The journey...the progress...the changing feel around Turf Moor

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Post by jdrobbo » Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:04 pm

I have always been proud to be a Burnley fan and the fans of my generation (the last quarter of a century) have had a lot to be proud of...Promotion from the basement division in May 92, a further promotion in 94 and again in 2000...nine seasons as a solid Championship Club and then two automatic promotions to the Premier League in a three year period (one of which was a Championship winning campaign). Not to mention, the turnover in playing staff and the ever increasing quality that seems to be coming through the Turf Moor doors..... Anyone fancy trading a Mark McGregor for a Ben Mee? An Ian Helliwell for a Sam Vokes? Or how about a Mark Ford for a Joey Barton? Then we have everything going on behind the scenes at Turf Moor...I've walked across those boggy training pitches at Gawthorpe...indeed I was even 'lucky' enough to get a few games on them as a youngster. The work that has taken place down there looks incredible and again, it's just another step on the journey, the Sean Dyche legacy. Nothing though, has made me more proud to be a Burnley fan, than this season and the incredible way in which our team has gone about matching many of the Premier League's so called 'Big Boys'.

Around Turf Moor at the moment, the first phase of the Player Boards have gone up and it's fantastic to see everyone showing such interest in them - kids asking their parents about all the old players, no doubt wondering if any of them were as good as our current players! These player boards are just the latest thing contributing to the special feel around the ground and I can't wait to see Phase Two. On Saturday, as the rain poured, I stood outside the Park View pub for an hour before the game. In that time, Willie Irvine approached CT and stood with the two of us for 20-30 minutes telling us stories about his best mate, Jimmy Mac and his partner in crime, Andy Lochead. It's the fact that he was happy to stand with us and just be one of us - He loves the club just like every other fan. Still, it was a very surreal moment!

I was told on Saturday that I've been sat in my current season ticket spot for nearly eleven seasons now. I'm definitely one of the younger members of the crop that gather in that particular area of the Longside Upper and fortunately, there hasn't been too much change in my time there, although we do remember Andy fondly, who sadly passed away in the 2013/2014 season and the others around me often talk about Brian (I took his place eleven seasons ago) who also left the Claret family. Everyone up there has their favourites and in the past, everyone has had a scapegoat, but this season seems a lot different. Everyone seems to be on the same page: they can see why Dyche has brought in certain types of players and they can see the job they're trying to achieve within the team. Turf Moor seems to be a very happy place! Indeed, on the messageboard just recently, a thread was started about just how much less bickering there has been of late - everyone around the town in general, seems to be very satisfied with the work they're seeing carried out infront of them. It really is a pleasure to go to home games each week, knowing exactly what you're going to get from your side. Compare that with the 'Throw one in' season of 2003/2004, where one week we outplayed Spurs in the League Cup, but then we'd lose 6-5 at Grimsby, 7-4 to Watford etc. This Burnley side is consistent and knowing what we're going to get doesn't half help the whole club come together.

One of the members of my party last Sunday (the site editor), dared to mention, that we're starting to look like a settled mid-table Premier League team. To say that there were still twenty minutes to play against Chelsea at the time, the runaway league leaders, was a very brave thing to say, yet it was very hard to disagree with the sentiment. We're solid at home and we compete in all matches (even the ones we lose) - we're never too far away from the points. Away from home, we're improving and I'm absolutely convinced that we'll find the magic formula at some point soon, to break the away-day duck once and for all.

I am confident that we'll stay up and I apologise to everyone in advance, if you're one of these people that think people curse things, when they're going well. I'm confident because of the way we're collecting points - we're doing it on merit. This is where the 'progress' part of the subject heading comes in...flashback to 2009...great wins against Manchester United and Everton at the start of the season. In both of those games, we gladly accepted six points, but if you were to take you Claret-tinted specs off for just a few moments and reflect....against United, we created very little indeed and were thankful to a great debut from Andre Bikey and a super penalty save from Brian Jensen to deny United. They were more than worthy of something from the game and they played poorly by their standards too! Onto the Everton game...we started well and Chris McCann had an excellent game, but again, Everton dominated and another penalty was missed. We didn't really know what to expect and the cheer at the end of the game was indicative of the fact that we'd been hanging on for dear life in the second half. After another crack at the big time in 2014-15, Dyche seems to have well and truly got to grips with the top division. Whilst I'm sure he'd admit there is plenty still to learn, he now knows how to set up a side in each of the 38 league games to enable us to compete for points.

