our " framework "

[happyclaret17]

just wanted to hear what everyones views are on this for next season.
I think this framework is the reason for our success this season at home at least.
next season though we are up against the 2nd season syndrome and I cannot help
but think that teams will work us out better than they did this season....for me
we simply have to get more fire power up front and stating the bleeding obvious
have to get 3 or 4 away wins as I cannot see fortress turf moor returning as many
points as this season...utc.

[BurnleyPaul]

The key word for what Dyche has done with us is this- 'evolution'.

The team has slowly, but continually, evolved over his time with us; all the time making the most out of what he had available to him. This will continue this summer when we see some players moving on and others coming in.

Dyche will have a plan for how the team will evolve and will be identifying the players to help this happen. As the personnel change then so too will the 'framework'....

[ablueclaret]

Yes its evolved into a side where skill has been replaced by endeavour.

[Leisure]

Yes its evolved into a side where skill has been replaced by endeavour.

And that has allowed us to retain our place in the Premier League!

[Caernarfon_Claret]

We are a very good side without possession - all we need to do now is become a good team with possession. Improve our play between phases so we can score goals when teams are at their weakest and not be susceptible when we lose possession.

[Vegas Claret]

as frustrating as it can be sometimes, I think it's fair to say more often than not Dyche has got things right. He's a young manager too and is learning as he goes with us. He's said on many occasion we need to improve the quality so as is usual it's now over to the board, the scouting and recruitment teams

[ablueclaret]

We'll never know because we just don't do skill and entertainment anymore.

[Belial]

Framework will be similar. Especially away, and against the bigger clubs. I'd expect us to be planning on 'going for it' more than we have done this season in some games though

[TomtheClaret]

Yes its evolved into a side where skill has been replaced by endeavour.

You got all this from MOTD?

[Jimscho]

We'll never know because we just don't do skill and entertainment anymore.

I've been to every home game this year and been entertained at most of them.Have you not been entertained at the games you've been to.I trust Hull and West Ham fans were entertained today and Hull will entertain there fans in the CHAMPIONSHIP next year.

[Sidney1st]

He said early this season on TV that he's limited in what style we could play due to the players we had.
He made a point of saying that he wasn't knocking the players he's got, he just played to their strengths.

Big Sam does the same if you look at it.
Gets the dirty work done to stay in the PL and then starts adding better quality players.
Hughes is doing the same to Pulis' old Stoke squad, but WBA are on course to finish above them ironically.
WBA play some good football too, but survival was always key first.

This is the issue some of our fans have it would appear, they want the fancy free flowing football first and foremost.
We all know some of our lads aren't that technically gifted or the players behind them may not be that defensively solid so something's have to be sacrificed for the greater good.

If we were to have this conversation next summer and we hadn't changed our style then it will show that Dyche maybe too ridged or limited, but if we've survived again then again its about what is more important in the short term?

Stoke spent 7 years playing Pulis football BUT it worked and has made them an established PL club which meant they could attempt to kick on.
It's easier to attract better quality players if they know you wont be sucked straight into a relegation fight.

[ClaretTony]

Yes its evolved into a side where skill has been replaced by endeavour.

Some of your comments are so ridiculous they can't even be described as stupid. Can't you go and find somewhere else to play?

[happyclaret17]

You probably remember West Brom away....one of the few times our framework wasnt used...it was on the back of some decent results and we went and had a go at them.....a fine example of why we need the framework...albeit it needs to steadily evolve.

[ablueclaret]

I'm sure you could see to that Tony.

[Devils_Advocate]

You probably remember West Brom away....one of the few times our framework wasnt used...it was on the back of some decent results and we went and had a go at them.....a fine example of why we need the framework...albeit it needs to steadily evolve.

Thats rubbish, the decent results you refer to such as Everton, Palace, Bournemouth and Watford was achieved with the same attacking approach as we took at West Brom except at West Brom we played badly.

It would be fair to state the open approach didnt work away from home but then to be honest up until the Palace game away the rigid framework approach was barely any better

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

The key to our second season has to be to add some players that offer the same work ethic with more creativity. Granted that's not an easy thing to achieve.

[iluva64]

From the last two games with Keane and Mee both missing I don't know about anyone else but the goals we have conceded in those two games show where our weakness is. Thats got to be a priority signing, hopefully early on so Mee can get used to controlling defence with another.

[Leisure]

I'm sure you could see to that Tony.

Hopefully!

[happyclaret17]

Thats rubbish, the decent results you refer to such as Everton, Palace, Bournemouth and Watford was achieved with the same attacking approach as we took at West Brom except at West Brom we played badly.

