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Our first choice midfield?

Post by Im_not_Robbie_Blake » Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:27 am

Boyd, Hendrick, Westwood, Barton, Arfield, Gudmundsson, Marney, Brady, Defour, Tarkowski (as his second position). A tremendous squad of midfield players. You could play ANY of the 4 (or 5) in our first team and it would be superb.

Is it possible to select a 'first choice' (4 or 5) for our strongest team? It's really difficult, which is great news, and .... Dyche has to find a way of keeping them all happy!

Maybe a different 4 (or 5) home and away? Maybe different depending on who we play?

My answer? I couldn't choose at the moment (yes, big cop-out!) Just leave it to the great man to do his job.
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Re: Our first choice midfield?

Post by Im_not_Robbie_Blake » Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:29 am

Maybe also try with or without Marney?
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Re: Our first choice midfield?

Post by claretspice » Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:32 am

Brady, Barton Hendrick and Boyd for me.

But the choice between Barton, Westwood and Defour for the second central berth is incredibly tough.

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Re: Our first choice midfield?

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:36 am

Im_not_Robbie_Blake wrote:Oops, delete the 's' from Jeff's surname!
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Re: Our first choice midfield?

Post by Sidney1st » Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:38 am

Brady, Hendrick, Barton, Defour, Gudmundsson.

For occasions when a 5 man midfield is needed, that would hopefully scare the crap out of some people at TM.

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Re: Our first choice midfield?

Post by boiledclaret » Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:07 pm

Midfielders get knocks and carded so you need a few of them. On Sunday the midfield picked itself with 2 injured and one suspended prior to the game.

Two years ago we went into the season with two CM ers and ended up with one who was accompanied by the unavoidable 'needs must makeshift' scenario.

It's seems ludicrous in comparison to now.

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Re: Our first choice midfield?

Post by Right_winger » Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:43 pm

On ability I'd rate them in order as follows
Defour
Brady
Barton
JBG
Hendrick
Boyd
Arfield
Westwood
Tarkowski

As a 4 I'd like to see Brady, Defour, Barton/Hendrick, JBG

Tough on Hendrick but Barton the last couple of Games looks the complete midfielder and I think he works well with Defour from what Iv seen. JBG has a super dead ball delivery and crossing, plus he is more of a handful going forward than Boyd/Arfield.

Dyche won't play that though as he likes defence first which means Boyd will always play and he will partner Hendrick up with Barton.

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Re: Our first choice midfield?

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:59 pm

I like 442 and it works for us. But we could pose more of a threat with JBG And Brady but would go with a 5 with Hendrick off Gray or Barnes. Barton and Defour sitting. That said Westwood has more energy than Defour and probably Barton. Its tough but its a great conundrum to have.

I hope im wrong but expect Defour will leave.

Its the position that sees most injuries and suspension so we need the numbers we have now.

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Re: Our first choice midfield?

Post by claretspice » Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:07 pm

I tend to agree that 4-4-2 suits the psyche of the players we have, and I'm not sure we're ever going to be able to afford the sort of striker who is both capable of stretching a defence, and holding the ball up with his back to goal, that you need to make 4-5-1 work as a first choice option.

It will be interesting to see what we do in midfield next season, and much might depend on the extent of Barton's ban. Westwood, Barton and Defour are all slightly different, but they are all relatively similar players and I'm not sure that in an ideal squad you'd have the 3 of them - perhaps 2 of the three. Westwood has been signed for the long haul, so I suspect much might depend on what happens with Barton: on current form he's worth an extra year, but presumably much depends on his betting punishment. If he doesn't get a long ban, I suspect Defour's future will be up for debate, to make a vacancy for us to recruit a more athletic, physical midfielder to compete with Hendrick for his place and replace Marney.

Out wide, one assumes Boyd will get offered an extra year and I can't see us shipping out any of the other 3 wide options, so it may be that we're looking for a pacey, wildcard option who can develop from the bench and possibly offer us something different if we do go 4-5-1.

But we're stronger in that department than we've ever been before and we've a vast more depth than I can remember us having in that area before.

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Re: Our first choice midfield?

Post by Blackrod » Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:05 pm

We need to retain some flair ie Defour and in a 5 he is outstanding. We need to retain all
Midfielders as don't know how long Barton will be out for and just sign a new additional striker in summer who can play in a 4 -5-1.

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Re: Our first choice midfield?

Post by claretandy » Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:11 pm

claretspice wrote:I tend to agree that 4-4-2 suits the psyche of the players we have, and I'm not sure we're ever going to be able to afford the sort of striker who is both capable of stretching a defence, and holding the ball up with his back to goal, that you need to make 4-5-1 work as a first choice option.

It will be interesting to see what we do in midfield next season, and much might depend on the extent of Barton's ban. Westwood, Barton and Defour are all slightly different, but they are all relatively similar players and I'm not sure that in an ideal squad you'd have the 3 of them - perhaps 2 of the three. Westwood has been signed for the long haul, so I suspect much might depend on what happens with Barton: on current form he's worth an extra year, but presumably much depends on his betting punishment. If he doesn't get a long ban, I suspect Defour's future will be up for debate, to make a vacancy for us to recruit a more athletic, physical midfielder to compete with Hendrick for his place and replace Marney.

Out wide, one assumes Boyd will get offered an extra year and I can't see us shipping out any of the other 3 wide options, so it may be that we're looking for a pacey, wildcard option who can develop from the bench and possibly offer us something different if we do go 4-5-1.

