Do you accept we will be relegated?

J50 · Post by **J50** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:10 am

So do you accept that at some point we will be relegated? If not this season (looking unlikely fingers crossed etc.) but maybe next season or the one after but certainly in the next few years...

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:11 am

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:12 am

Nice positive thread
Do you accept at some point everyone dies

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:13 am

I accept that as long as we are in this league we will be one of the smaller clubs

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:15 am

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:17 am

I accept that every season we stay in the division that our first target will be 40 points.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:18 am

Not if we are good enough to stop up year on year.

For example, there will be teams of the like of Brighton and Huddersfield
coming up, so if we build and buy properly close season, we have a seasons start on them,
So there's no reason why we can't finish above at least three teams.

Providing we prepare.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:20 am

ElectroClaret wrote:Not if we are good enough to stop up year on year.

For example, there will be teams of the like of Brighton and Huddersfield
coming up, so if we build and buy properly close season, we have a seasons start on them,
So there's no reason why we can't finish above at least three teams.

Providing we prepare.

Don't think he meant next season Electro,I think he meant ...ever!

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:26 am

Steve1956 wrote:Don't think he meant next season Electro,I think he meant ...ever!

So did I.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:29 am

But any club could be relegated at some point. Even Chelsea, Man City et al may go down in the next 40 years. I think we're going in the right direction. We seem to be doing better than 2 years ago and have therefore moved forward. I think it all comes down to whether we stay up this season. If we can stay up, I reckon we'll stay up for a while.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:30 am

ElectroClaret wrote:So did I.

So you think we will never ever get relegated again...ever...cosmic.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:33 am

That's not what I said.

As Factual Frank says, any club can be relegated, so it's a daft question.
But there's no reason we should automatically accept it, because as I set out in my first post,
if we prepare properly, we can do as well as anyone in our position.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:40 am

I quite like yo-yoing,it gets tiresome only winning about eleven or twelve games a season,and I still think the Championship is far better than the Premier league,so yes we will be relegated again in the short term,but we will be back after a 100 points gained season in the Championship,with about thirty victories to boot.Happy days...Yo-Yoing did West Brom no harm at all.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:06 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I accept that every season we stay in the division that our first target will be 40 points.

Agree, Lancs.

Every season is a new competition. It's great to be in the Premier League - we need to work hard on being competitive.

No team has a "God given right" to be in the Premier League. The clubs with the greatest resources have the best chances to remain at the top - but both ManU and City have been relegated to division 2 in (my) living memory.

Who knows what will happen in future. Perhaps the league will change, perhaps a super-league will split off, perhaps money will be distributed more evenly, perhaps football on TV will become less popular so less money or perhaps China will become the new football super power and all the top players will move there.

Whatever, let's enjoy while we are in the Prem - and continue to enjoy if in future years we aren't.

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J50 · Post by **J50** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:18 pm

Steve1956 wrote:I quite like yo-yoing,it gets tiresome only winning about eleven or twelve games a season,and I still think the Championship is far better than the Premier league,so yes we will be relegated again in the short term,but we will be back after a 100 points gained season in the Championship,with about thirty victories to boot.Happy days...Yo-Yoing did West Brom no harm at all.

Yeah spot on.

I think the main aim, as one of the 'smaller clubs', will be survival but the main excitement will come from the potential to have better Cup runs, make it to semis and finals etc. (and win one!). Keep accumulating for the future, better players etc. But always one of the smaller clubs and always going to have a bad run at some point and be in the bottom 3 (within say 5 years).

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:21 pm

No. I refuse to accept that the future will occur.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:28 pm

Most clubs that face or get relegated, put themselves in that position by poor management, whether that's choice of manager or overpaying for players and wages. If they don't hit the ground running then the fear factor sets in. So the roller coaster begins. Change manager, change players, if possible, create more debt, create more fear.

