How much £money have we made?

[mkmel]

With the 3 promotions to the Premier League and with it all of the money we get from Sky including the next 3 seasons money to come in how much approximately do you think will we will have accrued in that time period?

£500 M would be my guestimate or not far off that

[gawthorpe_view]

This season and the next will bring in at least a quarter of a billion pounds.
Mind blowing really.

[ClaretAndJew]

Madness to imagine the cost of running even a club like ours. Half a billion is about right in what we've made, give or take small margins. And yet, you'd expect that to mean massive wages and what not, but still no.

[bfcmik]

The 1st time they reckoned it was a £60 million game including parachute payments after, as happened, an immediate relegation.

Last time was around £60 million plus 1 year parachute payment of around £24 million.

This time we will get between £105 and £120 million depending on where we finish plus we get a minimum of £97 million for next season with guaranteed parachute payments if we are unsuccessful in avoiding relegation.

So A LOT is the answer. Probably around £400,000,000 total after next season

[mdd2]

You can bet that well over 90% of it will have been spent. After the first five years of money we were on our uppers with SD having to sell Austin and bring in freebies.What did we get? £36 million followed by £16,£16, £8 & £8 the first time Then was it £65million and £24 which would then have been £19.3,£9.6 &£9.6 had we stayed down
So looks like by the end of next season we will have had about £360-380 million.

[ElectroClaret]

Enough to drown everyone in Benedictine.

[COYC73]

More than B'stards will get in a lifetime of playing in League one .....

[Dark Cloud]

What is difficult is keeping people from getting greedy, getting their snouts in the trough and ultimately meaning that in reality the more successful you are the more a lot of it gets passed on pretty much straight away. Players and agents for example, know how much money there is swilling about so they just demand more of it. Other clubs inflate transfer fees. Hendrick and Brady didn't come cheap, nor Defour. Our board of directors have their heads well and truly screwed on, but balancing remaining competitive in the PL with actually banking a decent percentage of our vast income will not be at all easy.

[Royboyclaret]

Relatively easy DC.

Far more difficult when the jar is empty.

[ClaretMoffitt]

Relatively easy DC.

Far more difficult when the jar is empty.

Definitely this. Riches can be a burden, but they are a burden that everyone wants to have.

[Dark Cloud]

Relatively easy DC.

Far more difficult when the jar is empty.

Only easy Royboy if you're not prepared to be held to ransom, you set limits and parameters which you adhere to very strictly and ultimately you accept that success or your position at the top table is not worth jeapordising the club for. See Bolton, Portsmouth, Wolves, Rovers and more lately Sunderland and Swansea if they go down

[Sidney1st]

Garlick has a reputation for sticking to his budget for both fees and wages.

[Royboyclaret]

No decisions to make in regards who or when we pay back first.......We owe not a penny.

Wages are half that of any other PL club but are heavily weighted with incentive bonuses for achievement.

No transfer budget for the manager, he is now as financially sensible as the Board he reports to, and can spend as much as he feels is necessary.

Possibly the only decision, which for now can be placed on the backburner, is whether to replace two stands or build a mini-King Power stadium.

This is a proper club run by proper fans.

[jdrobbo]

I sincerely hope we develop new stands. The thought of playing at Crow-Wood terrifies me.

[Cirrus_Minor]

LOADSAMONEY!

[Dark Cloud]

No decisions to make in regards who or when we pay back first.......We owe not a penny.

Wages are half that of any other PL club but are heavily weighted with incentive bonuses for achievement.

No transfer budget for the manager, he is now as financially sensible as the Board he reports to, and can spend as much as he feels is necessary.

Possibly the only decision, which for now can be placed on the backburner, is whether to replace two stands or build a mini-King Power stadium.

This is a proper club run by proper fans.

You're spot on Royboy and I just hope it continues like that. My fear is that at some point in the future we will over extend ourselves in order to feel we're remaining competitive and it COULD go wrong. Ultimately we might have to accept a relegation somewhere down the line and view it not as a failure, but as a prudent use of our bank account. Other clubs find that bit very, very hard.

[gandhisflipflop]

No decisions to make in regards who or when we pay back first.......We owe not a penny.

Wages are half that of any other PL club but are heavily weighted with incentive bonuses for achievement.

No transfer budget for the manager, he is now as financially sensible as the Board he reports to, and can spend as much as he feels is necessary.

Possibly the only decision, which for now can be placed on the backburner, is whether to replace two stands or build a mini-King Power stadium.

This is a proper club run by proper fans.

Would a new stadium be even thought about at board level? I suspect there would be a lot of opposition to it

[Royboyclaret]

"Would a new stadium be even thought about at board level?"

Absolutely it would........and next year might well be the time whilst finance is still available.

[Dressinggown]

"Would a new stadium be even thought about at board level?"

Absolutely it would........and next year might well be the time whilst finance is still available.

I hope not.

[bedfords]

Time for a Walker Watch to acknowledge the day that we've had considerably more money than the bastards.

[cricketfieldclarets]

No decisions to make in regards who or when we pay back first.......We owe not a penny.

Wages are half that of any other PL club but are heavily weighted with incentive bonuses for achievement.

No transfer budget for the manager, he is now as financially sensible as the Board he reports to, and can spend as much as he feels is necessary.

Possibly the only decision, which for now can be placed on the backburner, is whether to replace two stands or build a mini-King Power stadium.

This is a proper club run by proper fans.

Theres not much id protest about. But a new stadium is one thing.

