Time to let go of Gibraltar and the Falklands.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun May 14, 2017 3:58 pm

For me geography trumps history.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Sun May 14, 2017 4:00 pm

For me, the wishes of the people who actually live there trump your poor fishing expedition.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Sun May 14, 2017 4:03 pm

I understand that the fishing off the Falklands is a lot better than on this message board.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun May 14, 2017 4:04 pm

The White Sothern Rhodesians wanted to remain British but in the end British common sense won through.
Both these places should have been handed over years ago.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun May 14, 2017 4:05 pm

No territorial limits or indeed quotas on here as far as I'm aware of although 4 threads and one usually goes missing.

Wilsdenclaret · Post by **Wilsdenclaret** » Sun May 14, 2017 4:09 pm

dare you to post that on Britain First or Brexit Britain...........I've got your back, go on do it!

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Sun May 14, 2017 4:09 pm

ablueclaret wrote:The White Sothern Rhodesians wanted to remain British but in the end British common sense won through.
Both these places should have been handed over years ago.

Your analogy holds no water because the white Southern Rhodisians were the MINORITY whereas the vast MAJORITY of both the Gibraltans and the Falkland Islanders wish to remain under British rule, and until that changes then our policy shouldn't either.

charlyt · Post by **charlyt** » Sun May 14, 2017 4:09 pm

Is this geezer for real...?

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun May 14, 2017 4:10 pm

Are they particularly unpleasant on there, I guess the full bloodied Englishman isn't a terribly pleasant beast.

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Sun May 14, 2017 4:10 pm

ablueclaret wrote:For me geography trumps history.

Should we "give" the Channel Isles back to France?

The people of Zimbabwe wanted to be independent, your analogy doesn't work.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun May 14, 2017 4:12 pm

All it requires in both cases is political will, both situations are quite frankly absurd leftovers of a Colonial Past. The world deserves better.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun May 14, 2017 4:13 pm

Just imagine Australia owning the Isle of Man, every red bloodied Englishman would be pitching for a fight. The Falkands are an absurdity.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun May 14, 2017 4:15 pm

As soon as you saw post no. 2 you should have asked for the thread to be locked.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun May 14, 2017 4:16 pm

I never ask for threads to be locked, I' m no kill joy.

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Sun May 14, 2017 4:37 pm

ablueclaret wrote:Just imagine Australia owning the Isle of Man, every red bloodied Englishman would be pitching for a fight. The Falkands are an absurdity.

But how could that possibly happen? Your analogies are absurd.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun May 14, 2017 4:41 pm

Perhaps you need help with lateral thinking Ace.
Imagine a country owning the Isle of Man who stated that we will defend it against any warlike aggression from England. I fancy our bombers would have been in years ago.
It"s just our Imperialistic arrogance which allows us to assert these rights.
Time we gave up the last remnants of our Empire, times move on.

FulledgeClaret · Post by **FulledgeClaret** » Sun May 14, 2017 4:47 pm

Get yourself on change.org or whatever it is start a petition and if you get enough sign it then it will get an airing in parliment. my guessing is you will struggle to get past 100 signatures let alone the 100k you need.

if the people of Gibraltar and the Falklands wanted to be handed over to Spain and Argentina I'm pretty sure we would hand them over but they don't so we will continue to hold and protect those territories.

lrac · Post by **lrac** » Sun May 14, 2017 4:48 pm

ablueclaret wrote:Perhaps you need help with lateral thinking Ace.
Imagine a country owning the Isle of Man who stated that we will defend it against any warlike aggression from England. I fancy our bombers would have been in years ago.
It"s just our Imperialistic arrogance which allows us to assert these rights.
Time we gave up the last remnants of our Empire, times move on.

Why the hell are you so controversial.just asking

brexit · Post by **brexit** » Sun May 14, 2017 4:49 pm

Yes and can we let go of Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland as well.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun May 14, 2017 4:51 pm

Looks likely although The Welsh have yet to show real fire about independence.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun May 14, 2017 4:52 pm

There is absolutely no need to do so, we can negotiate a settlement in which their interests are protected but their nationality changed, all it requires is political will, just like in Northern Ireland.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun May 14, 2017 4:53 pm

We can give up Gibraltar when Spain gives up the bit on the African side.

Fairs fair after all, why should they control places and moan when we do?

As for the Falklands, didn't we have it first?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun May 14, 2017 4:54 pm

ablueclaret wrote:Looks likely although The Welsh have yet to show real fire about independence.

They'd be properly knackered without us would the Welsh, but they do have a strong dislike of the English.

brexit · Post by **brexit** » Sun May 14, 2017 4:58 pm

Technically do Wales and NI count as "conquered territories" and therefore part of the empire?

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun May 14, 2017 4:59 pm

My dads Welsh so technically so am I, so be careful what you say Sidney or Owen Glendowr will be seeking you out.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun May 14, 2017 4:59 pm

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun May 14, 2017 5:03 pm

ablueclaret wrote:My dads Welsh so technically so am I, so be careful what you say Sidney or Owen Glendowr will be seeking you out.

My mum is Welsh and I grew up in Rhyl.

Even my Surname is on a couple of mountains in Llandudno.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun May 14, 2017 5:04 pm

Chiselled in claret and blue I hope Sidney.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun May 14, 2017 5:06 pm

Nope.

