If Trump came to the UK...

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Wed May 10, 2017 12:07 pm

...would you run out to show him what you think?

Personally, I've never despised a politician as much. The depths that he sinks to is beyond belief and yes, I think I might go protest! America needs to see what the rest of the World thinks of him.

lucs86 · Post by **lucs86** » Wed May 10, 2017 12:10 pm

I've never been to a protest in my life but I think I would

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Wed May 10, 2017 12:13 pm

What if he comes to buy a golf course

WestMidsClaret · Post by **WestMidsClaret** » Wed May 10, 2017 12:14 pm

claretdom wrote:What if he comes to buy a golf course

The way he's going he'll need a bunker or 2!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed May 10, 2017 12:18 pm

Probably not. As a violent, hateful liberal i think the urge to beat people up would overcome me and i'd get myself into trouble with the law. I say "violent" and "hateful" but maybe there are other things i am too. I'll be sure to ask Moffitt and Damo what they are. What I do know is that i'm the cause of all the wests problems one way or another. Not Trump voters. Or Brexit voters. Or Le Pen voters. Or Islamists. Or Putin's enablers. It's liberals.

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Wed May 10, 2017 12:19 pm

Protesting against what exactly? Because he doesn't share the same political values as yourself? I detest corbyn but if he came to Burnley I'd ignore him and let him get on with it. To protest against a politician is to protest against free speech, something that is diminishing by the year in its own subtle way

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed May 10, 2017 12:21 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:To protest against a politician is to protest against free speech, ...

Does anyone else want to field this one? I get into trouble replying to stupidity like this.

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Wed May 10, 2017 12:23 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Does anyone else want to field this one? I get into trouble replying to stupidity like this.

Ah IT with another post of personal abuse. And carefully selective of my quote. You must be so proud.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed May 10, 2017 12:33 pm

Yes, i selected the most stupid part of an all round pretty stupid post. But lets try it with all of it, shall we?

gandhisflipflop wrote:Protesting against what exactly? Because he doesn't share the same political values as yourself? I detest corbyn but if he came to Burnley I'd ignore him and let him get on with it. To protest against a politician is to protest against free speech, something that is diminishing by the year in its own subtle way

Does anyone else want to field this one? I get into trouble replying to stupidity like this.

Oh look, it works just as well.

Maybe try to think about what you're saying in future so that you don't say stupid things like protesting against a politician is to protest against free speech. Because although i don't know you i can't imagine you've said many more stupid things in your life. If you want to take this as a personal insult then by all means, go for it, but it's only offensive if you are an over-sensitive moron who thinks that when someone criticises your opinion they're criticising you personally.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Wed May 10, 2017 12:34 pm

Would I protest? Nope.

I honestly couldn't give a shiny shite what that pumped up bag of wind and his stupid y'all followers who elevated him into his position do or say. People seem surprised that this historic narcissistic ego-maniac seems to be pandering to his own ego and basically running America like his own personal plaything - which everyone outside of Stupidsville, Arizona knew he would.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed May 10, 2017 12:38 pm

Braindead wrote:Would I protest? Nope.

I honestly couldn't give a shiny shite what that pumped up bag of wind and his stupid y'all followers who elevated him into his position do or say. People seem surprised that this historic narcissistic ego-maniac seems to be pandering to his own ego and basically running America like his own personal plaything - which everyone outside of Stupidsville, Arizona knew he would.

His supporters are torn between continuing to support someone who obviously tricked them into voting for him with lies, and admitting that those liberals that they hate so much were right about him all along. It's pretty funny to watch, from a thousands of miles away, and an ocean.

northernpowerhouse · Post by **northernpowerhouse** » Wed May 10, 2017 12:42 pm

It's not his horrible opinions that I'd protest against, it's everything else. His chronic lying, his childish ego, the blatant corruption, the authoritarian tendencies. The fact that he's the president of the USA and everything he says is meaningless. Having an unpredictable lunatic as president is bad for everyone. The Republican sycophants will realise this sooner or later.

HelloHiGoodbye · Post by **HelloHiGoodbye** » Wed May 10, 2017 12:53 pm

I'm not a violent or aggressive person but I don't think I could resist the urge to shout the c-word in his general direction.

lovebeingaclaret · Post by **lovebeingaclaret** » Wed May 10, 2017 12:58 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:His supporters are torn between continuing to support someone who obviously tricked them into voting for him with lies, and admitting that those liberals that they hate so much were right about him all along. It's pretty funny to watch, from a thousands of miles away, and an ocean.

See!!!!!!

How can you possibly debate successfully with IT when he personally knows every Trump supporter?

lovebeingaclaret · Post by **lovebeingaclaret** » Wed May 10, 2017 1:00 pm

HelloHiGoodbye wrote:I'm not a violent or aggressive person but I don't think I could resist the urge to shout the c-word in his general direction.

