Good Piece By Tony Livesey

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sun May 07, 2017 11:28 pm

On Motd 2 now
CT!!!

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun May 07, 2017 11:33 pm

Who was the clown daring to compare Dyche with Harry Potts?

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sun May 07, 2017 11:35 pm

Quite a good short piece, I thought.
Passion of the fans came across well

Very good is Tony, and good to see Barry looking well.

cloughyclaret · Post by **cloughyclaret** » Sun May 07, 2017 11:39 pm

Hubby went to bed shortly before this was on. I've recorded it for him so we can watch it together. Brought a smile to my face.

COBBLE · Post by **COBBLE** » Sun May 07, 2017 11:46 pm

I recognised the area around the Turf but where was the opening set. What's wrong with Townley Hall, our exceptional parks. Sorry Tony you went along with the producer's cheap, lazy idea. You sold out.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Sun May 07, 2017 11:57 pm

COBBLE wrote:I recognised the area around the Turf but where was the opening set. What's wrong with Townley Hall, our exceptional parks. Sorry Tony you went along with the producer's cheap, lazy idea. You sold out.

Surely the idea want to sort of recreate the David Coleman piece from the sixties, hence the locations.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon May 08, 2017 12:02 am

There's no such thing as bad publicity.

Fair play to Mr Livesey.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Mon May 08, 2017 12:11 am

he worked for the daily sport, would sell his granny out for a cheap headline back then, no interest in the bloke. lucky man to be seen as a serious journo, initial career path was vapid in the extreme.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon May 08, 2017 12:15 am

martin_p wrote:Surely the idea want to sort of recreate the David Coleman piece from the sixties, hence the locations.

Was exactly the plan - by the way, I didn't remember Coleman speaking quite so posh

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon May 08, 2017 12:21 am

ClaretTony wrote:Who was the clown daring to compare Dyche with Harry Potts?

Is Sean better than Harry Potts? I'm sure I heard Barry kilby say in the sixties it was more of a level playing field financially.so sd is quite an amazing manager.i take it you know the said clown?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon May 08, 2017 12:27 am

tim_noone wrote:Is Sean better than Harry Potts? I'm sure I heard Barry kilby say in the sixties it was more of a level playing field financially.so sd is quite an amazing manager.i take it you know the said clown?

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Mon May 08, 2017 12:29 am

Bet Tony was turning cartwheels today.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon May 08, 2017 12:31 am

No doubt they both were...

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon May 08, 2017 12:42 am

ElectroClaret wrote:Bet Tony was turning cartwheels today.

If I was able to I think I would

but I'll be having a word with Barry Kilby daring to suggest it was a level playing field in 1960.

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Mon May 08, 2017 1:36 am

SD is certainly our best manager since HP.

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Mon May 08, 2017 1:37 am

And let's not forget John Haworth.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Mon May 08, 2017 1:59 am

BK is absolutely correct.When we lifted the Division 1 title there was still a maximum wage and no freedom of contract as now. The movement of players was therefore restricted by both the system and the fact if you were playing on top whack there was no need to move for more £££££££.Whilst the field was not level the incline was much less than it is now
Compare that with now and the fact that we cannot keep one of our better players who wants out and will leave if he wants to despite being under contract because we will sell as next year that player can just walk.

IMO having been around when both managed us SD has achieved more with less than HP did good as he was. HP moved into a club with a youth policy and a training ground and a good team built largely by Brown. Initially he did not have to sell players to keep the club afloat-most of that came when the max wage went.SD walked into a club strapped for cash with a poor youth policy and a training ground falling apart and had to build a team by selling our best striker having little money for transfer fees in his first full season.
Others will say Potts was better than SD, some might even say Cliff Britton was the best of the three.He managed to get us into the First Division and a Cup Final on just £2k in transfer fees and then we ended up 3rd top behind Utd only on goal average
Cannot disagree with BK about that playing field.

jtv · Post by **jtv** » Mon May 08, 2017 7:22 am

cloughyclaret wrote:Hubby went to bed shortly before this was on. I've recorded it for him so we can watch it together. Brought a smile to my face.

Any chance of someone putting it up on Youtube for us foreign fans please?

gawthorpe_view · Post by **gawthorpe_view** » Mon May 08, 2017 7:46 am

I can't see it on catch up yet, linky dinky anyone please?

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Mon May 08, 2017 8:00 am

a level playing field in the 60's yer say!

...this is what it looks like now!

slw · Post by **slw** » Mon May 08, 2017 8:23 am

no need to wait for iplayer
http://lasthl.com/bbc-match-day-2-week-36-07052017/2/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

blackburnturfite · Post by **blackburnturfite** » Mon May 08, 2017 8:36 am

ClaretTony wrote:Who was the clown daring to compare Dyche with Harry Potts?

Everybody has a different view on things, (if we all thought the same way we'd only need one roll of carpet in the Showroom) wrong to call him a clown Tony, he was quite complimentary to both Managers and rightly so.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon May 08, 2017 8:44 am

blackburnturfite wrote:wrong to call him a clown Tony, he was quite complimentary to both Managers and rightly so.

I don't think I'm the first to have called him a clown

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Mon May 08, 2017 8:48 am

I quite liked that. I don't get the criticism. The whole point of the cobbled streets, hackneyed or not, was to link to Coleman's piece. Not hard to work out, is it ?

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Mon May 08, 2017 9:01 am

claretblue wrote:a level playing field in the 60's yer say!

...this is what it looks like now!

Great to watch Tony Livesey's piece last night. A nice surprise. I was expecting to see 4 goals and nothing more.

A sports research team have placed Burnley 3rd in table of achievers, taking into account financial resources and results. (WBA are top).

I agree that the playing field was more level when the max wage operated - the slope against us only started at the halfway line.