On the flip-side, I've turned up to games this season, to witness, quite literally, a tactical masterclass by the Burnley manager, executed perfectly by his fantastic squad of players. After the Liverpool game, Danny Murphy on MOTD commented on how brilliantly organised our defence was, that you could literally join the backline together with a piece of elastic, such was their togetherness, organisation and colelctive movement. This of course was the Opta record breaking game, where Burnley, having had just 19% possesssion, comfortably beat Liverpool 2-0. It was comfortable too - we allowed Liverpool to have the ball and allowed them to have long-range shots, which rarely bothered Heaton in goal. Move on a couple of months to last Sunday and the performance against Chelsea...In the Sky studio, Wales manager, Chris Coleman, commented on just how fascinating the Burnley performance had been for him to watch and that defending with a back six was smart. When the Sky team ran the analysis to show Brady and Boyd tucking in to literally make a defensive line of six (which again could be joined with that magic elastic), it made me realise just how to a man, these Burnley players give it everything on the pitch. The players deserve immense credit, because and as Alan Smith responded, it's all well and good coming up with great tactics (Sean Dyche), but the players have to go and carry them out to the letter...and my goodness they did just that. Later in the day, Ruud Gullitt (again on MOTD) went into analysis on how Burnley had been able to exploit gaps in behind with quicker balls over the top - It was refreshing to hear and not once did he imply that we were a long ball team. I don't think Dyche would care anyway - as for all, he said after the game, that he tries to find different ways of winning football matches - sometimes it won't be pretty, but it'll get the job done!

Tony Pulis, the then manager of Stoke City, once alluded to the fact that you need to survive two seasons in this division (consecutively) to become established. I think that sounds about right, assuming you don't throw away your money on overpriced players and unnecessary huge stands (Wolves). We're in a fine position to survive this time, but that doesn't mean the next year is going to be any more easy. we'll have the extra finances, but for me, next year is about progressing with what we have and only adding top-quality in a few different places. Wholesale changes could spell disaster and I truly believe that that is not the Burnley way.

We're in a fantastic place right now: we've already achieved our 2009/2010 points haul and the sooner we get the next two wins (I'm sure that 36 points will be enough) the better. We've also got a great cup-tie at home to Lincoln City to look forward to on Saturday and I think a quarter-final place (or beyond), as well as Premier League survival, will well and truly make this a season to remember.

Thirteen games to go - Lets see where they take us!

We at least know what to expect from the team though, right? :-)


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Re: The journey...the progress...the changing feel around Turf Moor

Post by clansman » Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:01 pm

I agree with everything in that post and being more CT's age than yours robbo I remember earlier good times as well as the bad. The thing now is that we are at last looking like a truly professionally run club and Gawthorpe will be the crowning glory of that new approach.
I also get the feeling that there is a genuine belief hat Burnley can reach the FA cup final this year! Get your friends down there on Saturday!
As CT keeps saying in his reports, its a great time to be a claret!
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Post by jdrobbo » Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:37 pm

CT has been very positive for a good while now: he has to be to keep his more pessimistic brother calm :-)

I feel fortunate that I just missed out on the Orient game and thus, with the exception of three relegations (where we had been heavily tipped to go down on all occasions) and the ITV Digital collapse, it really has been a fabulous couples of decades of careful climbing. I think, ever so slowly, the media and the big pundits, are starting to wake up to the fact that Burnley are becoming the real model club in England.
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Post by NRC » Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:43 pm

bloody hell Robbo.... the thread title should have come with a "dissertation" warning. Homework - go back and reduce it to 140 characters
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Post by dpinsussex » Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:45 pm

Surely the tactucal masterclass is by the manager and that is executed by the team??

