All Labour members are racist

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:14 am

I know, i know, i'm just a lypical leftie who thinks everyone who disagrees with him is a racist. But wait, this isn't me saying it, it's Dan Hodges from that left-wing tabloid the Mail on Sunday.

Hey, what if it's not just idiots on the left that misuse the term? What if there are idiots on the right who misuse it also? No, that can't be right. Because the left-wing are hatemongers and the right-wing are are full of rainbows whose **** smells like perfume.

Imagine if someone said all Tories were racist, you'd never hear the end of it from the emotional idiots.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:08 am

Morning.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:16 am

RocketLawnChair wrote:Morning.

Morning.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:24 am

and the right-wing are are full of rainbows whose **** smells like perfume.

Go into a college (any) tomorrow and ask students, what is the first thing that you think of when you hear right wing?

You'll hear;

Nazi
Britain First
EDL
Racist
Brexit

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:35 am

I did wonder who'd put this on here when I read it yesterday.

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:38 am

I don't think he really is saying that all Labour members are overtly racist rather that he is implying that they are guilty by association with Labour's rotten London-centric anti-semitic heart. Livingstone has been called out on a number of occasions for his anti-semitic leanings. In this case the Labour party inquiry actually agreed that he was guilty of making such comments but basically said to him "lie low for 12 months then business as usual". Labour should have made a clear example of Livingstone and the Labour Party rank and file should be demanding that that happens. Instead they are just acquiescing because they know it would be resisted by the Corbynistas and that would give Corbyn another opportunity to add a bit of cement to his foundations of sand.
I don't agree with this guilty by association argument, I think most Labour Party members are decent people, I was one myself for a long time, but I do think that Labour has a rotten heart at the moment that needs to be cut out. Unfortunately no-one seems to have the bottle to do it.

PS you are correct that on occasion the racist tag seems a convenient slur for some people who may not be as left leaning as you.

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:54 am

As long as this avoids discussing Labour's issue with anti-semitism and takes an easy, enjoyable shot at the racist, idiotic hate mongers at the Mail (they really are) then all is good.

Two wrongs make a right.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:22 am

Lefty gets triggered by Mail front page shocker

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:22 am

Ha! So ImplodingTurtleBrains is starting the day by agreeing with the Daily Mail.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:30 am

NottsClaret wrote:As long as this avoids discussing Labour's issue with anti-semitism and takes an easy, enjoyable shot at the racist, idiotic hate mongers at the Mail (they really are) then all is good.

Two wrongs make a right.

You can only talk about one thing at a time?

boiledclaret · Post by **boiledclaret** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:30 am

I always felt that the tories were a bunch of cliquey elitists who went to the best schools and got all the best jobs.

That all changed when Labour came to power with Tony Blair.

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:34 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:You can only talk about one thing at a time?

Soz Charlie. Missed your post on the Labour leadership's problem with Jews. I'll have a read now.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:36 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Go into a college (any) tomorrow and ask students, what is the first thing that you think of when you hear right wing?

You'll hear;

Nazi
Britain First
EDL
Racist
Brexit

So? That doesn't mean they think the right-wing is any of those things. It just means that of all things right wing, it's the extremists that stand out. Like they do with anything. Except islam of course, because all islamic terrierists represent all of islam. amirite?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:36 am

NottsClaret wrote:Soz Charlie. Missed your post on the Labour leadership's problem with Jews. I'll have a read now.

Good lad.

btw, what's their problem with Jews again?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:38 am

Damo wrote:Lefty gets triggered by Mail front page shocker

When did being triggered start involving laughing?

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:44 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:When did being triggered start involving laughing?

Your emoji's are fooling nobody pal

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:52 am

Damo wrote:Your emoji's are fooling nobody pal

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:05 am

One of the many times that you should take a pinch of salt and place the offending newspaper in the bin.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:23 am

the first thing i think of when i hear 'right wing' is glen little.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 12:46 pm

Livingstone is no more an anti-Semite than Corbyn is a 'friend to terrorists'. Just the Hitler supporting newspaper at the same old tricks.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 12:49 pm

AndrewJB wrote:Corbyn is a 'friend to terrorists'.

