Theresa May interview on now...BBC1 [7.00pm]

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Mon May 22, 2017 6:59 pm

- being interviewed by ol' Brillo Pad, Andrew Neil.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Mon May 22, 2017 7:04 pm

Has she changed her mind on anything else yet?

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Mon May 22, 2017 7:14 pm

Well.. she has said about 7 times in 10 minutes that 'Jeremy Corbyn' is playing Politics, and Neil has asked her three times where the £8 billion extra spending for the NHS is coming from..

- answer was there none..

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Mon May 22, 2017 7:17 pm

hampsteadclaret wrote:Well.. she has said about 7 times in 10 minutes that 'Jeremy Corbyn' is playing Politics

Pot, meet kettle.

ten bellies · Post by **ten bellies** » Mon May 22, 2017 7:18 pm

Someone keeps changing her script without telling her.

ten bellies · Post by **ten bellies** » Mon May 22, 2017 7:20 pm

Squirming, and that's just her mouth.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon May 22, 2017 7:23 pm

You can tell she got the job by default. She's unbelievably poor.

How many would have voted Leave if they'd have known she'd be leading negotiations?

JohnDearyMe · Post by **JohnDearyMe** » Mon May 22, 2017 7:27 pm

She does not hold up well to scrutiny does she?

She's looked really rattled today over the social care flip flop

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Mon May 22, 2017 7:27 pm

'TM attended the University of Oxford where she read geography at St Hugh's College, graduating with a second class BA degree in 1977..' wiki

Yes it shows, and explains why she has a only a vague understanding of basic economics....very flaky under any sort of face to face pressure...no wonder she won't debate Corbyn, or get out on the streets talking to the British public.

Again..she [and the Tory Party] are ducking questions from Andrew Neil on what will happen to national insurance contributions, and income taxes....they are going to go up aren't they, but she can hardly say so now.

** Paul Nuttall's turn tomorrow night [7.00pm].

Pimlico_Claret · Post by **Pimlico_Claret** » Mon May 22, 2017 7:28 pm

Half an hour in and still not one question properly answered. Very poor showing, God help us if she thinks she's strong and stable.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Mon May 22, 2017 7:37 pm

The one thing that came across very clearly from Theresa May was that "getting immigration down to the tens of thousands" was in the manifesto "because that is what people voted for in the Brexit referendum". She knows that immigration is a real vote winner which is why she keeps repeating it although her record on reducing the numbers is appalling.

She warned during her statement outside No.10 of dire consequences for ordinary working people if the government got the Brexit negotiations wrong but was clueless as to what those consequences would be.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Mon May 22, 2017 8:15 pm

11 kentonclaret..

'dire consequences for ordinary working people if the government got the Brexit negotiations wrong but was clueless as to what those consequences would be..'

- same tonight..Andrew Neil asked her twice, towards the end of the programme, what those 'dire consequences' would be. She was unable to answer effectively.

I think this is because she has only a vague grasp of Economics, which is unhelpful when doing the Brexit stuff.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Mon May 22, 2017 8:32 pm

Awful interview by May. Now accusing Labour of playing on people's fears and Corbyn attempting to 'sneak' into Downing Street! Desperate stuff.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon May 22, 2017 8:33 pm

She really is **** poor when it comes to debating/scrutiny.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Mon May 22, 2017 8:36 pm

No wonder the Tory spin doctors didn't want her being openly questioned by the public or press after watching this.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Mon May 22, 2017 8:37 pm

I've got it now, I've been mishearing her all this time, shes not been saying strong and stable - its been I'swrong'instable all the time

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Mon May 22, 2017 8:42 pm

Her biggest weakness is that she trusts nobody - the EU, the British public, her Cabinet, the opposition.

This leads to her being quite paranoid, and she is often dishonest for fear of people judging her adversely. She showed that tonight.

Ironically, I think she would get far more votes if she was more open, and opened her net to a wider group of advisors than her own tight knit team of sycophants.

I see her as a left wing Tory, i.e. Somebody similar to Blair on the spectrum, a bit right of Brown and Milliband (though miles right of Corbyn). She is thus perfect to hoover up Labour votes if only she could be honest.