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Post by minnieclaret » Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:55 pm

100%. best piece on here for a long time, JD
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Post by jdrobbo » Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:59 pm

NRC - Possibly you're right, but i'll save the 140 characters for social media. When I started, I knew full well that some would choose not to read my ramblings: that has been the case for the last 13 years! :-) Plus, only took me a few minutes... audio type on iPhone is great!

dpinsussex - spot on - I will change that.

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Post by jdrobbo » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:00 pm

Cheers minnie.

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Post by Redbeard » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:24 pm

Great post, JDR.

Just one thing: I thought we battered Man U and Everton... ;) :D

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Post by NRC » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:24 pm

jossing with you Robbo - words are somehow central to my job, but typically my time is spent reducing them to limits to fit into templates, and even more with press releases or ghost-written blogs

I really do identify with folks who actually get a kick out of writing.....
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Post by jdrobbo » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:33 pm

Likewise, I teach ten and eleven year olds so finding the balance between sustained and succinct is something I have to do on a daily basis. I must say though, I prefer marking the succinct pieces :-)

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Post by Redbeard » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:34 pm

'Joshing', NRC. :D
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Post by Claret82 » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:36 pm

what is audio type and how do you get it

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Post by ClaretTony » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:55 pm

I can't believe jdrobbo has used his phone for that when even his short text messages are often guess work with his poor use of predictive texting.

His sentiment is spot on though. If you can't be positive about our club right now then I suspect you never will be.

The last two home performances for me have been special. I thought we were superb against Leicester and then turned in a special performance against Chelsea.

My glass is no longer half full, it's almost overflowing. I hate tempting fate but it is now surely just a matter of when we confirm our Premier League place for next season.

I saw Barry Kilby around a week after Sean Dyche's appointment and he asked if I'd met him. When I said no, he said: "He's your kind of manager Tony," and how right he was.

I've seen us at the top and the bottom and I can tell you I'm loving what's happening at our club just now.

Aplogies for any spelling errors, I'm on my phone.
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Post by Loyalclaret » Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:02 pm

You can tell it is half-term :roll:


Only joking- good review!

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Post by jdrobbo » Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:07 pm

Well said Tony… The difference is that I don't check any of my messages to you and the other one!

In all fairness, I had to edit quite a few of the player names.

Audio type is great… You just press the little microphone button next to the space bar and when you've finished rambling, you press 'done'

You can also say things like 'new line', 'explanation mark', 'comma' and 'smiley face' to keep things flowing.

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Post by jdrobbo » Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:08 pm

Haha... is it half term in Burnley? Half the places around Leeds and Bradford are taking next week off. Yes, I'm on half term!

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Post by gtclaret » Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:31 pm

I disagree with everything said.Due to the poor management of the board and SD.I will never be able to see a league game at the likes of Barnet and Maistone.We will never have the world class skills of Les Lewrence and Peter Devine (I think that was his name).That glorious afternoon at home to Hereford makes that show on Sunday look dire.Those sellout crowds sometimes reaching a massive 3000.That fabulous cup run at Telford.That's the extent of the damage done by SD.I will never forgive him

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Post by NRC » Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:35 pm

just out of interest do you have to say "full stop" or "period" - how phone companies deal with IVR across international markets is a thing of complexity but beauty. I had the fortune to meet the head of the neurolinguistics team at Berkeley a few months ago - now there's a university dept driving massive revenue for the university (and themselves)

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Post by jdrobbo » Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:54 pm

FULL STOP or DOT.

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Post by Hipper » Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:57 pm

Nicely written jd.

I get the impression that Dyche has found his feet in this league of late and the players have responded.

As a former manager might have said, but it now really applies, 'we can go toe to toe with all the teams in the Premier League'.

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Post by ashtonlongsider » Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:23 pm

Excellent article Jdrobbo. The only point I'd question is 36 points being enough. I feel the 18th placed team will get more than this. Forgive my cautiousness but I've watched the Clarets for a long time and I'll never take anything for granted.

