Why would SD stay?

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:01 pm

We've heard that Keane should move to enhance his England chances, so by the same logic shouldn't SD be doing the same.
I really can see no reason why he would wish to stay beyond this season unless it is to prove us doubters wrong and develop a Plan B.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:02 pm

more to the point, why do you insist on starting nonsense threads ?

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:03 pm

I'm sure he'd stop just to read your sage advice on here.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:03 pm

ablueclaret wrote:We've heard that Keane should move to enhance his England chances, so by the same logic shouldn't SD be doing the same.

I don't think it matters where Dyche goes, he won't make the England squad.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:03 pm

I've heard rumours that he will stay if you go.

We've negotiated a transfer to someone more local for you, you've just got to choose Reading or Swindon.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:03 pm

Yawn!

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:04 pm

Why don't you just f**k off? You're not wanted.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:04 pm

morpheus2 · Post by **morpheus2** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:05 pm

You should call yourself 'ADHDclaret'

Jokes.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:06 pm

Keane is one of the best defenders around and will get picked up by a top 8 club so a move would definitely further his career.

Dyche on the otherhand is about at his currnet level and would be lucky to get a job with a team in a better position than Burnley if he decided he wanted to move on

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:07 pm

When reason is thrown out of the window.....

minnieclaret · Post by **minnieclaret** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:09 pm

The top 10 don't want him. the rest are no better than us. He's loved here, apart from yourself and KRBFC.
Why would he move and become some dodgy owners plaything?

If you don't know that you shouldn't be posting.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:14 pm

Like Eddie Howe he needs to prove he can do it elsewhere and with different resources, his stock will not rise by staying here.
He's proved he can manage at this level now he needs to move up a band and see if he can manage at a big club, just like Keane has to show he can deal with the expectation level at the top.

paulus the woodgnome · Post by **paulus the woodgnome** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:18 pm

What drivel

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:22 pm

ablueclaret - name a club in a better position than us, who you think would want Dyche.

I don't think there are any.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:29 pm

minnieclaret wrote:The top 10 don't want him. the rest are no better than us. He's loved here, apart from yourself and KRBFC.
Why would he move and become some dodgy owners plaything?

If you don't know that you shouldn't be posting.

Grateful for what he's done for the club financially but Imo he's taken us far as he can and I only see things going backwards the longer he stays here. I don't see more progress being made, I don't see an enjoyable style of football being played anytime soon, infact I don't think Dyche has any intention of changing his system/style. He's so stubborn, we are still playing the same formation away from home and guess what... It still hasn't worked. He could learn a thing from some of the best managers with his subs and flexibility, many managers change the game at half time when its clearly not working, I don't think Dyche has ever made a change at half time in his entire career to date.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:31 pm

Why wouldn't he ??

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:36 pm

ablueclaret wrote:We've heard that Keane should move to enhance his England chances, so by the same logic shouldn't SD be doing the same.
I really can see no reason why he would wish to stay beyond this season unless it is to prove us doubters wrong and develop a Plan B.

I don't wish to be unduly rude, but while I know your football knowledge is a bit limited, I didn't realise it was a limited as that. Let me explain.

When a player wishes to move, if other clubs are interested, they will make a bid and try to sign him. They will already have other players at the club in the same position, but will sign (say) Keane either intending him to be reserve to the existing players or to replace one of them; and of course Keane will feel that he may be good enough to displace an existing player, even if he was signed as a reserve.

It doesn't work that way with managers. You don't get clubs like Man United signing two or three managers from down the table to add to their squad. With managers, you only have one manager who has his own team of assistants, and clubs do not sign managers established at lower levels just to see if they are better than the existing one.

Honestly, you ought to do a bit more research before starting nonsense threads like this. you must be just about the only person on the board who doesn't know how the managerial merry-go-round works.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:36 pm

Like Eddie Howe he needs to prove he can do it elsewhere and with different resources, his stock will not rise by staying here.

