Three Girls

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed May 17, 2017 10:15 pm

Anyone else been watching this, about the Rochdale Asian grooming gangs?

taio · Post by **taio** » Wed May 17, 2017 10:19 pm

Yes. A powerful drama that clearly demonstrates terrible failings of statutory services. Unforgivable that the awful crimes were kicked in the long grass for so long.

Rojales Claret · Post by **Rojales Claret** » Wed May 17, 2017 10:19 pm

Watched the first one last night & found it compelling. Have recorded tonights but not watched it yet.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed May 17, 2017 10:28 pm

I'm just watching the 2nd one now.

Its a bit scary how incompetent the police and social services were.

taio · Post by **taio** » Wed May 17, 2017 10:30 pm

And the CPS. Frightened to death of accusations of racism when they should have been protecting very vulnerable children. Sickening.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Wed May 17, 2017 10:30 pm

This has just got racism hennaed all over it.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Wed May 17, 2017 10:32 pm

Diesel wrote:This has just got racism hennaed all over it.

What has?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed May 17, 2017 10:35 pm

I've recorded it but not started watching yet

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Wed May 17, 2017 10:37 pm

Murger wrote:What has?

Has what?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed May 17, 2017 10:41 pm

Go and play somewhere else Diesel.

Juan Tanamera · Post by **Juan Tanamera** » Thu May 18, 2017 12:12 am

The initial response from the police was incompetence of the highest order.

On a side note, the acting in this real life drama has been outstanding.

basil6345789 · Post by **basil6345789** » Thu May 18, 2017 12:13 am

I've said before that we're nearing the scapegoat stage and that when the **** hits the fan the person fingered will blow the whistle on all the:- social workers, police, teachers, councillors, school govenors et al. They'll all claim that they were scared by PC / racism accusations. It will be 100 times bigger than the Jimmy Saville thing and, worst of all, it's still going on in theses parts.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Thu May 18, 2017 12:24 am

witless, useless and cowardly authorities , from those who knew, to the inept and pathetic locals at every level, who allowed this to continue unchallenged. Disgusting.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Thu May 18, 2017 12:41 am

Diesel wrote:This has just got racism hennaed all over it.

You mean it's got culturally and sexually repressed Pakistani men all over it.

Who'd have thought?

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Thu May 18, 2017 1:06 am

elephant in the ******* room time yet again, sick to death of apologists for this disgraceful and continual criminality.
stuff your liberal thinking up your ****

Goodclaret · Post by **Goodclaret** » Thu May 18, 2017 7:58 am

Watched the first one last night and to say it's uncomfortable viewing is an understatement. I know it's a TV programme and we now know what went on but the authorities are an absolute disgrace in not stepping in and seeing what was going on. It was as though they saw the young girls as "well you're fault for being in the wrong place at the wrong time". Absolutely horrendous.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Thu May 18, 2017 8:00 am

Walton is currently protesting outside the BBC complaining about the clear racist tones in the programme and the lack of coverage of large white male groups doing exactly the same.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Thu May 18, 2017 8:06 am

Wile E Coyote wrote:elephant in the ******* room time yet again, sick to death of apologists for this disgraceful and continual criminality.
stuff your liberal thinking up your ****

You should have stopped after "yet again", Wile.

Nobody's being either apologist or liberal - whatever demons those two labels may bring to life in your head - are they ?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu May 18, 2017 8:07 am

I was absolutely disgusted at what I was seeing in Threegirls. I'm horrified to hear an ignorant white woman use the word 'pakis' on television.

Remember this was not a race thing, not even in the slightest. Child exploitation knows no colour, there are literally 100s of grooming gangs like this of white men that specifically target vulnerable Asian girls all over the country. Its just the media won't report on it because they are racist. Obviously.

I'm also disappointed with the BBC for not changing the ethnicity of the attackers in this show, or possibly the ethnicity of some of the victims. As not to paint such a black and white picture, I think we need to be really careful about cultural sensitivities in cases like this, the truth is for the courts, not for the television screen. This is a drama, and we must influence the public in the right way. Coronation street are doing it, so why can't the BBC with this show?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu May 18, 2017 8:19 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:I was absolutely disgusted at what I was seeing in Threegirls. I'm horrified to hear an ignorant white woman use the word 'pakis' on television.

Remember this was not a race thing, not even in the slightest. Child exploitation knows no colour, there are literally 100s of grooming gangs like this of white men that specifically target vulnerable Asian girls all over the country. Its just the media won't report on it because they are racist. Obviously.

