NHS Attacked

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri May 12, 2017 4:03 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-39899646" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Why didn't Corbyn prevent it?

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Fri May 12, 2017 4:12 pm

A deliberate cyber attack by the tories wiping out all of the data on A & E waiting times and number of weeks to see a GP.

At least we now know what the extra £50m a day can be spent on.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri May 12, 2017 4:31 pm

Looks like a ransomware attack. It's difficult to overstate how huge this could become.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... ?CMP=fb_gu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Fri May 12, 2017 4:33 pm

"We are currently experiencing significant problems with our IT"

We share your pain brother

Better Call Saul · Post by **Better Call Saul** » Fri May 12, 2017 4:41 pm

I had an appointment at the doctors this afternoon and when I walked into the waiting room it was completely empty. Usually you are lucky to get a seat! As I was only having my blood pressure checked, the nurse wrote the reading down instead of recording it on the computer and told me that all the computers were down. I guess all the other appointments had been cancelled.

brexit · Post by **brexit** » Fri May 12, 2017 4:52 pm

MS17-10 SMBv1 exploit https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/lib ... 7-010.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If you use microsoft expect attacks software is riddled with holes.
They were warned
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03 ... -patients/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Fri May 12, 2017 5:00 pm

claretdom wrote:"We are currently experiencing significant problems with our IT"

We share your pain brother

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Fri May 12, 2017 5:26 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Looks like a ransomware attack.

Good job we've got that extra £350m a week coming in, that'll cover it I reckon.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Fri May 12, 2017 5:29 pm

brexit wrote:MS17-10 SMBv1 exploit https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/lib ... 7-010.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If you use microsoft expect attacks software is riddled with holes.
They were warned
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03 ... -patients/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

has that exploit been confirmed as the source of this attack? and your second point, all unpatched OSes are full of holes, not just MS

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri May 12, 2017 5:40 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:has that exploit been confirmed as the source of this attack? and your second point, all unpatched OSes are full of holes, not just MS

No, it hasn't. Brexit doesn't know what he's on about. His anti-Microsoft complaint tells us that. He'll be a Mac fanboi no doubt.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Fri May 12, 2017 5:41 pm

found it for myself IT (ironically I didn't check your link!) - for those interested...

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... crypt0r-20" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://intel.malwaretech.com/botnet/wcrypt" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Fri May 12, 2017 5:45 pm

Better Call Saul wrote:I guess all the other appointments had been cancelled.

Perhaps all the other people had been cancelled.

You'll get it if you've seen The Truman Show (Jim Carrey)

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri May 12, 2017 5:53 pm

If this **** fascinates you you should watch a documentary called Zero Days.

clarethomer · Post by **clarethomer** » Fri May 12, 2017 5:59 pm

How bizarre, I had never heard of this company until today..

TPP the provider of the software have a massive advert running for grads to join them. The only reason I noticed the ad was because they had plastered across the billboard in 10 ft letters that they were offering jobs for £36k with no experience

I wondered who this tpp were out of curiosity because a job with no experience paying 36k seemed too good to be true.. Anyway, I looked at their website on the train home and saw the following as a benefit of working there

At TPP we value our employees and believe that everyone should be given responsibility and the opportunity to shine. As well as great careers, our employees are rewarded for their hard work with perks such as pub Fridays and fantastic holiday entitlement. Other benefits include:

Good luck NHS...

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Fri May 12, 2017 6:03 pm

Is brexit getting the blame for this as well ?

Vintage Claret · Post by **Vintage Claret** » Fri May 12, 2017 6:07 pm

The East Lancs Trust has been hit badly.

My wife works at BGH and all their computer systems including the phones went down around lunchtime

Hope they manage to get the systems back on line soon as obviously it will have a knock on effect the longer it goes on.

brexit · Post by **brexit** » Fri May 12, 2017 6:18 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:found it for myself IT (ironically I didn't check your link!) - for those interested...

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... crypt0r-20" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://intel.malwaretech.com/botnet/wcrypt" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That is the ransomware it was spread by the SMB exploit which is the major issue. That is why it spread qucikly.
Not all OS's are vulnerable Linux and Unix based servers are more secure.
So get your facts straight

brexit · Post by **brexit** » Fri May 12, 2017 6:20 pm

claretandy wrote:Is brexit getting the blame for this as well ?

Apparently

But how does this affect the Defour situation?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri May 12, 2017 6:23 pm

We had a Ransome ware attack at work when one of the managers clicked on a link in an email without thinking about it.

Half a day of not doing much was quite nice, but they had to rebuild his PC, it was completely corrupted.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Fri May 12, 2017 6:49 pm

brexit wrote:That is the ransomware it was spread by the SMB exploit which is the major issue. That is why it spread qucikly.
Not all OS's are vulnerable Linux and Unix based servers are more secure.
So get your facts straight

My first query was trying to establish the facts, and my point about all OSes is still valid. The primary reason non-windows devices appear more secure is because they aren't as popular and as such aren't targeted as much.

Really there's no need for any animosity about it.

