England vs Lithuania

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:33 pm

Yesterday without the football was painful, so at least we now have the England game to look forward to.

I'm going 3-0 England. Keane hatrick

Expected lineup: Hart; Keane, Smalling, Stones; Walker, Dier, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Lallana; Sterling, Alli, Vardy

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:40 pm

Isn't Smallthing injured?

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:45 pm

Not sure Ian - the papers just say Cahill out as he's suspended and Stones comes in.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:47 pm

I thought Smalling was injured too and replaced by Gibson. Oxlade-Chamberlain shouldn't start.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:50 pm

taio wrote:Oxlade-Chamberlain shouldn't start.

I agree, never really rated him to be honest.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:43 pm

Does anyone have a good stream for this?

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:47 pm

On ITV I believe..?

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:50 pm

hampsteadclaret wrote:On ITV I believe..?

What's ITV? Is it on codi?

Likely line up:

England XI: Hart, Walker, Stones, Keane, Bertrand, Dier, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Sterling, Alli, Lallana, Defoe.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:50 pm

Yep as above. On ITV with kickoff at 5pm.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:55 pm

Cheers, don't take any notice of me I'm being a penis.

Fancy 5-0, Defoe is going create a big head ache for Southgate by playing well and scoring at least two goals.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:00 pm

Has Joe Shart been named as captain?

MrTopTier · Post by **MrTopTier** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:01 pm

Team is

Hart (Capt)

Walker, Stones, Keane Bertrand

Dier, Lallana Alli, The Ox, Sterling

Defoe

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:03 pm

Don't need Dier in there.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:03 pm

I for one will be interested to see how Stones and Keane do as a central pairing.

Come on England!

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:06 pm

I think England have now gone about 34 qualifying games without losing which is a hell of a record.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:08 pm

I liked the look of that back three against Germany I'd have gone with that again, Keane Stones Dier as the three.

Shouldn't matter though who we put out.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:11 pm

Rileybobs wrote:I think England have now gone about 34 qualifying games without losing which is a hell of a record.

..and not lost at Wembley in a qualification match for 400 years.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:13 pm

Diesel wrote:..and not lost at Wembley in a qualification match for 400 years.

They've only lost one competitive match ever there.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:15 pm

They are no mugs though, Lithuania, they took a point off......Scotland.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:15 pm

Rileybobs wrote:I think England have now gone about 34 qualifying games without losing which is a hell of a record.

When you look into the opponents, it's nothing that will make you grasp the bedsheets with an unbelievable orgasam. We've been bonk since 1996. That's almost 20 years.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:19 pm

FactualFrank wrote:When you look into the opponents, it's nothing that will make you grasp the bedsheets with an unbelievable orgasam. We've been bonk since 1996. That's almost 20 years.

That's not true though is it, as we've gone over 30 qualifying games undefeated. Our tournament record on the other hand could quite definitely be described as bonk.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:21 pm

Rileybobs wrote:That's not true though is it, as we've gone over 30 qualifying games undefeated

You've completely missed my point. My point was it's all well and good stating stats like that, but we've been crap for 20 years. And - look at our opponents and you'll quite quickly see that it is true - it's very true - our opposition overall has been rubbish.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:26 pm

FactualFrank wrote:You've completely missed my point. My point was it's all well and good stating stats like that, but we've been crap for 20 years. And - look at our opponents and you'll quite quickly see that it is true - it's very true - our opposition overall has been rubbish.

If you can't give any credit for a side going 30+ qualifying games without defeat then there's little point discussing it with you. The opposition are as 'rubbish' as any that a team would expect to face in qualifying campaigns. To go over 30 games without losing a qualifying game is an excellent record whether you can admit it or not.

minnieclaret · Post by **minnieclaret** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:27 pm

Congrats to Michael. after the best representative debut I've ever seen by a Burnley player he couldn't really be left out.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:32 pm

Rileybobs wrote:If you can't give any credit for a side going 30+ qualifying games without defeat then there's little point discussing it with you. The opposition are as 'rubbish' as any that a team would expect to face in qualifying campaigns. To go over 30 games without losing a qualifying game is an excellent record whether you can admit it or not.

But why are we discussing 'qualifying games'? Why not just go off the last X games? Or even better, the last X games after the qualiying rounds? When the overall quality of teams are better than Whitby.

Don't get me wrong - I love watching England and want them to win every game, but let's not fool ourselves by thinking that going 30+ qualifying games is brilliant, when we've played against crap. I don't read anything into that at all - I want us to play better football and be successful. We haven't done much since 1996 and even then, it was mainly down to the fact that we were hosting the thing.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:34 pm

Why is Ryan Giggs in the studio?

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:35 pm

Diesel wrote:Why is Ryan Giggs in the studio?

He could have played for England, did'nt you know

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:36 pm

Nice words from Southgate regards Keane, I like Southgate, the last England manager I liked was Venables.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:37 pm

FactualFrank wrote:He could have played for England, did'nt you know

His heritage suggests he could have played for a number of countries.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:39 pm

FactualFrank wrote:But why are we discussing 'qualifying games'? Why not just go off the last X games? Or even better, the last X games after the qualiying rounds? When the overall quality of teams are better than Whitby.

Don't get me wrong - I love watching England and want them to win every game, but let's not fool ourselves by thinking that going 30+ qualifying games is brilliant, when we've played against crap. I don't read anything into that at all - I want us to play better football and be successful. We haven't done much since 1996 and even then, it was mainly down to the fact that we were hosting the thing.