WOW!!!!!

Now that is gonna cause Trump a problem.

The FULL c-word.

HelloHiGoodbye · Post by **HelloHiGoodbye** » Wed May 10, 2017 1:01 pm

lovebeingaclaret wrote:WOW!!!!!

Now that is gonna cause Trump a problem.

The FULL c-word.

Sorry, bear with me please, where did I say it was going to cause him a problem?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed May 10, 2017 1:05 pm

lovebeingaclaret wrote:See!!!!!!

How can you possibly debate successfully with IT when he personally knows every Trump supporter?

Almost as difficult as debating someone who thinks you have to know every Trump supporter before you're allowed to make a general statement about how Trump supporters think.

You've set the bar now, so i trust you'll never make any generalisations of any large number of people ever again, lest I be there ready to be fake amazed that you know each and every one of them.

Hey! This is your dumb precedent we're teeing off from. Lets see how much fun we can have with it.

Edit: Note how i spell "precedent" as opposed to how your god-king spells it; "president".

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Wed May 10, 2017 1:06 pm

I guess you can interpret anti-Trump protests in two ways. Protesting against him personally or his position is pretty pointless - it's up to America to elect their president and if they choose to have a corrupt, narcissistic, hypocritical, perpetually lying, nationalist, tangerine lunatic as their leader that's their business. Protesting against our own government for giving him the time of day, however, would be perfectly valid.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed May 10, 2017 1:07 pm

HelloHiGoodbye wrote:Sorry, bear with me please, where did I say it was going to cause him a problem?

I think lovebeingaclaret is a fan of Trump. He's getting inordinately upset at criticism of him.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed May 10, 2017 1:11 pm

I don't get excited about seeing any dignitaries, let alone the US president.

I'd carry on doing whatever I was doing, I'd let the unwashed and the indignant go out and protest on my behalf if they feel the need to do so.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed May 10, 2017 1:13 pm

It's trendy nowadays to complain about protestors.

HelloHiGoodbye · Post by **HelloHiGoodbye** » Wed May 10, 2017 1:18 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I don't get excited about seeing any dignitaries, let alone the US president.

I'd carry on doing whatever I was doing, I'd let the unwashed and the indignant go out and protest on my behalf if they feel the need to do so.

I think your computer or your phone has automatically changed 'compassionate' and 'considerate' to 'unwashed' and 'indignant'. Technology eh?

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed May 10, 2017 1:19 pm

Bacchus wrote:Protesting against our own government for giving him the time of day, however, would be perfectly valid.

I would definitely disagree with you there. Cutting off relations with the USA because we don't like the way their populace voted? Not sensible. Remember we still have to deal with them after Trump has gone.

I'm not a serial protester myself. I didn't protest when the Chinese leader came, for example, or Pinochet, or numerous other far-from-ideal world leaders; so I'm certainly not going to protest about the American.

HelloHiGoodbye · Post by **HelloHiGoodbye** » Wed May 10, 2017 1:24 pm

Bacchus wrote:I guess you can interpret anti-Trump protests in two ways. Protesting against him personally or his position is pretty pointless - it's up to America to elect their president and if they choose to have a corrupt, narcissistic, hypocritical, perpetually lying, nationalist, tangerine lunatic as their leader that's their business. Protesting against our own government for giving him the time of day, however, would be perfectly valid.

If people don't like the 'leader of the free world', 'the most powerful man on the planet' - then they should let him know, if that's what they want to do, I'm certainly not going to be all "er ma gahd protesting's so uncool, look at me here not caring about anything, what a cool cat".

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Wed May 10, 2017 1:28 pm

HelloHiGoodbye wrote:If people don't like the 'leader of the free world', 'the most powerful man on the planet' - then they should definitely, definitely let him know.

What by calling him a C*** from the back of the crowd !

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Wed May 10, 2017 1:30 pm

dsr wrote:I would definitely disagree with you there. Cutting off relations with the USA because we don't like the way their populace voted? Not sensible. Remember we still have to deal with them after Trump has gone.

Which, of course, will in all likelihood be 4 years at most. We're hardly likely to have permanently damaged our relationship with an entire nation, historically our closest ally, by refusing to indulge the worst president in its history. Arguably their is more risk involved in associating ourselves with him given that pretty much the entire world thinks he's a dick.