Random fact though, you can't buy one of those gifts with surnames on them from the Great Orme gift shop that has Orme as an option

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun May 14, 2017 5:08 pm

Not much of a gift shop if you can't buy them. Welsh wizardry I guess.

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Sun May 14, 2017 5:29 pm

ablueclaret wrote:For me geography trumps history.

Have you been to both? I have, and never a more patriotic bunch of brits I've ever met. The Falklanders had the opportunity to vote for just a few years ago. Someone please correct me, but a circa 99% vote to stay British is fairly conclusive......

Wilsdenclaret · Post by **Wilsdenclaret** » Sun May 14, 2017 5:30 pm

I would happily be taken back over by the Danes

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun May 14, 2017 5:32 pm

Amazing how patriots can hate the people living in the next town?

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sun May 14, 2017 5:40 pm

Another stupid opening thread

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun May 14, 2017 5:45 pm

One day we'll stop being such arrogant people.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun May 14, 2017 5:46 pm

Arrogant about what?

If the Falklands voted to stay you can't just get rid of them.
Same with Gibraltar.

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Sun May 14, 2017 5:52 pm

ablueclaret wrote:Perhaps you need help with lateral thinking Ace.
Imagine a country owning the Isle of Man who stated that we will defend it against any warlike aggression from England. I fancy our bombers would have been in years ago.
It"s just our Imperialistic arrogance which allows us to assert these rights.
Time we gave up the last remnants of our Empire, times move on.

Don't worry about lateral thinking, you need to brush up on "analogy" and perhaps look up "supposition " whilst you are at it!

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun May 14, 2017 5:58 pm

So you think we would accept the Isle of Man in some other countries ownership, say Ugandas, I don't think we would.
They are just outliers from the Empire which store up hostility and resentment and we should be mature enough as a nation to deal with the issues, not just accept the voices of those who live there.
Time to accept the geographic realities of life.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun May 14, 2017 6:11 pm

100 years ago, no I don't think we'd accept Uganda owning the Isle of Man.

The Isle of Man has some independence anyway.

The Argies literally invaded a British territory...

Now they want it again for the oil, or when someone wants to win an election, but the islanders want to stay under the protection of the UK.

What's your issue with this?
Does it effect you in anyway what happens with Falklands or Gibraltar?
If residents there vote to stay part of the UK then what's the issue?

Same if Scotland vote to leave in a couple of years I'd have no issue with them going it alone.

harpers_perm · Post by **harpers_perm** » Sun May 14, 2017 6:14 pm

How is it arrogant protecting the rights of people who want to be British, are proud to be British and who have lived as British citizens for generations.

You clearly have no knowledge of the situation and so far you've just offered vacuous lazy headline comments such as 'arrogant, 'hand them back', 'geography'.

I'd normally not respond but I'm running a bath and waiting for a delightful offering of Salmon to roast seasoned with white cloves, garlic with the merest suggestion of parsley.

Move on son, there's a good lad, come back when you've done your research.

Ps: The average heavyweight punches at 800psi, Ivan Drago punches at 2000 psi. You see I can also tap misdirected inane guff into my laptop as well.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun May 14, 2017 6:16 pm

You haven't mentioned St Helena yet.

Shall we 'set them free' too?

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Sun May 14, 2017 6:17 pm

harpers_perm wrote:
You clearly have no knowledge of the situation and so far you've just offered vacuous lazy headline comments

Also applies to ABC's analysis of all things BFC, strangely enough.

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Sun May 14, 2017 9:01 pm

Again your analogy is just none sense. If, for example, the Scilly Isles had been French for as long as the Channel Isles have been British do you think anyone would be bothered?

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Sun May 14, 2017 9:11 pm

ablueclaret wrote:One day we'll stop being such arrogant people.

We might, you I'm not so sure about!

Claret&Green · Post by **Claret&Green** » Sun May 14, 2017 9:13 pm

Personally I think Lancashire should apply for independence from the tyrannical rule of London!

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Sun May 14, 2017 9:18 pm

Can we not just hand Blackburn over to India whilst we are at it?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun May 14, 2017 9:19 pm

Burnley Ace wrote:Again your analogy is just none sense. If, for example, the Scilly Isles had been French for as long as the Channel Isles have been British do you think anyone would be bothered?

Abc would've been bothered on their behalf.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sun May 14, 2017 10:29 pm

ablueclaret wrote:We can negotiate a settlement in which their interests are protected but their nationality changed, all it requires is political will, just like in Northern Ireland.

I'vr an idea. Geography trumps history, as abc has already pointed out; so why don't we give ablueclaret to Bristol Rovers? We can negotiate a settlement in which his interest is protected but his club is changed. All it requires is political will.

We've already established the principle (to abc's entire satisfaction) that he doesn't get a say in this agreement. I'll be the first to vote in favour of the transfer. Who's in favour? Twenty "likes" and he's gone to the Gasheads.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun May 14, 2017 10:32 pm

Let's just hand him back to the men in white coats.

thelaughingclaret · Post by **thelaughingclaret** » Sun May 14, 2017 10:41 pm

As regards Gibraltar and Spain wanting it 'back' why aren't Spain in a as much of a rush to give the 2 areas they own in morocco back to morocco? Seems very hypocritical of them. We aren't giving anything to nobody anyway unless there's a democratic referendum.