For the record I am a systems specialist in VDI so I do know a fair bit about desktop and server security, mainly Windows OS, but others too.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Fri May 12, 2017 6:53 pm

Vintage Claret wrote:The East Lancs Trust has been hit badly.

My wife works at BGH and all their computer systems including the phones went down around lunchtime

Hope they manage to get the systems back on line soon as obviously it will have a knock on effect the longer it goes on.

Yeah BGH started to be hit around 11. Made its way down the M65 to RBH little later.

People being advised not to attend ED/UCCs unless absolutely necessary - obviously not everybody is listening

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri May 12, 2017 6:55 pm

brexit wrote:That is the ransomware it was spread by the SMB exploit which is the major issue. That is why it spread qucikly.
Not all OS's are vulnerable Linux and Unix based servers are more secure.
So get your facts straight

Linux and Unix systems are more secure because they don't try to do a lot. It's like saying a panic room is more secure than a multistorey office block therefore all businesses should work out of panic rooms. While it's true that they're more secure, the typical user can't do much in them.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri May 12, 2017 7:26 pm

How long before this government uses this to launch another attack on encryption? I give it less than 48 hours before someone uses this.

ClaretDiver · Post by **ClaretDiver** » Fri May 12, 2017 7:28 pm

Just had a message from a friend of mine who is a leading Cyber Security expert and he has suggested that if you are running Windows on any device at all then update immediately....

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri May 12, 2017 7:33 pm

ClaretDiver wrote:Just had a message from a friend of mine who is a leading Cyber Security expert and he has suggested that if you are running Windows on any device at all then update immediately....

That's good advice no matter what day it is.

ClaretDiver · Post by **ClaretDiver** » Fri May 12, 2017 7:35 pm

I am aware of that IT but the amount of people who don't is amazing. Also, according to him, the NSA have known about this exploit for a while and have been 'stockpiling' it for their own future use. It got leaked and now this.....

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri May 12, 2017 7:57 pm

ClaretDiver wrote:I am aware of that IT but the amount of people who don't is amazing. Also, according to him, the NSA have known about this exploit for a while and have been 'stockpiling' it for their own future use. It got leaked and now this.....

Just another argument for not locking up or suing ethical hackers.

ClaretDiver · Post by **ClaretDiver** » Fri May 12, 2017 7:58 pm

Agreed, my friend is one of the UK's leading Whitehat hackers....

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Fri May 12, 2017 8:00 pm

And a couple of days ago I got the forms to be able to access my own medical records on-line. Guess I don't need to spend time filling in the form now.

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Fri May 12, 2017 8:22 pm

Is this hacker selling cheap sneakers by any chance? If so I think I have seen him before

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri May 12, 2017 8:24 pm

ClaretDiver wrote:Agreed, my friend is one of the UK's leading Whitehat hackers....

I know.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri May 12, 2017 8:28 pm

ClaretDiver wrote:Just had a message from a friend of mine who is a leading Cyber Security expert and he has suggested that if you are running Windows on any device at all then update immediately....

Ah our IT department did all ours the other day, something about issues with Windows Defender.

basil6345789 · Post by **basil6345789** » Fri May 12, 2017 9:36 pm

Hackers come from anywhere but disproportionate numbers come from Nigerua and Parkistaneoo - time to stop foreign aid and think about nuking them or at least sentencing them to 50 years in jail.

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Fri May 12, 2017 10:50 pm

basil6345789 wrote:time to stop foreign aid and think about nuking them or at least sentencing them to 50 years in jail.

Well that was quite the comedown.

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Fri May 12, 2017 10:54 pm

Before all the conspiracy theories come out, yes it is "Teresa May and the Russians" all because they are going to kick us out of the Eurovision

ClaretDiver · Post by **ClaretDiver** » Fri May 12, 2017 11:01 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I know.

Hmmm...either a clever play or I know you...do I know you? I have suspicions!!

Zesty · Post by **Zesty** » Fri May 12, 2017 11:16 pm

Not linked with this directly but there's likely to be more of these kind of attacks so don't click any dodgy links in your emails or on websites !!

ClaretDiver · Post by **ClaretDiver** » Fri May 12, 2017 11:24 pm

Zesty wrote:Not linked with this directly but there's likely to be more of these kind of attacks so don't click any dodgy links in your emails or on websites !!

You would be surprised.......link this with a mass denial of service utilising infected PC's and you have a global meltdown on a scale never seen before!!

brexit · Post by **brexit** » Fri May 12, 2017 11:27 pm

Love the total ******** on here again much fun yet
1) Working for a terminal server company that uses crappy citrix to connect to generic windows 8 images doesn't make you an IT expert.
2) Most "hackers" aren't hackers they are teenage script kiddies who download an exploit kit for 60 Euros from a belarussian website link. Hide as a link redirect the payment to a bitcoin account, spam email a tempting offer such as you have won an iphone to 1000000 email addresses and hope they get lucky. Oh and it is spelt nigeria. Bangladesh is where most of the coders in asia are Pakistan has virtually no IT infrastructure - that's why Bin Laden was talking to the world on 9600 baud modem.
3) There are no such people as white hats or blackhats just security experts -Mr Robot is a TV series and not real.
4) Linux is used on 95% of computing devices i.e. all android phones, most servers in commercial companies, your sky and tivo boxes. Linux is inherently safe because unlike MS you do not run programs with full privileges to hardware by default.
5) Macs are as bad as Microsoft for security holes but there are so few of them in use it is not worth the hassle of developing malware.