Eddie tried that.

He failed.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:36 pm

I, for one, hope that he stays.

Never mind negotiating for abc to go. Throw in KBRFC and I think that would seal it

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:36 pm

KRBFC wrote:Grateful for what he's done for the club financially but Imo he's taken us far as he can and I only see things going backwards the longer he stays here. I don't see more progress being made, I don't see an enjoyable style of football being played anytime soon, infact I don't think Dyche has any intention of changing his system/style. He's so stubborn, we are still playing the same formation away from home and guess what... It still hasn't worked. He could learn a thing from some of the best managers with his subs and flexibility, many managers change the game at half time when its clearly not working, I don't think Dyche has ever made a change at half time in his entire career to date.

He made three changes in the first 37 minutes at Newcastle on 1 January 2015.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:38 pm

Having read a few of these posts I am sure that there are a number of top flight clubs ready to take on a manager who is so stubborn and inflexible and refuses to change his style of play.

Arsenal sprang to mind.

And then I remembered they have already got Arsene Wenger.

Cooperclaret · Post by **Cooperclaret** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:40 pm

Here we go again the two resident Rovers fans having a dig at the best thing that's ever happened to Burnley Football Club.

Burnley fans on here are getting bored of this now - I certainly am and lots of posters I personally know are too.

Wind up merchants should be binned - simple

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:44 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:He made three changes in the first 37 minutes at Newcastle on 1 January 2015.

Crikey, I bet that took some research

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:44 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:He made three changes in the first 37 minutes at Newcastle on 1 January 2015.

3 enforced changes? Shackell and Long injured? Cant remember the other

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:46 pm

Cooperclaret wrote:Here we go again the two resident Rovers fans having a dig at the best thing that's ever happened to Burnley Football Club.

Burnley fans on here are getting bored of this now - I certainly am and lots of posters I personally know are too.

Wind up merchants should be binned - simple

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:50 pm

Cooperclaret wrote:Here we go again the two resident Rovers fans having a dig at the best thing that's ever happened to Burnley Football Club.

Burnley fans on here are getting bored of this now - I certainly am and lots of posters I personally know are too.

Wind up merchants should be binned - simple

Define the term "wind up merchant"
I gave my opinion on the topic, added in reasoning. Its not my fault you get wound up by my opinion. Maybe you should get outside and go for a walk to cool down and re-evaluate because if you genuinely get upset then the internet is probably not the place for you. I don't see constructive criticism as a bad thing at all, infact I added in "I'm grateful for what he's done for the club".

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:53 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:Why don't you just f**k off? You're not wanted.

neither are you with that awful reply.

Cooperclaret · Post by **Cooperclaret** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:00 pm

Nah, you are just constantly boring KBRFC s lagging off the gaffer time after time after time every thread is ruined by your boring "look at me" bile.

Have your opinion - that's what you go on about time and time again on every thread.

Like I said it's boring - you are on every thread with crap.

You want me to go for a walk ? I suggest you log off and get yourself a life and renew your season ticket for league one next season.

Bored !!!!!!!!!!

MrTopTier · Post by **MrTopTier** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:00 pm

Just eversteadyeddie missing for a full house.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:01 pm

KRBFC wrote:Define the term "wind up merchant"

Not a definition but

KRBFC wrote:To be honest, you would have to be a half wit to take everything I type on here, seriously....

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:04 pm

KRBFC wrote:Grateful for what he's done for the club financially but Imo he's taken us far as he can and I only see things going backwards the longer he stays here. I don't see more progress being made, I don't see an enjoyable style of football being played anytime soon, infact I don't think Dyche has any intention of changing his system/style. He's so stubborn, we are still playing the same formation away from home and guess what... It still hasn't worked. He could learn a thing from some of the best managers with his subs and flexibility, many managers change the game at half time when its clearly not working, I don't think Dyche has ever made a change at half time in his entire career to date.