I honestly believe the first year is the hardest. We will still be in a relegation battle next season, naive not to believe that, but as stated we will be far better prepared than many of our rivals.
The common sense and faith shown by our board means we could well be on our way to a long stint in the prem, even come the sad day when SD eventually moves on to pastures new.

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bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:37 pm

The clubs flirting with the drop show quite clearly that you start anew each season. Other than Boro and Hull they have each spent many consecutive seasons with reasonable successes to look back on. But history counts for nowt and two or three bad managerial appointments have left them struggling. Even the top clubs have found it difficult to recover from poor managers. United, Liverpool, Everton and Chelsea have all spent time not challenging for the title their spending is aimed at.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:50 pm

Probably will be eventually....but might not be.

When we were in the 4th division going to the likes of Darlington and Hartlepool then the likelihood of us being in the premier league and earning £100m for one season were probably pretty slim in any sane fans mind.

It was not that long ago we were trying to raise £500k to avoid going into administration - in the last few weeks we picked up this "pocket money" for the simple fact that a couple of our players played in the Euros !!

So in terms of likelihood I`d say where we have come from in the last few decades to where we are now is less likely than staying in the premier league for the next many years. No reason why we should not end up a stable mid table club like Stoke - as clubs we have many similarities in terms of fan base, history, ownership etc.

Either way its not something that we should worry about - we should just enjoy it whilst we can.

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:52 pm

J50 wrote:So do you accept that at some point we will be relegated? If not this season (looking unlikely fingers crossed etc.) but maybe next season or the one after but certainly in the next few years...

You will also get old, bits will droop, and you will start to find it hard to remember day to day things. Until then, enjoy the present!

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:59 pm

Yes - so enjoy it while it lasts!

Belial · Post by **Belial** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 1:04 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I accept that as long as we are in this league we will be one of the smaller clubs

I accept that too as long as we aren't one of the smaller clubs that go down again and struggle for years like Leeds

Ightenclaret · Post by **Ightenclaret** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 1:04 pm

J50 · Post by **J50** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 1:05 pm

LoveCurryPies wrote:You will also get old, bits will droop, and you will start to find it hard to remember day to day things. Until then, enjoy the present!

What day is it?

Ightenclaret · Post by **Ightenclaret** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 1:09 pm

J50 wrote:What day is it?

It's not April 1st, so you could leave off the pointless threads...

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 1:16 pm

At some point yes we will.

The key issues will be how we react to it and if we've become another club with ridiculous amounts of debt after giving in to agents and other clubs transfer fees etc.

Spike · Post by **Spike** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 1:18 pm

one season at a time.

go and give your a head a wobble to rid yourself of stupid negativity!

claretfern · Post by **claretfern** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 1:29 pm

...would be happy to use Stoke and West Brom as blueprints. They have both managed to improve year on year by tweaking the playing staff. Next season will be just as difficult, however, so long as we're going in the right direction that can allow SD to let the shackles off now and then: play with a bit more fluidity.

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 1:29 pm

Whats wrong with relegation anyway?

I can't say I am enjoying watching Burnley now as much I was in say, 1998. I'm enjoying it just as much. I enjoyed last season, just as much as this season or from two or three seasons ago. Its just different, thats all.

Selby Claret · Post by **Selby Claret** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 1:57 pm

claptrappers_union wrote:
I can't say I am enjoying watching Burnley now as much I was in say, 1998. I'm enjoying it just as much.

You just did

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:36 pm

Next season.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:39 pm

ablueclaret wrote:Next season.

Even though Tarkowski is likely to be in the team next season?

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:57 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Even though Tarkowski is likely to be in the team next season?

Doing his best Andrea Pirlo impression as well.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:59 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Doing his best Andrea Pirlo impression as well.

New t-shirt idea for the shop - "No Tarko, No Party"

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:02 pm

J50 wrote:So do you accept that at some point we will be relegated? If not this season (looking unlikely fingers crossed etc.) but maybe next season or the one after but certainly in the next few years...