But we're stronger in that department than we've ever been before and we've a vast more depth than I can remember us having in that area before.
We could do with 1 like Rondon at WBA, absolutely beasted us at the Hawthorns and only cost the same as Brady.

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Re: Our first choice midfield?

Post by IWOODLOVETT » Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:16 pm

I think at some stage Brady will be played up front - as an alternative strike pairing with Sam. Maybe this weekend?

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Re: Our first choice midfield?

Post by claretspice » Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:20 pm

claretandy wrote:We could do with 1 like Rondon at WBA, absolutely beasted us at the Hawthorns and only cost the same as Brady.
They aren't easily found though, certainly not within our wage budget (which may be the difference between what Brady and Rondon cost).

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Re: Our first choice midfield?

Post by Holtyclaret » Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:20 pm

Rating JBG ahead of Hendrick is baffling unless I've missed something.

JBG (who I rate and like) will hopefully grow into Premier League life but Hendrick is already up to speed, learning fast and getting better with every game. (except the brain fart at Watford).

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Re: Our first choice midfield?

Post by Holtyclaret » Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:21 pm

IWOODLOVETT wrote:I think at some stage Brady will be played up front - as an alternative strike pairing with Sam. Maybe this weekend?
Bradys cup-tied.

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Re: Our first choice midfield?

Post by Holtyclaret » Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:22 pm

As an aside isn't Hendrick awaiting an assault court date or has that been dropped??

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Re: Our first choice midfield?

Post by Tall Paul » Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:42 pm

Holtyclaret wrote:As an aside isn't Hendrick awaiting an assault court date or has that been dropped??
It wasn't that bad a tackle.
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Re: Our first choice midfield?

Post by Firthy » Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:51 pm

I would like to see Hendrick, Barton, Defour and Brady. A good balance of workrate and skill there.

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Re: Our first choice midfield?

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:52 pm

If all fit then for me I'd go with Boyd - Hendrick - Barton - Brady

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Re: Our first choice midfield?

Post by andyh » Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:42 pm

Depends... on a good day against opposition we should beat it would be Hendrick, Barton, Defour and Brady

Against a Chelsea away it would be Boyd - Hendrick - Barton - Brady

JBG very unlucky in both line ups... not done a lot wrong in my eyes.

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Re: Our first choice midfield?

Post by ablueclaret » Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:11 pm

. Tarka
Barton Hendrick Defour. JBG.

or Barton
JBG Hendrick Defour Brady

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Re: Our first choice midfield?

Post by minnieclaret » Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:28 pm

Holtyclaret wrote:As an aside isn't Hendrick awaiting an assault court date or has that been dropped??
http://www.thejournal.ie/jeff-hendrick- ... 9-Mar2016/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Couldn't find the date but I believe it's June.
Only charged with violent disorder so unlikely to get time.
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Re: Our first choice midfield?

Post by Holtyclaret » Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:39 pm

Thanks minnie, hadn't heard anything in a while.

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Re: Our first choice midfield?

Post by DCWat » Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:39 pm

ablueclaret wrote:. Tarka
Barton Hendrick Defour. JBG.

or Barton
JBG Hendrick Defour Brady
Didn't you mean:

Tarka
Tarka Tarka Tarka Tarka

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Re: Our first choice midfield?

Post by DCWat » Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:43 pm

claretspice wrote:I tend to agree that 4-4-2 suits the psyche of the players we have, and I'm not sure we're ever going to be able to afford the sort of striker who is both capable of stretching a defence, and holding the ball up with his back to goal, that you need to make 4-5-1 work as a first choice option.

It will be interesting to see what we do in midfield next season, and much might depend on the extent of Barton's ban. Westwood, Barton and Defour are all slightly different, but they are all relatively similar players and I'm not sure that in an ideal squad you'd have the 3 of them - perhaps 2 of the three. Westwood has been signed for the long haul, so I suspect much might depend on what happens with Barton: on current form he's worth an extra year, but presumably much depends on his betting punishment. If he doesn't get a long ban, I suspect Defour's future will be up for debate, to make a vacancy for us to recruit a more athletic, physical midfielder to compete with Hendrick for his place and replace Marney.

Out wide, one assumes Boyd will get offered an extra year and I can't see us shipping out any of the other 3 wide options, so it may be that we're looking for a pacey, wildcard option who can develop from the bench and possibly offer us something different if we do go 4-5-1.

But we're stronger in that department than we've ever been before and we've a vast more depth than I can remember us having in that area before.
I get that Westwood and Barton are similar but wouldn't really put Defour into that category. It will definitely be interesting to see what the intention is with midfield though, we have the players for a successful midfield five but as you say, not really the forwards to complement it, unless perhaps we adopt more of a 3-5-2 which might work with Brady but would require a similar player for the other side.

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Re: Our first choice midfield?

Post by Colburn_Claret » Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:54 pm

ablueclaret wrote:. Tarka
Barton Hendrick Defour. JBG.

or Barton
JBG Hendrick Defour Brady
I've been wanting Tarks to play in front of the back 4 for ages, but Barton would be a good shout to fill that position. He has the bonus of reading the game so well.
It would free up the players in front who would be
Brady Defour JBG for me. We need some creativity up there and Boyd as much as I love the guy, and his effort, just doesn't create enough chances for me.

I'd still play 2 up top.

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Re: Our first choice midfield?

Post by KRBFC » Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:59 pm

Gudmundsson Defour Barton Brady
Hendrick

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