Because this is a qualifying game. Everyone knows that England have been toss in tournament football. I just recently heard the statistic that England have gone 34 qualifying games undefeated, which is a fantastic record regardless of the opposition. I'm not quite sure how you can even dispute it.

I presume Burnley's run of 23 league games undefeated last season was irrelevant because of our cup defeat during that stretch?

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:45 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Because this is a qualifying game. Everyone knows that England have been toss in tournament football. I just recently heard the statistic that England have gone 34 qualifying games undefeated, which is a fantastic record regardless of the opposition. I'm not quite sure how you can even dispute it.

I presume Burnley's run of 23 league games undefeated last season was irrelevant because of our cup defeat during that stretch?

That's another of your mistakes - presuming.

And how on God's Green Earth can it be a fantastic record 'regardless of opposition'? That makes no sense whatsoever.

Anyway - debate ended. We'll agree to disagree, if it's all the same to you. I guess you're too easily pleased.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:53 pm

FactualFrank wrote:That's another of your mistakes - presuming.

And how on God's Green Earth can it be a fantastic record 'regardless of opposition'? That makes no sense whatsoever.

Anyway - debate ended. We'll agree to disagree, if it's all the same to you. I guess you're too easily pleased.

You see, that's where you're mistaken. I'm not pleased by the last 20+ years of England achievements, far from it. I'm not even pleased with a large number of our performances in qualifying games. But at the same time I'm capable of separating fact from emotion and seeing that a record of 30+ qualifying games without defeat is a fantastic record. I'm surprised anyone can even try and form an argument against that.

Anyway, happy to leave it there.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:58 pm

Rileybobs wrote:I'm surprised anyone can even try and form an argument against that.

So you're trying to bring in emotion to back your opinion. Which says everything really.

I'm sick and tired of England being shite - that's the bottom line. Trying to tell me that going X games is something I should be proud of is quite frankly, rubbish. We're crap. We're poor. We don't pass and control a football as well as I would like. Not until recently anyway. I think Southgate might be onto something here and he's looking at things from a different angle to other managers. This is something I'm trying to be optimistic about - which I have always been for the past 20 years.

mikeS · Post by **mikeS** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:58 pm

Go Keano
Wembley full debut
WorldCup qualifier
National anthem and all
Proud, very proud

minnieclaret · Post by **minnieclaret** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:58 pm

Rileybobs wrote:I presume Burnley's run of 23 league games undefeated last season was irrelevant because of our cup defeat during that stretch?

But we were only playing Championship sides!!!

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:03 pm

Doesn't half make watching England more appealing.
Come on, Keano!

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:03 pm

minnieclaret wrote:But we were only playing Championship sides!!!

I can already see smoke coming from Rileybobs' backside

Anyway.... COME ON England, let's do this. I would love to see a good central defence this afternoon.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:04 pm

FactualFrank wrote:So you're trying to bring in emotion to back your opinion. Which says everything really.

I'm sick and tired of England being shite - that's the bottom line. Trying to tell me that going X games is something I should be proud of is quite frankly, rubbish. We're crap. We're poor. We don't pass and control a football as well as I would like. Not until recently anyway. I think Southgate might be onto something here and he's looking at things from a different angle to other managers. This is something I'm trying to be optimistic about - which I have always been for the past 20 years.

You're bringing emotion into it by saying you're sick and tired of England being shite.

I'm stating facts.

And I'm not telling you you should be proud of England's qualifying record, I don't care how you feel about it (emotion again). It's a great record whether it means anything to you or not.

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:08 pm

playing on left side of 2 centre backs

1st 5 passes from Michael - 100% successful (incl 30 yard cross field ball)

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:13 pm

Great to see Southgate taking Keano seriously and giving him a second start in four days. Good luck, lad!

Shore claret · Post by **Shore claret** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:16 pm

I like the Lithuanian kit, it's a cracker, always liked Hummel football gear it's great.

minnieclaret · Post by **minnieclaret** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:18 pm

ecc wrote:Great to see Southgate taking Keano seriously and giving him a second start in four days. Good luck, lad!

I'd expect Stones and Cahill to be the first names on his sheet but another good match could see him move above Smalling and Jones. He certainly made an assured start.

Shore claret · Post by **Shore claret** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:20 pm

If he carries on like this he won't be able to drop him.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:20 pm

Rileybobs wrote:You're bringing emotion into it by saying you're sick and tired of England being shite.

I'm stating facts.

And I'm not telling you you should be proud of England's qualifying record, I don't care how you feel about it (emotion again). It's a great record whether it means anything to you or not.

This is getting quite bizarre. You remind me of my friend Jez. After 2 pints you can prove him wrong and he still won't accept it. I feel this would be going down the same street. You think it's amazing, I don't. I beat my 4 year old nephew at 'Snap' 10 times in a row. He's not even sure how to the play the game.

Superb record though - 10 games undefeated.

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:22 pm

Mk from a corner.....Got to happen.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:22 pm

FactualFrank wrote:This is getting quite bizarre. You remind me of my friend Jez. After 2 pints you can prove him wrong and he still won't accept it. I feel this would be going down the same street. You think it's amazing, I don't. I beat my 4 year old nephew at 'Snap' 10 times in a row. He's not even sure how to the play the game.

Superb record though - 10 games undefeated.

Excellent comparison. You win.

Shore claret · Post by **Shore claret** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:23 pm

Outswinging corners are a waste of time.

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:24 pm

Get in!

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:26 pm

Glad we've an early one.
Makes parking the bus harder for 'em.

Shore claret · Post by **Shore claret** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:26 pm

Good goal, got to be brave and you unlock defences