just paying stupid money regardless like a lot of other clubs."

Absolutely.......and if there is a blueprint for the ideal policy regarding wages then Burnley are the club to copy.

It's extraordinary to think we can not only compete with other clubs paying at least twice that of Burnley but we have the potential of finishing the season ahead of at least seven or eight. Next season, if things go according to plan, another small step in terms of an increase in basic salaries coupled with incentive bonuses and we continue to run the club in a way that should be the envy of all others.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:15 pm

Royboy, with regards to league placings and prize money/income how will it be taxed?

Is the PL money classed as normal income?

And if we finish higher up in the league (£2 million for each additional place) is that also normal income or is it prize money?

Can we offset any of it to reduce our tax bill?

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:24 pm

It'll all be taxable income.

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:32 pm

Spijed, probably the best comparison is to look at the last set of accounts to Jun'15.

Turnover/Total Income was £79.4m of which some £65m was TV money including all prize money for placings etc. Based on that we made on operating profit of just over £35m on which the tax charge was £4.5m reducing the net profit to £30m.

The next set of accounts to Jun'16 will likely show close to a break-even situation so no concerns as regards the tax calculation but the year we are currently in will be completely different again. Income will reach the astronomical figure for us exceeding £130m if we were to finish 10th. Based on that, and a slowly increasing wage bill, a gross profit of some £55m/£60m should be achievable. Then we'd face a tax bill of say £10m leaving a net profit of £45m/£50m.

Hope this helps.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:32 pm

Falcon wrote:Remember this website? The 'predicted' final table puts us 9th

http://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/premi ... /predicted

That website basically predicts home wins. According to the results, none of the 14 teams outside the top 6 will win a single away game for the rest of the season.

Though I note that the 8 teams below us have an average of less than 2 away wins apiece. Our zero wins sounds abysmal, but isn't all that far behind our relegation 'rivals'.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:32 pm

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I would prefer that.

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