[Claretforever]

Roughly:

2009/10: £33,899,704
2010/11: £15,031,094
2011/12: £12,219,732
1012/13: £5,754,692 (+ £4.3m overseas?)
2013/14: £5,754,692 (assumption as above)
2014/15: £65,383,750
2015/16: £25,937,356
2016/17: £105,000,000 (assumed 16th)
2017/18: £97,000,000 (assumed bottom)
2018/19: £46,750,000 (assumption 55% of equal figure)
2019/20: £38,250,000 (assumption 45% of equal figure)
2020/21: £17,000,000 (assumption 20% of equal figure)

Total to 2017 = approx. £268m
Total by 2021 = approx. £438m

Hopefully it will be a lot more!

[duncandisorderly]

I would imagine a new stadium is under serious consideration, given the respective value for money betwixt redevelopment and new shiny.

£40-50m (based on St Mary's costing £35m 15 (?) years ago), gets you a relatively bespoke 25,000 seater with better disabled facilities, car parking, away fan access, corporate areas, sponsorship, summer time use etc plus the sale of Turf Moor and the land.
How much for a redevelopment of the two stands? £20m?

I'm not saying I'd be for the idea, but better people than me will be thinking about it.

[bob-the-scutter]

Time for a Walker Watch to acknowledge the day that we've had considerably more money than the bastards.

And it`s ALL been worked hard for and genuinely earned without an ego-tripping self-obsessed sugar daddy!

[Rick_Muller]

We could ask to host the Olympics or the Commonwealth games and get us a brand new stadium paid for by the taxpayers...

nah... Turf Moor is why I still love football, because it has the history associated with it. I've been to plastic bowl stadia (Reading; Southampton; Arsenal etc) and they have nothing compared to Turf Moor. I would welcome development though, starting with a new Cricket Field End Kop with safe standing should that be allowed; and I would consider the possibility of replacing the roof on Bob Lord (not raising it with more seats, that would obscure the view from the Longside) only to remove the pillars, and then finally filling in the corners should the capacity be required.

[randomclaret2]

Claretforevers post should be read alongside the Orient game thread. Imagine if someone had to!d us 30 years ago those amounts of money would be coming into our club ! Mind boggling stuff ...

[aggi]

We've got carried away in the past, a transfer embargo, selling turf moor for working capital. Some of the personnel have changed, some have remained the same but there's no guarantee it won't happen again as the amounts that we are earning becomes normalised. Hopefully not, but you can never rule out that extra stretch.

As for the ground, a lot of the incentive of developing new stadiums is the chance of selling the old ground for a pretty penny. At Burnley I'm not sure if that demand is there (or at least is sufficient to make it worth the while). Plus I believe there's a covenant on the land which means it can only be used for sporting purposes.

[IanMcL]

We have to remember that we are a tiny town amongst big cities with the ability to attract investment. We can only rely on locals. Their task is to build a squad which can keep us up but one which will not sunk us if we go down. We have a 'Championship plus' squad at present. We will move to a Prem squad little by little. That is when it becomes fatal to go down. Fingers crossed.

[Wile E Coyote]

i know little about football finances, but one thing seems clear, absolutely no need whatsoever to even consider a new stadium anywhere, anytime.
Turf is unique and totally practical as a venue. We havent got anymore fans hidden away to warrant ideas of additional seats. Non starter as an idea.
That would be wasting money.

[Claretforever]

I've commented on the increased capacity a number of times, and although I believe our capacity is there or thereabouts, if we are to stay in the PL then an increase by 2-3,000 as part of any redevelopment work wouldn't be underused at the top level. Any more and we'd be in Blackburn's position.

Regarding new stadiums that would never work at Burnley. There isn't a lot going on in the town, let's be fair, and the club is everything to some, and something to everyone. Where it lies, close to the town centre and local population, is likely why we still maintain relatively healthy crowds at various levels. When things aren't so good you rely on the immediate fanbase, and it's more difficult not to go when it's on your doorstep.

Even if it costs us the same as a new stadium, I'd much rather we redeveloped the current ground than upsticks. I think that could lead to disaster in a town like Burnley, moving to the outskirts with no infrastructure around it.

[HatfieldClaret]

I assume football clubs pay some sort of corporation tax. Unless they run at a loss of course.

[bfcmik]

We wouldn't need to move to the outskirts as land in Burnley is not at a premium. A new stadium could be placed by Burnley Central station, on the old Massey's brewery site, further up Westgate on the railway side, between Accrington Rd and Barracks Station (which would have the advantage of being by a railway station and a motorway junction).

However, I would really like us to stay at Turf Moor. It is the 2nd oldest ground in the whole football pyramid after Deepdale and fits our current needs.

[bfcmik]

I assume football clubs pay some sort of corporation tax. Unless they run at a loss of course.

Past losses can be used to offset current profits.

[aggi]

Past losses can be used to offset current profits.

They can, but we only have £2.3 million of losses to offset.

[Man of Kent]

Garlick has a reputation for sticking to his budget for both fees and wages.

The biggest danger to the club and its healthy cash situation is not only the failure to stick to budgets Sid but where the club chooses to invest all of that excess cash. The money that isn't blown on inflated wages cannot just be kept in the bank. It has to be invested to produce long-term income and growth. Let's hope they get that one right.

[Sidney1st]

They have done so far, look at Gawthorpe and the youth set up.
Prior to that they installed the Desso at Turf Moor.

Next along will be improved facilities for disabled supporters.

Whilst that's going on, the squad will get improved, the youth set up will have continuous investment etc.

They'll just have money set aside for a rainy day so to speak.

[Walton]

There's absolutely no need to move from the Turf.

[Wile E Coyote]

i bought a pie last match, that needs to be accounted for, surely near enough for a new striker.