I only take one season at a time

ewanrob · Post by **ewanrob** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:13 pm

Much the same can be levelled at a few clubs around us at the moment, & some of the clubs coming up may be our saviour..as they would be in a similar case to us finance wise & who they could attract. Stay up this time, and properly invest & we should be alright I guess.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:21 pm

Of course we'll be relegated at some point. Mire than galf if the division will be. Next season is going to be far tougher than this year imo.

bob-the-scutter · Post by **bob-the-scutter** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:24 pm

Paul Waine wrote:Agree, Lancs.
No team has a "God given right" to be in the Premier League.
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Apart from Leeds you mean?

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:37 pm

we are not too different to Stoke, WBA or Swansea, we need to hang in there for a good 3 seasons then there is no reason why we can't stay up - it will be a tough ask though that's for sure.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:52 pm

Our History tells us we will and that we will find our way back eventually - how long the return takes will probably depend on how long we spend there this time - the more a small club adjusts to being a long term member of the premier league (wages, transfer fees, player types etc) the harder it proves to be to deal with relegation and a subsequent promotion push. The championship is a unique and ferocious beast and the kind of player and approach required to get out of it is different to that of a mid table club in the PL. If you are not in the mid table club and do a Sunderland for a good few years - the mental fatigue is also likely to be detrimental in the Championship without a rebuild.

That rebuild puts you back to square one if you get promoted - you need to have the memory in the club of how to get that promotion and how to fight for survival in the PL

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:30 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I accept that as long as we are in this league we will be one of the smaller clubs

Will we always be one of the smaller clubs? Or would a few years in this league change that?

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:44 pm

yo-yoying is all very well until the string snaps !!

losing sean dyche will be that moment i feel.

seems a perfect fit at the moment, still can't believe it sometimes, that we are here. If we survive, I could see him leaving. We'll then be premier team, bit more cash, but then what? Who could manage us as effectively? Bearing in mind, he got us here on fairly meagre rescources twice.
Someone taking over at Burnley will have their work cut out to follow Dyche's achievements.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:49 pm

The difference this time is we're a far more attractive club to manage then previously.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:52 pm

Roosterbooster wrote:Will we always be one of the smaller clubs? Or would a few years in this league change that?

Unfortunately, no.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:55 pm

bob-the-scutter wrote:Apart from Leeds you mean?

OK, yes, I'd forgotten about Leeds.

How are they doing these days?

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Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:56 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:yo-yoying is all very well until the string snaps !!

losing sean dyche will be that moment i feel.

seems a perfect fit at the moment, still can't believe it sometimes, that we are here. If we survive, I could see him leaving. We'll then be premier team, bit more cash, but then what? Who could manage us as effectively? Bearing in mind, he got us here on fairly meagre rescources twice.
Someone taking over at Burnley will have their work cut out to follow Dyche's achievements.

The Board will sort it, Wile. Enjoy.

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Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:58 pm

Sidney1st wrote:The difference this time is we're a far more attractive club to manage then previously.

that's true Sid, but it does make me wonder.

bob-the-scutter · Post by **bob-the-scutter** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 6:24 pm

Paul Waine wrote:OK, yes, I'd forgotten about Leeds.

How are they doing these days?

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Hopefully they will be derailed pretty soon, they have Brighton packers tonight. Not sure whether i`d rather Leeds or Brighton go up, both as hateful as each other.....preferably neither, Udders may beat them to a top 2 spot.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 6:37 pm

I accept that it's always a possibility, but accept that there's also no reason why we couldn't go on to establish ourselves as a mid table team and have a decent run in the division.

It'll never be easy for the smaller clubs but good ownership and management give you a head start on many of the nut job clubs that are out there.

Decades · Post by **Decades** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:11 pm

Dyche staying is key to a longer term future in the Premier League in my view. He has improved the team season on season and I think he can continue to do this.