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Post by ClaretTony » Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:31 pm

ashtonlongsider wrote:Excellent article Jdrobbo. The only point I'd question is 36 points being enough. I feel the 18th placed team will get more than this. Forgive my cautiousness but I've watched the Clarets for a long time and I'll never take anything for granted.
I'll be amazed if any of the bottom three finish with as many as 36 points but just in case they do we will ensure we get more than that.
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Post by KeighleyClaret » Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:36 pm

I'm nearer CT's age than yours, John, but would completely echo what you are saying. It is if anything even more special having endured the dire years between 1976 and the Orient game in 1987. When I was at School, Burnley had been a top league side since 1946 and had achieved everything apart from a League Cup win. I got to see the second European season and had celebrated my 21st birthday before the team of the 70's finally dropped out.

The next 15 years were dire though.

Since promotion from Div 4 there have been incremental gains, along with a considerable number of paces backwards. We have had 3 seasons at the top again (which I never thought I would see). But the progress over the last 2 seasons in particular has been an order of magnitude greater than all the previous improvements; we are now looking like a side that belongs in the top division, for the first time since the 1970's.

I agree that words do not jinx teams and expect us to survive this season; we also need to deal with the loss of some top players in the summer. However I trust SD and the management team will sort this and even move us up another notch next season.

Its hardly believable is it? The glass is really more than overflowing, its so good to come out of Turf Moor with a sense of unbelievable pride in the club and it has happened so often over the past 2 seasons.

I reckon 33 points might be enough but expect us to finish with at least 10 more than that. And I'm a pessimist!
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Post by jdrobbo » Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:53 pm

Great post Keighley.

Still, as part of a Burnley fan's education, I am slightly sorry that I was only four when we played Orient and thus, missed the game. I think it would've been an educational experience.

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Post by ClaretTony » Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:08 pm

jdrobbo wrote:Great post Keighley.

Still, as part of a Burnley fan's education, I am slightly sorry that I was only four when we played Orient and thus, missed the game. I think it would've been an educational experience.
I don't know about educational experience but from the defeat at Crewe on the Monday previous it was nothing short of horrendous. I hope that no one with a interest in our club ever has to go through anything like that again.

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Post by NRC » Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:38 pm

I was there, and i don't...... and as it turns out, I won't

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Post by JohnMac » Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:48 pm

Good post John.
The feel good factor is gaining momentum even amongst the most cautious of fans.

The whole package is incredible and it is obvious who the driving force is behind it all, ably supported by a brilliant Board of Directors.

Exciting times indeed!

Up the Clarets!

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Post by Pieater2 » Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:54 pm

Seans goal for next season will be top 6, then top 4
Keep the ball rolling, we can do it. With sean at the helm.

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Post by Buxtonclaret » Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:13 pm

Good post, JD. 8-)

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Post by Claretnick » Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:26 pm

That was a good read, thank you.

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Post by Claretmatt4 » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:18 pm

Great post JD

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Post by mdd2 » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:19 pm

jdrobbo wrote:Great post Keighley.

Still, as part of a Burnley fan's education, I am slightly sorry that I was only four when we played Orient and thus, missed the game. I think it would've been an educational experience.
Well JD I was at the Orient game and have a video of the game if you want to watch it and really see the journey we have taken.

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Post by holycustard » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:43 pm

Great post JD. :D

Aplogies for any spelling errors, I'm on my phone. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by jdrobbo » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:47 pm

Bloody hell, it's Custard!

Hope you're well sir :)

Less of the lip by the way :)

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Post by Bin Ont Turf » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:50 pm

jdrobbo wrote:Great post Keighley.

Still, as part of a Burnley fan's education, I am slightly sorry that I was only four when we played Orient and thus, missed the game. I think it would've been an educational experience.
I don't think it was an educational experience to have witnessed it.

The only thing anyone learns from such an event, is that it isn't the end of the world when you get beat 4-0 in the Premier League away to West Brom.
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Post by jdrobbo » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:52 pm

So in that case, maybe some of the later generations need to 'feel it' to 'get it'?