But on the bright side the "hackers" want 300 euros to decrypt the NHS files but 600K Euros to decrypt Telefonicas files. That must tell you something about the NHS.

My qualifications I work for CERT at Carnegie Mellon

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Fri May 12, 2017 11:28 pm

Windows 10 has just taken 2 days to update on my laptop, so how long would it take the NHS's 10's of thousands of machines, it's all Microsoft bloody fault.

ClaretDiver · Post by **ClaretDiver** » Fri May 12, 2017 11:37 pm

brexit wrote: 3) There are no such people as white hats or blackhats just security experts -Mr Robot is a TV series and not real.

I am quite aware that Mr Robot is fictional however, the terms are real. They are used within the industry...widely! Seems strange that one of the most respected 'security experts' would use the term himself....this would be Professor Alan Woodward...just saying!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat May 13, 2017 12:52 am

ClaretDiver wrote:Hmmm...either a clever play or I know you...do I know you? I have suspicions!!

Just a clever play.

i'm not a 1337 haxxor

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Sat May 13, 2017 12:44 pm

brexit wrote:My qualifications I work for CERT at Carnegie Mellon

I said previously that I don't understand your need for animosity, but I really don't like your tone.

Dare I ask which toilets you clean there? The reason I ask is because you appear to have plenty of sh!t flowing through you fingers onto this thread.

Please, just stop trying to make out you're the billy big boll0x knowing everything, a lot of what you refer to is fairly accurate, but what you can't do is dismiss the opinions of others who you deem to be less informed.

I cannot tell you where I work, because it would breach my security clearance. What I can say is that I have colleagues who are unknown in the field of Cyber Security, and they like to keep it that way. I am just a VDI system specialist, but I don't work with Citrix, nor do I deploy to dodgy windows 8 boxes, I engineer extremely secure application and desktop delivery to a very secure organisation, but hey hats off to you for being better than me...

Croydon Claret · Post by **Croydon Claret** » Sat May 13, 2017 1:33 pm

CnBtruntru wrote:Windows 10 has just taken 2 days to update on my laptop, so how long would it take the NHS's 10's of thousands of machines, it's all Microsoft bloody fault.

My partner works in the NHS in Surrey. In her hospital they've only just finished upgrading from Vista to XP

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sat May 13, 2017 2:39 pm

Sounds like we have some cutting edge top programmers/coders/specialist systems people on this site and it would appear that the consensus is update and don't scrimp on virus protection.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Sat May 13, 2017 3:17 pm

Amber Rudd has stated that the NHS must update outdated software and install new platforms. Given the size of the NHS and the complexities of linking the system to GP's etc presumably this will cost many millions of pounds.

Hopefully, the tories will pledge new money to the NHS for this IT upgrade and not expect NHS Trusts to find the money by cutting back on services provided to patients.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Sat May 13, 2017 4:06 pm

kentonclaret wrote:Amber Rudd has stated that the NHS must update outdated software and install new platforms. Given the size of the NHS and the complexities of linking the system to GP's etc presumably this will cost many millions of pounds.

Hopefully, the tories will pledge new money to the NHS for this IT upgrade and not expect NHS Trusts to find the money by cutting back on services provided to patients.

Not looking good from a historic point of view in regards to the government funding...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/to ... irror_main" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

thought this was interesting too...

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/lives-risk-mark-wilson" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sat May 13, 2017 5:26 pm

kentonclaret wrote:Amber Rudd has stated that the NHS must update outdated software and install new platforms. Given the size of the NHS and the complexities of linking the system to GP's etc presumably this will cost many millions of pounds.

Hopefully, the tories will pledge new money to the NHS for this IT upgrade and not expect NHS Trusts to find the money by cutting back on services provided to patients.

There was an IT guy on "any answers" R4 this afternoon. Said that his NHS area (I didn't catch what/where) used Windows 10 everywhere - except for 5 pcs which were still on XP because the vendor's application they ran/linked to was still on XP and hadn't been upgraded by vendor.

That's most likely one of the issues for NHS (as well as other organisation), they have some technology that cannot be upgraded easily.

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Sat May 13, 2017 7:16 pm

brexit wrote:Macs are as bad as Microsoft for security holes but there are so few of them in use it is not worth the hassle of developing malware.

66million Macs currently in use and over 1 billion Apple devices. But keep talking boll**ks.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat May 13, 2017 7:27 pm

While we're on the subject of the NHS and technology, what are people's thoughts on the system working like the police?

By that I mean shared nationwide. I've been to hospitals where they know absolutely naff all about me and we have to start from scratch. The consultant I see now knows very little about me in terms of appointments at Burnley General, as they had to post the records and they got 'lost' in the post. If it was all networked up, there wouldn't be any need for that.