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claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Mon May 08, 2017 9:16 am

Paul Waine wrote:Great to watch Tony Livesey's piece last night. A nice surprise. I was expecting to see 4 goals and nothing more.

A sports research team have placed Burnley 3rd in table of achievers, taking into account financial resources and results. (WBA are top).

I agree that the playing field was more level when the max wage operated - the slope against us only started at the halfway line.

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That research was based on net spend, not wages, i dare say we would be top of the table for points per million spent on wages.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Mon May 08, 2017 9:25 am

Let's just enjoy the coverage - that's the most praise we've had on BBC since Bert Freeman was a lad

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Mon May 08, 2017 10:47 am

SalisburyClaret wrote:Let's just enjoy the coverage - that's the most praise we've had on BBC since Bert Freeman was a lad

Isn't it just. BTW, now on YouTube as well.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Mon May 08, 2017 1:27 pm

COBBLE wrote:I recognised the area around the Turf but where was the opening set. What's wrong with Townley Hall, our exceptional parks. Sorry Tony you went along with the producer's cheap, lazy idea. You sold out.

It was Piccadilly Rd above Manny Rd train station where it meets Albion Street and then the back street leading down onto Piccadilly from Carlton Road.
Think it was possibly where he lived as a kid as he showed a pic of himself as a kid.
I was just above on Harriet Street.
On the first view the corner shop on the left was a Post Office and the left the Launderette Corner was Mr Steeles shop, I remember it was painted green.
Like it or not it was and still is more reminiscent of Burnley than the excellent Towneley Park

mikeS · Post by **mikeS** » Mon May 08, 2017 1:36 pm

Saw Tony and his film crew outside the Fulledge Con on Saturday wondered what he was up to.

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Mon May 08, 2017 1:56 pm

you can argue the level playing field thing both ways. What SD has achieved in the current, uneven climate, is remarkable and well documented. So let's consider the level playing field circumstances.

It can be argued that with wage parity, and therefore to an extent on-field parity, the differentiation lies in the off-field competency - club management; general management; infrastructure and facilities; the ability to spot talent, young, and attract it; the ability to motivate/man-management, and so on

So it could be argued that SD's achievements are indeed higher as they relate directly to on-field performance, but allied to that is that his understanding and acceptance of financial limitations, yet still extracting performance, allowing the off-field infrastructure and financial management to have improved to where it is now, is INDEED a bigger achievement because his impact is deeper into the entity, Burnley Football Club than Potts ever achieved, even though the 1960 team won the league.

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Mon May 08, 2017 2:19 pm

In the 1960s Burnley led the way off the field too. Our need to continually sell to survive meant we needed off-field facilities better than other teams. Hence the creation of Gawthorpe, seen, at the time, as being a huge leap forward in training provision compared to existing facilities and a big selling point in attracting young talent.

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Tue May 09, 2017 10:17 pm

Now available in good quality, on iplayer, for the next few days. Starts at 55.20 or thereabouts..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... 7-07052017

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Tue May 09, 2017 10:20 pm

Clarets4me wrote:Now available in good quality, on iplayer, for the next few days. Starts at 55.20 or thereabouts..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... 7-07052017

51:20

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Tue May 09, 2017 10:28 pm

Clown

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Tue May 09, 2017 10:43 pm

Chester Perry wrote:51:20

Thick finger mis-type, Chester..

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed May 10, 2017 8:42 am

blackburnturfite wrote:Everybody has a different view on things, (if we all thought the same way we'd only need one roll of carpet in the Showroom) wrong to call him a clown Tony, he was quite complimentary to both Managers and rightly so.

That is CT on the video

CleggHall · Post by **CleggHall** » Wed May 10, 2017 10:08 am

Yes an excellent piece by Tony Livesey.
MOTD gets some stick on here but credit to them for putting this Burnley montage together at the end of our season. Keown and Neville said some nice things about Dyche, all true of course. Though I was there at the time, I can't believe the state of the muddy Turf Moor pitch back in the 60s.

whentheballmoves · Post by **whentheballmoves** » Wed May 10, 2017 10:15 am

I too enjoyed it, especially my 1-2 seconds on fame in the background!!!

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed May 10, 2017 3:01 pm

jdrobbo wrote:Clown

Behave jdrobbo - I got told off for calling him a clown

SparkyClaret · Post by **SparkyClaret** » Wed May 10, 2017 7:01 pm

Someone needs to sit Keown down and explain how to pronounce Dyche

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed May 10, 2017 9:52 pm

SparkyClaret wrote:Someone needs to sit Keown down and explain how to pronounce Dyche

I'm convinced he thinks he's talking about Liam Daish the ex-Birmingham centre half. Keown's efforts with Tarkowski were no better.

Man of Kent · Post by **Man of Kent** » Wed May 10, 2017 10:10 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:he worked for the daily sport, would sell his granny out for a cheap headline back then, no interest in the bloke. lucky man to be seen as a serious journo, initial career path was vapid in the extreme.

He started his career as a junior reporter at the Nelson Leader - a top quality newspaper then that also offered excellent training to young reporters. Hardly vapid.

Man of Kent · Post by **Man of Kent** » Wed May 10, 2017 10:11 pm

SparkyClaret wrote:Someone needs to sit Keown down and explain how to pronounce Dyche

He has previous for this. I think he does it on purpose, like Mick Channon's pronunciation of 'the boy' Linaaaaaykerrrr .

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Wed May 10, 2017 10:12 pm

SparkyClaret wrote:Someone needs to sit Keown down and explain how to pronounce Dyche

He wants his face setting fire to and then putting out with a golf shoe.

Oh hang on......

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Thu May 11, 2017 5:15 am

Great little feature. Always good to spot familiar faces in the background