I'm also disappointed with the BBC for not changing the ethnicity of the attackers in this show, or possibly the ethnicity of some of the victims. As not to paint such a black and white picture, I think we need to be really careful about cultural sensitivities in cases like this, the truth is for the courts, not for the television screen. This is a drama, and we must influence the public in the right way. Coronation street are doing it, so why can't the BBC with this show?

Bait cast....

Croydon Claret · Post by **Croydon Claret** » Thu May 18, 2017 8:23 am

I don't know what made me angrier; the way the girls were treated or the appalling stance taken by the authorities

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Thu May 18, 2017 8:24 am

I was repulsed by this event when on the news and will not be watching this. There is a cultural problem as one poster has pointed out. People who don't respect themselves often have no respect for others.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu May 18, 2017 8:26 am

There have been suggestions that this should be shown in schools as a way to educate people.

I know my school used to show Schindler's List as part of history lessons, as it was a better way to show what had happened to the Jews.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Thu May 18, 2017 8:30 am

They should certainly educate people on how to avoid dangerous situations so that people are more street savvy. They should also show films like Shindlers List to help prevent these horrors in the future.

MK-Claret · Post by **MK-Claret** » Thu May 18, 2017 9:02 am

I have watched the both of them so far with my other half.

I find it upsetting and deeply disturbing that this was allowed to go on, people in authority should hang their heads in shame and should be prosecuted for negligence.

For once the BBC have got it spot on, and showed exactly what went one, for me this should be shown around secondary schools as a warning and to educate ALL young impressionable young girls .

Yes there are many more trials to come mainly in northern towns, and one in Oxford.

The worst thing is, its been going on for years.

I salute the sexual health worker who never gave up on the girls, but the girls themselves are very brave, as they have had to relive this ordeal time and time again.

A pedophile is a pedophile regardless of ethnic background,and should be made to have a chemical castration on release or while serving their sentence.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Thu May 18, 2017 9:15 am

Where are all the liberal apologists ? Absolute disgrace what went on, and its still going on now.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu May 18, 2017 9:20 am

Surprised how good Lisa Riley is in her role in Three Girls

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu May 18, 2017 9:21 am

claretandy wrote:Where are all the liberal apologists ? Absolute disgrace what went on, and its still going on now.

From what I can see on twitter they we're trying to deflect all insinuations race/culture played any part in this whatsoever and it was simply a patriarchal issue. Bringing it back to an area they are much more comfortable with it.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu May 18, 2017 9:23 am

This a political thread CM isn't it?

Hope the bet wasn't too bad!

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu May 18, 2017 9:25 am

Being serious for a sec, glad its been made, glad the lessons have been learnt and glad that people are now a lot more aware that this is a problem.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu May 18, 2017 9:28 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:This a political thread CM isn't it?

Hope the bet wasn't too bad!

Crime and culture thread mate

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu May 18, 2017 9:30 am

Seen both and a very tough watch.

BBC have done it justice though by not trying too much to water down the true horrific extent of what happened.

As said above some great acting and a really good cast.

It's hard to believe how so many people in authority could have got it wrong. They were too cowardly to do anything and being scared of the potential backlash from the Muslim community definitely seems to have been a factor.

This has been happening in our own town for years and I know for a fact that the local schools were advising the authorities of specific cases with their own school girls and grooming 7 or 8 years ago and very little or nothing was done about it.

As a parent it does not bear thinking about what it must be like to have your daughter go through this.

Sutton-Claret · Post by **Sutton-Claret** » Thu May 18, 2017 9:31 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:
I'm also disappointed with the BBC for not changing the ethnicity of the attackers in this show, or possibly the ethnicity of some of the victims. As not to paint such a black and white picture, I think we need to be really careful about cultural sensitivities in cases like this, the truth is for the courts, not for the television screen. This is a drama, and we must influence the public in the right way. Coronation street are doing it, so why can't the BBC with this show?

Change the ethnicity ???? Why? In case it offended people - ridiculous comment. This is a true story and should be shown in its truest form - however gritty and depressing it is. Children are still being abused up and down the country - hopefully this programme will be a wake up call to the public and the authorities.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu May 18, 2017 9:33 am

TVC15 wrote:Seen both and a very tough watch.

BBC have done it justice though by not trying too much to water down the true horrific extent of what happened.

As said above some great acting and a really good cast.

It's hard to believe how so many people in authority could have got it wrong. They were too cowardly to do anything and being scared of the potential backlash from the Muslim community definitely seems to have been a factor.

This has been happening in our own town for years and I know for a fact that the local schools were advising the authorities of specific cases with their own school girls and grooming 7 or 8 years ago and very little or nothing was done about it.

As a parent it does not bear thinking about what it must be like to have your daughter go through this.