Corbyn was no more a friend to terrorists than any other leader!

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 07850.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:32 pm

It's what I meant, Spijed.

We could also look at what close friends Theresa May has just been visiting.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:35 pm

http://howlongsincekenlivingstonementionedhitler.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Bloody hell. He's managed 5 days now

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:17 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:So? That doesn't mean they think the right-wing is any of those things. It just means that of all things right wing, it's the extremists that stand out. Like they do with anything. Except islam of course, because all islamic terrierists represent all of islam. amirite?

My point is though you wouldn't get that if you asked the same with "left wing" or even with Islam (at a college I stress, on the street may be different).

Young people in general are quite ignorant to what right wing values are and they are generally seen as just an inherently bad things and associated with bad things. You simply don't get that type of negative association with the other two.

Islam to be fair is a funny one, you'd probably get dishonest answers with that due to fear more than anything.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 4:23 pm

I met a guy back when I was at college, he said he was Marxist-Leninist. I said I wasn't. So he asked me is I was a Trotskyist, the only politics he though existed.

It's a shame that students these days don't associate "right wing" with football, but I blame the demise of the old 2-3-5 formations.

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FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 4:44 pm

IT considers addressing somebody by their given name Racist.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:51 pm

FCBurnley wrote:IT considers addressing somebody by their given name Racist.

How's that swamp draining going?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:52 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:My point is though you wouldn't get that if you asked the same with "left wing" or even with Islam (at a college I stress, on the street may be different).

Young people in general are quite ignorant to what right wing values are and they are generally seen as just an inherently bad things and associated with bad things. You simply don't get that type of negative association with the other two.

Islam to be fair is a funny one, you'd probably get dishonest answers with that due to fear more than anything.

I think you're ignorant to the political knowledge of young people.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:08 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I think you're ignorant to the political knowledge of young people.

I used to work at Burnley college, I literally asked these type of questions every other week.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:12 pm

Why don't you post something about football turtle , just for a change ? There must be plenty of other outlets where you can provoke an argument about Racism/Trump, or some other 6th form politics obsession, and then proceed to ridicule anyone who dares to disagree, surely ?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:31 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:Why don't you post something about football turtle , just for a change ? There must be plenty of other outlets where you can provoke an argument about Racism/Trump, or some other 6th form politics obsession, and then proceed to ridicule anyone who dares to disagree, surely ?

Why don't you lick my balls?

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:38 pm

Oh dear...

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:47 pm

AndrewJB wrote:Livingstone is no more an anti-Semite than Corbyn is a 'friend to terrorists'. Just the Hitler supporting newspaper at the same old tricks.

Not so. Corbyn is a "friend" of terrorists - in his own words. Admittedly he does have a loony esoteric definition of the word all to himself but nevertheless "friend" is word he uses.

Imploding Turtle wrote:I think you're ignorant to the political knowledge of young people.

ClaretMoffitt wrote:I used to work at Burnley college, I literally asked these type of questions every other week.

Classic exchange. Great stuuf.

Good to see IT supporting the Daily Mail and acknowledging its journalism instead of calling it names for once. Nice to see good journalism recognised this way.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:50 pm

Careful Rowls....you may be invited to ...ahem, " lick his balls "

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:50 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:How's that swamp draining going?

At least Hussein Obama has gone

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:23 pm

FCBurnley wrote:At least Hussein Obama has gone

What did he do that was so terrible? Aside from being black.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:24 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:What did he do that was so terrible? Aside from being black.

My biggest beef with him was threatening us into voting remain.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:31 pm

I suppose Corbyn also called bin Laden death a literal tragedy too.

No wonder politicians are so careful with what they say when people delight in twisting the meaning of what they say in order to embarrass them. Corbyn uses diplomatic language to offer an olive branch and people deliberately ignore that.

We get the politicians we deserve because of people like Rowls, who are a cancer rotting political discourse by trying to shut it down at every turn when the facts aren't on their side. Which is a lot. It's why retainers can't express their concerns without "remoaner" coming out of some idiots mouth, or another idiot complaining about being called racist when no one in the conversation has called them it.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:38 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I suppose Corbyn also called bin Laden death a literal tragedy too.