Have you ever noticed the value of some of our opponents benches. Multi million pound internationals to call on is still a million miles away from us.
Yes we still haven't won away from home. The set up early in the season was wrong. Since Xmas we have been very good, apart from Swansea. The reason we still haven't won away is because of the chances the forwards keep spurning. Brady could and should have won it at Boro, Sam could have won it for us at Everton. Games change on the smallest amounts of fortune, unfortunately away from home we don't seem to get any luck but bad. That said, performance wise you only need to see some of the hammerings our contemporaries are taking at the same grounds where we are putting on a good showing, to realise that we are a lot, lot better than either you or ABC are willing to acknowledge.
You don't have a clue what SD's style will be with a better squad, neither do I, but I would GUESS that it will be more expansive than at present. One of his greatest strengths is getting the best out of his players, and NOT asking them to do things they aren't capable of. If you and ABC had your way, we would be playing pretty football all the way back to league 2.

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:06 pm

KRBFC wrote:3 enforced changes? Shackell and Long injured? Cant remember the other

You said "I don't think Dyche has ever made a change at half time in his entire career to date" you didn't mention anything about enforced.

I can recall that he made two changes at half time at West Brom in the 0-4 defeat in 2014/15 season. Reid and Wallace went off to be replaced by Chalobah and Barnes. -- not that it made a bit of difference.

For the record the other change was Dean Marney who had been feeling unwell before the match and then threw up during it and went off ill after 32 minutes.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:06 pm

KRBFC doesn't pay attention to other clubs, they've stated as such before.

So its no good pointing out what the squads at other clubs are like for comparisons.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:08 pm

I was just applying the logic that if it is necessary for Keane to move to improve, so it must be for SD or have I missed something.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:09 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:Have you ever noticed the value of some of our opponents benches. Multi million pound internationals to call on is still a million miles away from us.

At Sunderland we had Tarks, Defour, Westwood and Brady all on the bench. My concern is when Dyche gets more expensive and better players he struggles to use them. He's done what was needed this year so ill happily give him the opportunity to show he can improve the team and the way we play next season

MrTopTier · Post by **MrTopTier** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:14 pm

Why would he not stay.

Two promotions, currently looking like we are staying up, training ground in place and a reasonable amount of control of what goes on in the club.
The foundations are in place, he will continue to build and establish us in the premier league.
Yes he can improve the style of how we play and adapt his formations, but this comes after we secure our place in this league.
Undoubtedly he will have ambitions, however in relative terms, he is inexperienced as a manager at this level, so let him be and see where it takes us.
UTC.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:14 pm

This is not really about SD's style it's about his future prospects and development and although I'm sure he's very pleased with what he has achieved here, he really needs to break free from the shackles and develop.
I don't think he has the freedom to do so here.
In fact it wouldn't surprise me to see him take what might appear a step backwards and take up another Championship team but this time with some style.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:16 pm

ablueclaret wrote:This is not really about SD's style it's about his future prospects and development and although I'm sure he's very pleased with what he has achieved here, he really needs to break free from the shackles and develop.
I don't think he has the freedom to do so here.
In fact it wouldn't surprise me to see him take what might appear a step backwards and take up another Championship team but this time with some style.

I bet he has more freedom here than he'd get at other clubs.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:17 pm

ablueclaret wrote:I was just applying the logic that if it is necessary for Keane to move to improve, so it must be for SD or have I missed something.

Yes. You're missing the fact that that's not logic. Footballer and manager are different jobs. A bricklayer needs tolearn to mix mortar. I'm an accountant, so should I learn to mix mortar?

Look, you said something stupid, we all know it was stupid, so just keep your head down. It doesn't become any less stupid by repetition.

However, I will help you out a bit - I've told you this before and you learned nothing, with stuff that is correct, repetition might help you learn. If Sean Dyche is offered a job he likes better, he will move. If he's not offered a job he likes better, and doesn't want to retire, he will not move.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:17 pm

ablueclaret wrote:I was just applying the logic that if it is necessary for Keane to move to improve, so it must be for SD or have I missed something.