I know a key part of Brexit theory is that we'll just trade with America instead of Europe and that would involve being close to Trump, but I think his America First stance has pretty much ended that pipe dream anyway (in the short term at least) so we're better off treating him with the contempt he deserves and hoping that the American people get shut of him sooner rather than later.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Wed May 10, 2017 1:31 pm

The likelihood of him coming to Burnley is pretty remote.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Wed May 10, 2017 1:32 pm

HelloHiGoodbye wrote:If people don't like the 'leader of the free world', 'the most powerful man on the planet' - then they should let him know, if that's what they want to do, I'm certainly not going to be all "er ma gahd protesting's so uncool, look at me here not caring about anything, what a cool cat".

You fill your boots. He won't care a jot.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed May 10, 2017 1:35 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:The likelihood of him coming to Burnley is pretty remote.

We have a golf course so it's not that unlikely.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed May 10, 2017 1:38 pm

HelloHiGoodbye wrote:I think your computer or your phone has automatically changed 'compassionate' and 'considerate' to 'unwashed' and 'indignant'. Technology eh?

HelloHiGoodbye wrote: If people don't like the 'leader of the free world', 'the most powerful man on the planet' - then they should let him know, if that's what they want to do, I'm certainly not going to be all "er ma gahd protesting's so uncool, look at me here not caring about anything, what a cool cat".

I think he knows people don't like him, there have been plenty of protests about him around the world, he probably gets briefed on them when they're of a reasonable size.

Personally I'll either be at work if it's in the week, or with my kids if it's the weekend, much better ways to spend to time.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed May 10, 2017 1:39 pm

Bacchus wrote:Which, of course, will in all likelihood be 4 years at most. We're hardly likely to have permanently damaged our relationship with an entire nation, historically our closest ally, by refusing to indulge the worst president in its history. Arguably their is more risk involved in associating ourselves with him given that pretty much the entire world thinks he's a dick.

That's impressive to become the worst President in their history in just a few short months.

What's he done to earn that title?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed May 10, 2017 1:45 pm

Sidney1st wrote:That's impressive to become the worst President in their history in just a few short months.

What's he done to earn that title?

Well, he's kicking tens of millions off their health insurance and making sure that people such as rape victims have to pay through the vagina for it as a pre-existing condition. I think that alone would be enough to make him a pretty terrible president. Certainly the worst since Nixon. Possibly even the worst since Trump's idol, Andrew Jackson. It's almost certainly the worst start to a presidency any of them have ever had (except that one who died about 82 days in, his was probably pretty rough. edit: it was 30 days)

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed May 10, 2017 1:50 pm

I'm still impressed that he's the worst ever in the 40 odd they've had.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Wed May 10, 2017 1:53 pm

Sidney1st wrote:That's impressive to become the worst President in their history in just a few short months.

What's he done to earn that title?

Look at his approval ratings for a start. Or the fact that he can't even get his key policies through court. Or the fact that he is widely considered to be corrupt and has been continually proven to be an out and out liar. But yeah, if you like, I should give him a chance to really cause some damage and let him prove beyond question that he's the worst president ever before officially anointing him as such.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed May 10, 2017 2:01 pm

Like Sydney says. Going off facts, What has he actually done so far?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed May 10, 2017 2:02 pm

Bacchus wrote:Look at his approval ratings for a start. Or the fact that he can't even get his key policies through court. Or the fact that he is widely considered to be corrupt and has been continually proven to be an out and out liar. But yeah, if you like, I should give him a chance to really cause some damage and let him prove beyond question that he's the worst president ever before officially anointing him as such.

I've highlighted the important part for you and yes he probably will end up being a rubbish president, but sticking him with the label now when he's got competition for the job.....

Bush lied about the war he took us all into.
Clinton lied about smashing Lewinsky and his wife blocked all accusations of alleged sexual assualts from his time as State Governer wasn't it?
Nixon - Watergate.

They all lie to varying degrees.

He's considered to be corrupt, but has it been proven yet?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed May 10, 2017 2:03 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Like Sydney says. Going off facts, What has he actually done so far?

He's ****** everyone off by getting the job is the main factor in being labeled as the worst one ever from what I've seen.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed May 10, 2017 2:06 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I'm still impressed that he's the worst ever in the 40 odd they've had.

Depends how it's measured but i can understand some reasoning. If you base all presidencies on modern standards then obviously very President who didn't abolish slavery would be worse. If you base it on entire presidencies then probably Bush, Nixon, Tyler, Hoover and a bunch of others have been worse than Trumps (if Trump's ended now). But if it's based on their relative successes and failures then Trump's is pretty high on the list of the worst. But it's subjective. I could even make an argument that he's both the one of the least consequential presidents (getting things done), or one of the most consequential presidents (stirred public engagement in politics) if i wanted to, depending on how i look at it. One thing's for sure though, he's one of the most obviously corrupt presidents and he makes almost no attempt to hide it with his cabinet picks and who he hires to advise him.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed May 10, 2017 2:12 pm

Ah so he's obviously corrupt by giving people he knows jobs?