No wonder politicians are so careful with what they say when people delight in twisting the meaning of what they say in order to embarrass them. Corbyn uses diplomatic language to offer an olive branch and people deliberately ignore that.

We get the politicians we deserve because of people like Rowls, who are a cancer rotting political discourse by trying to shut it down at every turn when the facts aren't on their side. Which is a lot. It's why retainers can't express their concerns without "remoaner" coming out of some idiots mouth, or another idiot complaining about being called racist when no one in the conversation has called them it.

It would have taken somebody as mentally limited as yourself to misunderstand what I said.

Please read my post again and try harder to understand what I've said.

The important bits for you to look for are "silly", "esoteric" and the bit about nobody else using the word to mean the same things as he does.

But as my post says, nevertheless, the man chooses the word himself.

As for "getting the politicians we deserve" - this is a general truth but not really applicable here. The people who got the politician they deserved are those who supported, helped or voted Jeremy Corbyn into place as leader of the Labour Party.

People like yourself.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:43 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:We get the politicians we deserve because of people like Rowls, who are a cancer rotting political discourse by trying to shut it down at every turn when the facts aren't on their side. Which is a lot. It's why retainers can't express their concerns without "remoaner" coming out of some idiots mouth, or another idiot complaining about being called racist when no one in the conversation has called them it.

Oooooh. Sorry to quote you twice but I missed this little gem, caught up as I was in correcting the other bit of tosh you posted.

It's my fault people use the word "remoaner" is it? Please explain why. I'm desperate to hear this one.

I do wish -Oh how I Wish!- that I could inhabit your childish world of hardened "facts". What a joyous black and white world that would be to live in!

Facts to prove decisively what level taxes should be set!
Facts to prove conclusively how much dinner a child should eat!
Facts to tell us if we need nuclear weapons!
Facts that tell us everything about Brexit and the EU!

If only there had been more FACTs before we voted for Brexit, eh?

Why oh why aren't there more facts out there????

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:44 pm

Rowls wrote:It would have taken somebody as mentally limited as yourself to misunderstand what I said.

Please read my post again and try harder to understand what I've said.

The important bits for you to look for are "silly", "esoteric" and the bit about nobody else using the word to mean the same things as he does.

But as my post says, nevertheless, the man chooses the word himself.

As for "getting the politicians we deserve" - this is a general truth but not really applicable here. The people who got the politician they deserved are those who supported, helped or voted Jeremy Corbyn into place as leader of the Labour Party.

People like yourself.

Rowls, how come Margaret Thatcher can have a friend like General Pinochet and no-one cares, yet Jeremy Corbyn makes a few misguided remarks and is suddenly seen as a friend to terrorists?

Obviously helping with the Falklands absolves Pinochet of any war crimes doesn't it?

And yet what he did was on a par with Hitler and Maggie was fine with that!

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:49 pm

IT

From a Tory in the South who voted Brexit and Corbyn for leader, for all of Corbyn's faults, Chakrabarti's whitewash, Red Ken's onset of dementia etc etc....

Not all Labour supporters are racist and stop reading the trash DM.

Ok x

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:54 pm

Spijed wrote:Rowls, how come Margaret Thatcher can have a friend like General Pinochet and no-one cares, yet Jeremy Corbyn makes a few misguided remarks and is suddenly seen as a friend to terrorists?
Obviously helping with the Falklands absolves Pinochet of any war crimes doesn't it?
And yet what he did was on a par with Hitler and Maggie was fine with that!

Because allying ourselves with Pinochet at the time of the Falklands war had nothing to do with terrorism. The circumstances are different.

When Margaret Thatcher allied our military action with Chile it was because they were the ONLY country prepared to help us defend our sovereign territory. It is no more controversial than allying ourselves with Stalin and the USSR in WWII.

In this respect, Pinochet WAS a friend. He stuck up for Britain when we needed a friend. That's the exact kind of action people use to define friendship.

To summarize:

Margaret Thatcher treated the brutal dictator Pinochet as a friend because he acted as a friend to the UK.

Jeremy Corbyn calls various terrorist and Islamist groups his "friends" because they appear together at ideological left wing hustings/debates/meetings. He chooses this word himself. Dimwit that he is.