It would be fair to state the open approach didnt work away from home but then to be honest up until the Palace game away the rigid framework approach was barely any better

....
with respect devils advocate and without being as ignorant as you by saying you are talking rubbish...at least 3 of those games you referred to were at home....our home form isnt being questioned is it ? we abandoned our usual away mentality at West Brom....no, I wasnt there but tv is a wonderful thing
the away game before that we parked the bus at utd and they had a record amount of chances without scoring.
West brom was bordering on schoolboy stuff.

[Devils_Advocate]

You do know we play half our games at home and this season and we have won 4 lost 2 playing the West Brom formation and we have W6 D3 L3 playing the rigid 4-4-2 framework

We have done better at home without the framework and thats not even including the fact that we used the framework for our 4 easiest home matches.

Personally I would have played 4-5-1 at home and been more rigid away however if you take away the bore draws at the bottom three teams the Utd result was the only away point we managed before the Palace game so there is every chance that given a better run out away from home the 4-5-1 could have got us more points

One of the reasons people have been critical of the framework is because earlier in the season when Dyche was a lot more flexible with his approach balancing the two formations we seemed to do better and played some great football.

[Bordeauxclaret]

I've been to every home game this year and been entertained at most of them.Have you not been entertained at the games you've been to.I trust Hull and West Ham fans were entertained today and Hull will entertain there fans in the CHAMPIONSHIP next year.

Same here. Been some great entertainment at the Turf this year.
Plus another shed load of money earned for an excellent manager to improve it again next season.

[happyclaret17]

have a chill pill
what a load of twaddle....the original post was exactly what I wrote/meant and I have never posted anything on here to start an argument but if someone like you gets in my face I will tell you where to get off.... most posters understood the post and it would seem that its just you who has a problem.
we will see what next season brings but I, like someone said on here earlier trust Dyche to have a plan
watching the golf now...have a good night.

[Devils_Advocate]

Fair enough apologies for going off on one and it wasnt your original post I was replying too as thats a decent post. It was post #13 which I though was misleading/wrong but you are right prob didnt warrant my level of response so i'll leave it there

[Caernarfon_Claret]

We'll never know because we just don't do skill and entertainment anymore.

When was the last time we did Skill & Entertainment? 1975?

[happyclaret17]

fair enough devils advocate
top man
no worries.

[boatshed bill]

For what it's worth, happyclaret,
I doubt the basic framework will change very much next season, why should it?
We may have more technically gifted players available, but the system has worked for us (and SD)
We've been shown as an example of how to organise two rows of four on many occasions. I sometimes wonder what people expect!!!

[happyclaret17]

I completely agree boatshed bill about the framework but we simply must hurt teams more next season....I have to admit that 2 or 3 years ago I questioned our policy in including players like barnes in our team but I was wrong...for me I think his value to the team as a whole is greater than gray or vokes.....it would be great though to have a real 12-15 goals a season striker along side him though....I love Andre's ability to strike an early ball without a touch and vokes's ability to get near post flick on goals but we need a striker that is confotable doing both....along side barnes doing the dirty work.

[Juan Tanamera]

Yes its evolved into a side where skill has been replaced by endeavour.

Mr abc you're a bore.

[ablueclaret]

Well 81-82 was a great season with a number of less than great players Andy Wharton being one, plus of course Trevor Steven, playing Roy of the Rovers stuff that was wonderful to watch, memories of the match at Southend come flooding back, as of course was OC's tenure, but all along we have had players whose individual skill could unlock defences. Even in SD 's time when we had Ings in the side there was always the possibility of magic. I'm not saying that our present side does not have players of skill, to play at that level you have to be talented, but there is no -one who you know when they get the ball gives you that feeling that something special could happen. Boyd Arfield Gray even Hendrick occasionally have their moments but they are too few and far between to have you on the edge of your seat.
For most on here playing at the pinnacle of English football brings the excitement and I can understand that but for me watching a side in which individual flair and magic have their place is what makes watching football worthwhile, without that spark football is worthy but ultimately tedious, at least after you have been satiated on it.

[Sidney1st]

The problem you have abc is you're not willing to let Dyche build some solid foundations first, your running mate KRBFC is pretty much the same.

[RalphCoatesComb]

I'm sure you could see to that Tony.

I'm sure you could too !

[RalphCoatesComb]

tedious

One of your better words ABC.

You are very tedious and when you start watching the Clarets, rather than sniping at their efforts, your opinions may carry more weight.

Now, get back to your Political aspirations