Success and failures in the course of a few months earns him a place on the top of the list?

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Wed May 10, 2017 2:12 pm

Do we have a long history of lining the streets to boo an American president ?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed May 10, 2017 2:15 pm

What's funny is that voting in Trump was being hailed as a new world order, like Brexit, in that the people were sick of the so-called "Establishment".

Highly amusing that it's going to go wrong for him as a result!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed May 10, 2017 2:26 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Ah so he's obviously corrupt by giving people he knows jobs?

Yes. He's given cabinet posts to inexperienced billionaires who supported him and and even people who have previously called for the abolition of the departments of which he has appointed them the leader. He chose a racist as AG who couldn't even get appointed to the federal bench because of his racist views. He's hired his family to basically run the white house. But on top of that he's refused to release tax returns like every other presidential candidate has for the past 40-or-so years because he's frightened of us seeing what's in them. He promised to place his business interests into a blind trust upon taking the presidency even though what he described as a blind trust wasn't a blind trust, and even then he has even done what he promised. He's using government for personal profit by visiting commertial properties he still owns and profiting from it. And this is all just off the top of my head. If i thought you weren't trolling i'd spend some time on google and try to show you why i think he's obviously corrupt. But i no longer think you're asking me anything in good faith.

He's doing all this in front of our faces so yes, he's obviously corrupt because if we know he's doing this much what do you think he's doing behind closed doors?

Success and failures in the course of a few months earns him a place on the top of the list?

Yes. He has no successes, only failures. So far. So based on his success to failure ratio he's pretty ****.

HelloHiGoodbye · Post by **HelloHiGoodbye** » Wed May 10, 2017 2:26 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:What by calling him a C*** from the back of the crowd !

Maybe. That comment's surprisingly riled people up.

HelloHiGoodbye · Post by **HelloHiGoodbye** » Wed May 10, 2017 2:28 pm

Bacchus wrote:You fill your boots. He won't care a jot.

Okay. Where've I said that he'll specifically care? You know when people have opinions on which player Sean Dyche picks, there're line up threads every week on this message board, well guess what, Sean Dyche doesn't care a jot. But people still do it. In fact, it's admittedly a restricted analogy because thousands of people showing their disdain for a person might gradually have an affect somewhere down the chain.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed May 10, 2017 2:32 pm

Oh yeah, and he fired the guy leading an investigation into just how ******* corrupt he is.

But maybe i'm wrong, Sidney. Maybe Trump is on the level.

gawthorpe_view · Post by **gawthorpe_view** » Wed May 10, 2017 2:33 pm

He can come round to my house for a brew if he wants.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Wed May 10, 2017 2:34 pm

HelloHiGoodbye wrote:Okay. Where've I said that he'll specifically care? You know when people have opinions on which player Sean Dyche picks, there're line up threads every week on this message board, well guess what, Sean Dyche doesn't care a jot. But people still do it.

Sure. There's probably a difference between discussing a common interest and going out onto the streets to protest against someone you dislike but you're right that neither will change anything and we're all perfectly at liberty to do either.

HelloHiGoodbye · Post by **HelloHiGoodbye** » Wed May 10, 2017 2:36 pm

Bacchus wrote:Sure. There's probably a difference between discussing a common interest and going out onto the streets to protest against someone you dislike but you're right that neither will change anything and we're all perfectly at liberty to do either.

Cool.

BigChaCha · Post by **BigChaCha** » Wed May 10, 2017 2:57 pm

Seems like a good egg to me.

boiledclaret · Post by **boiledclaret** » Wed May 10, 2017 2:58 pm

HelloHiGoodbye wrote:I'm not a violent or aggressive person but I don't think I could resist the urge to shout the c-word in his general direction.

Best strategy would be reverse psychology.
Turn up with a loud speaker and announce that 'The Donald' is the greatest thing that's happened to America cos he don't pander to the fat cats. Bellow that, 'the Clintons and the Bushs should all be rotting in a jail cell and that Don baby is the real deal.' Get some of your mates (who are strategically placed in different parts of the room) to act aggressive and threaten you (doubt you'd need a plant though) and try to get a free for all going.

Your mates become more animated and praise the Clintons and especially the Bushs to the skies for their stance on national security whilst humiliating Trump in the bargain. Eventually Trumps ego kicks in and he blows up on the podium, wailing

"Lemme me tell you guys a thing or two about the Clintons! You think I'm the bad guy? oh yeah, well lemme rap about Bush, huh!

By the time he realizes whats happening he's given away national secrets and info of solid gold.

Won't happen now though. Not after I've disclosed it on the worlds greatest football forum, doh.