Jeremy Corbyn & the IRA

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Sun May 21, 2017 4:04 pm

Without even going in John McDonnell (who was even closer to the terrorist organisation) let's examine what Jeremy Corbyn (prospective Prime Minister of the UK) has to say about the IRA's terrorist campaign of murder and bombing citizens throughout the UK:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PC7MeUEJgM&sns=tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There's been a lot of silly thread about lately including people getting giddy because of a little shift in polls.

But listen to the interview on the link and ask yourself: Do you want this Brit-hating, North London bearded idiot as Prime Minister?

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Sun May 21, 2017 4:05 pm

Jeremy Corbyn.

A man who cannot bring himself to condemn terrorism.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sun May 21, 2017 4:10 pm

I'd rather he wasn't like that but it was the only way to sort peace out, having people talk to them. If it's saved lives who gives a ????

I would rather poor kids get free school meals than any of this crap politics you want to stir.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sun May 21, 2017 4:12 pm

There's a transcript where he condemns the bombings. I'll find it later and post it.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Sun May 21, 2017 4:13 pm

Ahhh, I see. So instead of someone like Corbyn who is against war and violence of any kind you'd rather have the likes of Blair or May who both supported the illegitimate invasion of Iraq. OK then...

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sun May 21, 2017 4:13 pm

In fact here it is straight out of his mouth https://twitter.com/laboureoin/status/8 ... 7047921664" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Sun May 21, 2017 4:14 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:There's a transcript where he condemns the bombings. I'll find it later and post it.

Ahhhh, there's a transcript. I see.

And that explains why he cannot bring himself to say something very simple because...?

Jeremy Corbyn condemns the IRA ... but only in transcript form?

Listen to the interview - the man cannot bring himself to say it.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sun May 21, 2017 4:15 pm

See the video

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun May 21, 2017 4:16 pm

I'm looking forward to this election being over.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sun May 21, 2017 4:21 pm

At 1:58 seconds BTW mate

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Sun May 21, 2017 4:22 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I'm looking forward to this election being over.

So am I.

And I'm looking forward to McDonnell and Corbyn having to face up to what they've done to the Labour Party and the UK having a functioning opposition too.

There's a long, long way to go for that to happen though.

But step one is people listening to the interview in the OP and realising what kind of anti-Brit sh:t Jeremy Corbyn is.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Sun May 21, 2017 4:23 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:At 1:58 seconds BTW mate

He does NOT condemn the IRA.

He makes a vague condemnation of sorts.

It's pathetic.

If you can't see that then I'm very sorry. 99% who listen to the interview will be able to hear it. And they'll also hear Jeremy hanging up because he doesn't want to dodge the question again.

The man is a worm.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Sun May 21, 2017 5:14 pm

You getting the jitters Rowls? HQ told you to double up on the IRA smears? He's on record condemning violence but nothing he says will be good enough because you have to distract everyone as much as possible from thinking about that shoddy and un-professional Tory manifesto in which they attack the young and old, and make uncosted promises.

Who do you want sitting down to negotiate Brexit? Someone who doesn't give a toss about your children or grandparents, or someone finally willing to tax the rich, make our NHS great again and not saddle young people with a mortgage just for going to university? Which of those two will have your interests at heart, and which will be most concerned about getting the best deal for big finance?

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sun May 21, 2017 5:55 pm

He invited IRA people into the House of Commons just a few days after they had killed one MP and attempted to murder the Prime Minister at Brighton.

Corbyn wasn't turning up at IRA rallies because he wanted dialogue. He turned up at IRA rallies because he supported a united Ireland and didn't object to the IRA's way of getting it.

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:11 pm

I think I can just about hear the sound of barrels being scraped.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sun May 21, 2017 8:23 pm

Corbyn..Corbyn..rah rah rah

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Sun May 21, 2017 8:27 pm

Yes. To hell with elections. Let's just jump straight to dictatorships again. Or worse. Trump getting elected. Did anybody see SNL's send up of Trump on last night's show. Perfect. And Dwayne (The Rock) Johnson and Tom Hanks announced their candidacy in 2020 (apparently).

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Sun May 21, 2017 8:43 pm

Terrible isn't it, the company kept by some of our MPs before they reach positions of power...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACg9ajikENA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun May 21, 2017 8:48 pm

Whatever my personal feelings on terrorists and terrorism, they only ever tend to end with dialogue.

Should Corbyn have taken the stance he did when he was younger? No

Does that mean he can't PM of the UK? No

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Sun May 21, 2017 10:02 pm

scouseclaret wrote:Terrible isn't it, the company kept by some of our MPs before they reach positions of power...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACg9ajikENA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That was brilliant from Emily Thornberry

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun May 21, 2017 10:37 pm

Rowls wrote:Jeremy Corbyn.

A man who cannot bring himself to condemn terrorism.

He did. He condemned the bombings by both the IRA and the Loyalists. Stop lying or swallowing the bullshit you're being fed.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun May 21, 2017 10:45 pm

Rowls wrote:He does NOT condemn the IRA.