Keane has to move so your mate gets a game in defence.

As for the rest, its already been explained there's a finite number of managerial jobs and there's also the long standing trend to employ foreign managers instead of English.

The England job is a poisoned Chalice and Dyche may not even want it, no one knows apart from Dyche himself.
He could well move to a different club, but that may not be for a number of years.

Despite KRBFC's statement, he can still progress with this club.

taio · Post by **taio** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:17 pm

ablueclaret wrote:This is not really about SD's style it's about his future prospects and development and although I'm sure he's very pleased with what he has achieved here, he really needs to break free from the shackles and develop.
I don't think he has the freedom to do so here.
In fact it wouldn't surprise me to see him take what might appear a step backwards and take up another Championship team but this time with some style.

It seems nothing would surprise you. Only recently you were saying it wouldn't surprise you if Keane, Mee and Tarkowski all left in the summer.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:21 pm

KRBFC wrote:3 enforced changes? Shackell and Long injured? Cant remember the other

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:You said "I don't think Dyche has ever made a change at half time in his entire career to date" you didn't mention anything about enforced.

I can recall that he made two changes at half time at West Brom in the 0-4 defeat in 2014/15 season. Reid and Wallace went off to be replaced by Chalobah and Barnes. -- not that it made a bit of difference.

For the record the other change was Dean Marney who had been feeling unwell before the match and then threw up during it and went off ill after 32 minutes.

He made one at WBA this season as well, Barnes for Defour.

But let's not let facts get in the way of KRBFC's narrative.

Wexford_Claret · Post by **Wexford_Claret** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:28 pm

1. Being paid a fantastically good wage, even for the Premier League.
2. Loved by (almost) the entire town.
3. The many long term projects he has started.
4. Every Burnley Football Club squad, from the first team to the under 16s are playing Sean Dyche football.

He has now moulded Burnley into what he wants as a football club. When you actually look into it, why on earth would he leave?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:31 pm

I don't think your point about the wage is right.

The rest sounds good though.

Stockbrokerbelt · Post by **Stockbrokerbelt** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:40 pm

It's always the same few who just have to knock something. Let's all be honest we are always going to have to scrap & fight to stay in the league & will be one of the lowest in financial terms until we're bought which I think is only a matter of time especially whilst we're in the prem, a cheap club to buy. Dyche has got us there & touch wood keeping us there, for one I'm happy any way we play to get the results to get the points we need to stay there, if we were playing Brazilian football & losing the same knockers would be moaning, make us all happy & disappear down your holes you pop up from.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:43 pm

Wexford_Claret wrote:1. Being paid a fantastically good wage, even for the Premier League.
2. Loved by (almost) the entire town.
3. The many long term projects he has started.
4. Every Burnley Football Club squad, from the first team to the under 16s are playing Sean Dyche football.

He has now moulded Burnley into what he wants as a football club. When you actually look into it, why on earth would he leave?

I would be very unhappy if our under 16s were playing in such a structured and restrictive manner. Surely young footballers development should be about exposing them to as many ideas and ways of playing as properly with the focus an improvement rather than individual match results

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:54 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:I would be very unhappy if our under 16s were playing in such a structured and restrictive manner. Surely young footballers development should be about exposing them to as many ideas and ways of playing as properly with the focus an improvement rather than individual match results

I should imagine that the focus with our young players is to develop them to a level where they're capable of playing in our first team.

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:00 pm

ablueclaret wrote:I was just applying the logic that if it is necessary for Keane to move to improve, so it must be for SD or have I missed something.

Yeah your ****ing medication.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:02 pm

Rileybobs wrote:I should imagine that the focus with our young players is to develop them to a level where they're capable of playing in our first team.

and you think coaching them within a specific and rigid framework at that age is the best way of doing that?