I know for a fact that the Plymouth survival game, helped me to appreciate what we had a great deal more.

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Post by Bin Ont Turf » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:57 pm

jdrobbo wrote:So on that case, maybe some of the later generations need to 'feel' it to 'get it'?

I hope that no later or future generations ever 'feel' it to 'get' it.

I don't think that I can go through that sh1te again.

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Post by jollyjack » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:24 pm

Agree about the Plymouth game JD. Stan turned it round slowly and took us up then we slowly cemented ourselves in the Championship as is. 90s and 00s are decades to look back on as somehow necessary to prequel the last 4-5 years and the last 2 seasons in particular. Remember the first message boards and discussions at matches back then when most people dreamed of being an established tier 2 side, well we got that and a lot more since! If it all goes belly up in a few years I'll be there against Walsall, Port Vale, Cambridge etc but this is such a different Club from back then its hard to envisage now.
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Post by DCWat » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:30 pm

Great post, John.

I do object to the use of the phrase "the journey" though.

It's been besmirched by 17 year old X Factor contestants!

:)

There have been times where going to watch Burnley has been more of an unwritten obligation and not always as much fun as we would all like it to be! Hell, if her indoors put us through so many downs, the divorce courts would be inundated!

But football and Burnley (or whichever club a fan follows) is a bond that for most will probably never break, no matter what they do to hurt us.

Right now though being a Burnley fan is like pulling a couple of bi curious super models and winning the lottery! Well maybe not quite that good, but it's still bloody great!
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Re: The journey...the progress...the changing feel around Turf Moor

Post by Craigyp01 » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:36 pm

TLDR ;) :x

Great post!
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Re: The journey...the progress...the changing feel around Turf Moor

Post by jdrobbo » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:51 pm

Right you are DC

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Re: The journey...the progress...the changing feel around Turf Moor

Post by mkmel » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:52 pm

jdrobbo wrote:Great post Keighley.

Still, as part of a Burnley fan's education, I am slightly sorry that I was only four when we played Orient and thus, missed the game. I think it would've been an educational experience.
I too was there but would never want to go through that again

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Re: The journey...the progress...the changing feel around Turf Moor

Post by Clarets4me » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:57 pm

Right now though being a Burnley fan is like pulling a couple of bi curious super models and winning the lottery! Well maybe not quite that good, but it's still bloody great!
:)
Now, that made me laugh... especially when our friends from Deadwood must be feeling like they've gone home alone from Romeo & Juliets, missing out on even the " Ten to Two-ers ", on the same day their 66/1 shot fell at the last, when leading by 20 lengths in the National !! :lol: :lol:

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Re: The journey...the progress...the changing feel around Turf Moor

Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:06 pm

superb JD

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Re: The journey...the progress...the changing feel around Turf Moor

Post by MDWat » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:16 pm

Sums it up better than I ever could!

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Re: The journey...the progress...the changing feel around Turf Moor

Post by ablueclaret » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:45 pm

You only have to lose two or three players to be in a different place, where we have been extremely fortunate/ sensible is in holding on to players and keeping injuries to a minimum, we are a better balanced squad now, still lacking a little flair but with a well oiled system and a big heart. As to whether it will be enough next year, or whether SD will still be here who knows but the side has done themselves proud and as long as the defence stays firm and the side doesn't relax thinking the mission is already accomplished they should end the season on a high,and deservedly so.

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Re: The journey...the progress...the changing feel around Turf Moor

Post by jdrobbo » Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:04 pm

That is true, but let us not forget the inner-strength and mentality of the squad.

Against Chelsea we were without Marney, Hendrick and Defour. On top of that, JBG didn't get a kick... that was a first choice midfield a few weeks ago. Whoever plays, does a job.

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Re: The journey...the progress...the changing feel around Turf Moor

Post by Clevedon Claret » Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:40 pm

Excellent thread, enjoyed reading the opening post especially, cheers jdrobbo.

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Re: The journey...the progress...the changing feel around Turf Moor

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:11 am

God, I thought we were doing well then, never mind now!
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