It's definitely happening in our town, probably as we speak. Like I say I used to drive past st Hildas everyday after work to get home and the amount of times you would see a (probably rented) BMW sat outside the school gates with 3 or 4 young asian lads in was unsettling to say the least.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Thu May 18, 2017 9:34 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Being serious for a sec, glad its been made, glad the lessons have been learnt and glad that people are now a lot more aware that this is a problem.

If it's still going on have the lessons been learned ? I hate that phrase BTW.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu May 18, 2017 9:35 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:It's definitely happening in our town, probably as we speak. Like I say I used to drive past st Hildas everyday after work to get home and the amount of times you would see a (probably rented) BMW sat outside the school gates with 3 or 4 young asian lads in was unsettling to say the least.

Live in a predominantly white town and you'll see white lads waiting in their cars for their 'girlfriends' to finish school.

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Thu May 18, 2017 9:37 am

Wile E Coyote wrote:elephant in the ******* room time yet again, sick to death of apologists for this disgraceful and continual criminality.
stuff your liberal thinking up your ****

Just logged in to give this a like.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu May 18, 2017 9:38 am

Sidney1st wrote:Live in a predominantly white town and you'll see white lads waiting in their cars for their 'girlfriends' to finish school.

Hilda's was the school I know for a fact this was happening. At this time there were very few Asian girls who went to this school so no reason other than the one suggested for a BMW full of Asian lads to be outside the school regularly.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu May 18, 2017 9:39 am

Sidney1st wrote:Live in a predominantly white town and you'll see white lads waiting in their cars for their 'girlfriends' to finish school.

Burnley is a predominantly white town. Didn't and still haven't ever see any other flash cars filled with a group of age 20+ lads waiting for teenage girls to come out of school.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu May 18, 2017 9:40 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:I was absolutely disgusted at what I was seeing in Threegirls. I'm horrified to hear an ignorant white woman use the word 'pakis' on television.

Remember this was not a race thing, not even in the slightest. Child exploitation knows no colour, there are literally 100s of grooming gangs like this of white men that specifically target vulnerable Asian girls all over the country. Its just the media won't report on it because they are racist. Obviously.

I'm also disappointed with the BBC for not changing the ethnicity of the attackers in this show, or possibly the ethnicity of some of the victims. As not to paint such a black and white picture, I think we need to be really careful about cultural sensitivities in cases like this, the truth is for the courts, not for the television screen. This is a drama, and we must influence the public in the right way. Coronation street are doing it, so why can't the BBC with this show?

Wow

CleggHall · Post by **CleggHall** » Thu May 18, 2017 9:50 am

What a troubled town Rochdale is. Hardly any good news comes out about it these days, Cyril Smith, Asian girl grooming gangs, idiotic and immoral MP Simon Danczuk. It used to be one of the nicer northern mill towns in my youth, what went wrong that propelled its decline? Very sad.

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Thu May 18, 2017 10:10 am

You must be bloody ancient if you think Cyril Smith is recent.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu May 18, 2017 10:11 am

What was sickening about Rochdale was the guardian reading social workers, who were nothing more that paedophile apologists.

They said that "these young women had made lifestyle choices!!!!!!!"

These "young women" were f****** children. But in the politically correct mind of these left wing idealists, these "young women" were simply halal meat, to be sacrificed on the alter of multiculturalism. They were more concerned about "not upsetting community cohesion" than actually doing what they're paid for, and looking after innocent children.

None of them were sacked for their collusion in covering up this appalling crime, and no doubt look forward to retiring at around the age of 57 on nice copper bottomed tax payer funded final salary pensions.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Thu May 18, 2017 10:11 am

I would not be surprised if the cps was told from on high not to pursue the original cases

As usual the people at the coal face get the blame for inaction. No wonder so many people turned to UKIP to make a point by proxy.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Thu May 18, 2017 10:18 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:this appealing crime

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu May 18, 2017 10:22 am

Tall Paul wrote:

Oh hang on. I hold my hand up! Yeah I dropped a bollok there .

Fair play!

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Thu May 18, 2017 10:23 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:How would you describe what happened in Rochdale?

Probably not appealing unless you're a nonce.
Appalling maybe.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Thu May 18, 2017 10:24 am

'I am disappointed in the BBC for not changing the ethnicity of the attackers .... ' I've seen seen cr*p on here but this is beyond ridiculous.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Thu May 18, 2017 10:25 am

only watched the first one last night.

incredible acting and props to the bbc for not watering it down. disconcerting that it was so close to home.

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Thu May 18, 2017 10:26 am

Blackrod wrote:'I am disappointed in the BBC for not changing the ethnicity of the attackers .... ' I've seen seen cr*p on here but this is beyond ridiculous.

It was meant to be, he was being facetious.