He makes a vague condemnation of sorts.

It's pathetic.

If you can't see that then I'm very sorry. 99% who listen to the interview will be able to hear it. And they'll also hear Jeremy hanging up because he doesn't want to dodge the question again.

The man is a worm.

Yes he does condemn the IRA. Just because he refuses to single them out doesn't mean he isn't condemning them when he condemns both sides for their terrorism.
This reminds me of the right wing in the US getting all upset because Obama wouldn't utter the term "radical islamic terrorism".

It's ******* ridiculous and people like you are a cancer on this country's political discourse. Instead of focusing on some of the terrible thinks the Tories are promising, and their lie of an extra £8bn for the NHS you're allowing yourself to be distracted by propoganda and bullshit.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun May 21, 2017 10:50 pm

You don't have get wound up by things on both sides of the Atlantic.

You need to find yourself a different hobby, or have kids.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sun May 21, 2017 10:53 pm

Have kids just for something to do?

Basically half of Burnley I suppose.

IT do you want to adopt? We can raise it gay.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun May 21, 2017 10:56 pm

Having kids would reduce the amount of time IT would spend getting wound up about things out of his control.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun May 21, 2017 10:56 pm

Sidney1st wrote:You don't have get wound up by things on both sides of the Atlantic.

You need to find yourself a different hobby, or have kids.

I'm convinced that Rowls watches politicians on TV with their bullshit spin and thinks that's something he should do, in much the same way children watch premier league footballers diving and feigning injury and so begin to emulate their idols.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun May 21, 2017 10:56 pm

You could adopt KRBFC.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun May 21, 2017 10:57 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I'm convinced that Rowls watches politicians on TV with their bullshit spin and thinks that's something he should do, in much the same way children watch premier league footballers diving and feigning injury and so begin to emulate their idols.

I'm convinced you'll have a heart attack stressing so much about things you can't influence or control.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun May 21, 2017 10:58 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Having kids would reduce the amount of time IT would spend getting wound up about things out of his control.

I already have kids i just want nothing to do with them. The *****.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun May 21, 2017 11:07 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I'm convinced you'll have a heart attack stressing so much about things you can't influence or control.

That's because you think posting on the internet is stressful.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sun May 21, 2017 11:12 pm

Pacifist one day, IRA lover the next. All beardy as well.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sun May 21, 2017 11:19 pm

Congratulations, this OP would certainly pass the relevant tests and it's contents would be permitted redistribution under Theresa May's new internet laws.

Garnerssoap · Post by **Garnerssoap** » Sun May 21, 2017 11:37 pm

If rowls didn't do remarkably good and informative real ale guides whenever we're away in notts I'd swear he was a murdoch autobot plant.

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Sun May 21, 2017 11:42 pm

Cirrus_Minor wrote:I think I can just about hear the sound of barrels being scraped.

I think not, plenty more from Corbyn, McDonnell, and Abbott's barrel of anti-British pro United Ireland pronouncements...

A cracker today in the Sunday Times, from Diane Abbott..

" Ireland is our struggle - every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us. A defeat in Northern Ireland woud be a defeat indeed ". " Though I was born here in London, I couldn't identify as British...Northern Ireland is an enclave of white supremacist idealogues " ( interview with " Labour & Ireland, a journal published by the Labour Committee on Ireland ( LCI ) in 1984 ).

The Labour Committee on Ireland was chaired for a time by John McDonnell, now Shadow Chancellor and meetings of the " Troops Out " movement and other pro-IRA groups were hosted at Corbyn's constituency Office in Finsbury Park, a building belonging to the Islington Labour Party. At a Republican event on 22nd March 1991, Corbyn claimed that " British Human Rights abuses in Ulster were comparable to Saddam Hussein's in Iraq ".

Diane Abbott would be in line to be Home Secretary in the next Labour Government, responsible for law and order, immigration, and national security...

chorleyhere · Post by **chorleyhere** » Sun May 21, 2017 11:49 pm

Theresa May running scared ? Personalise attacks all you Blue supporters make lots of smoke, polish lots of mirrors pretend our manifesto went down well!

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Mon May 22, 2017 12:02 am

This is an interesting addition to this conversation. The writer - Peter Oborne - was the chief political commentator for the Telegraph until recently (2015), and certainly no cheerleader for Labour:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shIOZdEzkiU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A bit of a read, but worth it.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon May 22, 2017 12:05 am

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Pacifist one day, IRA lover the next. All beardy as well.

It's hilarious. Kinda like Schrodinger's immigrant.

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Mon May 22, 2017 12:09 am

''Corbyn claimed that " British Human Rights abuses in Ulster were comparable to Saddam Hussein's in Iraq "

An interesting take on events if that's what he said.

So it was understandable for the IRA to bomb and kill innocent civilians on mainland Britain but wrong for the UK to go to war in Iraq. Interesting.