The difference here is very clear and I'm happy to point it out for you, even though it's going off on a massive tangent onto Thatcher for some reason.

I genuinely always enjoying chatting on here with you spijed but perhaps these regular "But what about when X Tory/Margaret Thatcher did this?" questions could be posed on a separate thread?

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:58 pm

Spijed wrote:Rowls, how come Margaret Thatcher can have a friend like General Pinochet and no-one cares, yet Jeremy Corbyn makes a few misguided remarks and is suddenly seen as a friend to terrorists?

Obviously helping with the Falklands absolves Pinochet of any war crimes doesn't it?

And yet what he did was on a par with Hitler and Maggie was fine with that!

However, having answered directly, a few key points:

1. Plenty of people care about what Pincohet did.
2. Corbyn hasn't "made a few misguided remarks". He isn't "seen as a friend to terrorists" - he calls them his "friends" of his own free will.
3. Providing military assistance does not absolve Pinochet. Our courts have ruled on this matter.
4. Pinochet was not "on a par" with Hitler.
5. Margaret Thatcher was not "fine with that".

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:00 pm

HatfieldClaret wrote:IT

From a Tory in the South who voted Brexit and Corbyn for leader, for all of Corbyn's faults, Chakrabarti's whitewash, Red Ken's onset of dementia etc etc....

Not all Labour supporters are racist and stop reading the trash DM.

Ok x

You made the mistake of taking everything I said in my OP literally. Don't be like Rowls.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:02 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You made the mistake of taking everything I said in my OP literally. Don't be like Rowls.

Hahahaha!

If we're on the subject of "taking things literally" can we talk about the thread title and the headline to the story?

Can we?

Can we?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:02 pm

Rowls wrote:Oooooh. Sorry to quote you twice but I missed this little gem, caught up as I was in correcting the other bit of tosh you posted.

It's my fault people use the word "remoaner" is it? Please explain why. I'm desperate to hear this one.

I do wish -Oh how I Wish!- that I could inhabit your childish world of hardened "facts". What a joyous black and white world that would be to live in!

Facts to prove decisively what level taxes should be set!
Facts to prove conclusively how much dinner a child should eat!
Facts to tell us if we need nuclear weapons!
Facts that tell us everything about Brexit and the EU!

If only there had been more FACTs before we voted for Brexit, eh?

Why oh why aren't there more facts out there????

Damo, this is what being triggered looks like.

Holy **** what an awful post.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:03 pm

Rowls wrote:However, having answered directly, a few key points:

1. Plenty of people care about what Pincohet did.
2. Corbyn hasn't "made a few misguided remarks". He isn't "seen as a friend to terrorists" - he calls them his "friends" of his own free will.
3. Providing military assistance does not absolve Pinochet. Our courts have ruled on this matter.
4. Pinochet was not "on a par" with Hitler.
5. Margaret Thatcher was not "fine with that".

1. Depends on whether people see Thatcher as someone who can do no wrong.
2. See link: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ah-friends" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
3. I agree to that
4. Only down to numbers, but his actions were as bad.
5. See link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/304516.stm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:06 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You made the mistake of taking everything I said in my OP literally. Don't be like Rowls.

You drew me in nicely there; you normally post sh!te so I disagree vehemently. You post a reasonable view and i get suckered in and agree with you !!

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:08 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Damo, this is what being triggered looks like.
Holy **** what an awful post.

Oh dear.

If you're going to use "alt-right" insult like "triggered" you could at least learn what they mean. You're like a middle-aged "trendy" dad.

"Triggered" is for when somebody sulks off, refuses to see something or throws a hissy strop about something which they class as "insulting" or "likely to cause offence".

Me laughing and taking the mickey doesn't fit within that category.

If I'd posted something like "OMG that's so cruel I genuinely can't believe it" and reported your post to the mods demanding that it be removed - that's what "triggered" would look like.

You're also using "snowflake" as an insult very badly too (another one you've appropriated from the "alt-right").

By all means steal the insults but unless you use them effectively it's like that character out of Back to the Future saying things like "Make like a tree and go!"

I'm actually trying to help you here TurdleBrains.