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Mon May 22, 2017 12:12 am

A cracker today in the Sunday Times, from Diane Abbott..

" Ireland is our struggle - every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us. A defeat in Northern Ireland woud be a defeat indeed ". " Though I was born here in London, I couldn't identify as British...Northern Ireland is an enclave of white supremacist idealogues "

Just what the hell is she going on about now?

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Mon May 22, 2017 12:14 am

Testing

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Mon May 22, 2017 12:15 am

Testing

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Mon May 22, 2017 12:18 am

AndrewJB wrote:This is an interesting addition to this conversation. The writer - Peter Oborne - was the chief political commentator for the Telegraph until recently (2015), and certainly no cheerleader for Labour:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shIOZdEzkiU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A bit of a read, but worth it.

Peter Oborne writes for Jonathan PIe....Wow !

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Mon May 22, 2017 12:20 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shIOZdEzkiU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

In case it got lost in some of that, I'll repost the link from a Conservative journalist.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Mon May 22, 2017 12:33 am

AndrewJB wrote:You getting the jitters Rowls? HQ told you to double up on the IRA smears? He's on record condemning violence...?

Smears is used when you are contorting or distorting the truth.

What I've posted about Jeremy Corbyn is completely true.

He is asked to condemn the IRA and he refuses. He has a track record of supporting the IRA at the height of their murderous campaign in the UK.

Imploding Turtle wrote:Yes he does condemn the IRA.

No he doesn't.

He condemns violence generally and bombs generally but he fails to condemn the IRA.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Mon May 22, 2017 12:41 am

Clarets4me wrote:Peter Oborne writes for Jonathan PIe....Wow !

Fine. then explain how Oborne is incorrect in the article. Tell us how Corbyn is weak by standing up to the Saudi's. And tell us how strong and stable May is by doing whatever Trump tells her to do.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon May 22, 2017 12:41 am

Rowls wrote:Smears is used when you are contorting or distorting the truth.

What I've posted about Jeremy Corbyn is completely true.

He is asked to condemn the IRA and he refuses. He has a track record of supporting the IRA at the height of their murderous campaign in the UK.

No he doesn't.

He condemns violence generally and bombs generally but he fails to condemn the IRA.

He condemns the bombs from "both sides". Why do you continue such an obvious lie? Are you not sick of looking this stupid, or this partisan?

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Mon May 22, 2017 12:46 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:I'd rather he wasn't like that but it was the only way to sort peace out, having people talk to them. If it's saved lives who gives a ????
I would rather poor kids get free school meals than any of this crap politics you want to stir.

Whaooo!

Whaoo there sir!

You're not talking about Jeremy Corbyn here are you?

I hope not.

Jeremy Corbyn *could* have supported the peace process - if he had "spoken" to extremists on both sides of the argument. Did he do that? Did he buggery. There's plenty of evidence of him supporting and campaigning for the IRA and their terrorists but no evidence whatsoever that his "commitment to dialogue" extended to, for example, the UDA or the UVF.

"So what?" You might say. "At least he was encouraging dialogue and getting people to sit down and talk rather than kill each other." This is the exact line that Jeremy Corbyn's Labour party are trying to trot out now.

This is bullshit.

If Jeremy Corbyn had wanted to encourage dialogue he could have supported the SDP who wanted a united Ireland but were not the mouthpiece of a terrorist organisation. Did Jeremy Corbyn support the SDP? There is NO evidence he did anything to support them whatsoever.

He made his own personal choice - he chose to actively campaign for and support the party committed to terrorism. He chose the group who waged war against the British government and assassinated and indiscriminately killed British people. He even opposed the Good Friday agreement because it did not guarantee what he wanted - no British governance in the Ulster province.

Jeremy Corbyn can do his beardy best to sell his higher taxes to the British people and if that's what they want then fair enough.

But he should not be allowed to change history.

His support of the IRA is there for everybody to see. Only a moron would attempt to defend him and only an idiot would attempt to deny it.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon May 22, 2017 12:49 am

When it comes to the murder of MPs, it isn't enough for an MP to say he condemns violence on both sides. The IRA were killing his elected colleagues - he should not have been taking their side. He didn't use weasel words about the murder of Jo Cox, he gave that the stringent condemnation that it deserved - why was he so non-condemnatory about the murder of Anthony Berry and the attempted murder of Margaret Thatcher?

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Mon May 22, 2017 12:49 am

AndrewJB wrote:Fine. then explain how Oborne is incorrect in the article. Tell us how Corbyn is weak by standing up to the Saudi's. And tell us how strong and stable May is by doing whatever Trump tells her to do.

I'd like to read the article Andrew, but the link you posted only takes me to the ( well observed & funny ) Jonathan Pie clip !

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Mon May 22, 2017 12:53 am

Here's an article that touches on his track record of supporting the IRA and standing in the way of peace:

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/s ... my-corbyn/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Unfortunately it's behind a paywall but you may be able to view it (and a limited number of articles) as a guest.