Social care, winter fuel and fear of tax rises for self employed - all show her as someone who wants to recirculate wealth downwards, not from the rich but from the fairly comfortable. If she was honest about it, people may agree that it is fair (e.g. not to claim winter fuel allowance if you get £50k p.a. in interest income).

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon May 22, 2017 8:52 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:Her biggest weakness is that she trusts nobody - the EU, the British public, her Cabinet, the opposition.

This leads to her being quite paranoid, and she is often dishonest for fear of people judging her adversely. She showed that tonight.

Ironically, I think she would get far more votes if she was more open, and opened her net to a wider group of advisors than her own tight knit team of sycophants.

I see her as a left wing Tory, i.e. Somebody similar to Blair on the spectrum, a bit right of Brown and Milliband (though miles right of Corbyn). She is thus perfect to hoover up Labour votes if only she could be honest.

Social care, winter fuel and fear of tax rises for self employed - all show her as someone who wants to recirculate wealth downwards, not from the rich but from the fairly comfortable. If she was honest about it, people may agree that it is fair (e.g. not to claim winter fuel allowance if you get £50k p.a. in interest income).

Its also fair to pay for your own social care up to a point if the alternative is that entire system crumbling and nobody getting anything a decade down the line.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Mon May 22, 2017 9:02 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Its also fair to pay for your own social care up to a point if the alternative is that entire system crumbling and nobody getting anything a decade down the line.

I agree. I think though in the medium term there needs to be a social care insurance at a flat rate which increases with age band but nothing else. Social care needs punish people for having the audacity to live a healthy long life, which then leads to the body falling apart in extreme old age. It is harsh for that healthy living to lead to not having a home to pass onto grandchildren.

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Mon May 22, 2017 9:08 pm

She's a terrible orator and comes across as a passionless cold fish droid who is unable to go off script. It's no wonder she has ducked taking part in the TV debates or appearing in any off the cuff public gatherings.

I think her lack of public appearances and lack of genuine public interactions could potentially damage the Tory lead. It might not be enough to get the lead overturned completely but it'll be a hell of a lot closer than people thought it was going to be a couple of weeks ago

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Mon May 22, 2017 9:29 pm

I'd much rather we look after our elderly and pay for it out of taxation.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Mon May 22, 2017 9:38 pm

AndrewJB wrote:I'd much rather we look after our elderly and pay for it out of taxation.

That would need up to 5% on income tax (if the entire gap was to be closed including people choosing to go without care) - would you be prepared to pay that for people who usually have more wealth than the average taxpayer currently has?

A definite vote loser whoever suggests it.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Mon May 22, 2017 9:43 pm

If Theresa is not careful she will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
I thought she was appalling with Andrew Neil, hardly answered any questions.
Just hope if she wins she stays well away from the Brexit negotiations

WadingInDeeper · Post by **WadingInDeeper** » Mon May 22, 2017 9:53 pm

AndrewJB wrote:I'd much rather we look after our elderly and pay for it out of taxation.

We already do to a point. Pension, carers allowance, disability living allowance etc all going towards the cost first. Those who can't pay paid for. It's the bit between income and cost we need to find.

The very well off are unlikely to be affected, as are the poor, it's those in the middle who could loose out. However, it might spur some of them on to care for elderly relative a bit longer, or look into their finances a bit earlier.

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Mon May 22, 2017 10:26 pm

Car crash.

Strong and stable......my arse.

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Mon May 22, 2017 10:31 pm

Full transcript here. It'll probably be on iplayer later, too.

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This part, though;

AN: But it’s a cap, Prime Minister. Your manifesto rejects a cap. It gives a reason why you don’t want a cap. Now you’re going to have a cap. You need to be honest, I would suggest and tell the British people you’ve changed your mind.

PM: What I’m doing – first of all, Andrew, I’m being absolutely honest with the British people about the big challenge that we face. And absolutely honest with them about the need for us to deal with this now, to start fixing it now. Now, what I’ve put forward is a social care policy which means that people won’t have to worry if they’re sitting there, you know, month after month worrying about money coming out of their bank accounts to pay for their care and worrying how long that will last. They won’t have to worry because they won’t have to be paying during their lifetime. They won’t have to worry that they’re going to have to sell their house during their lifetime. And they’ll be able to pass £100,000 on to their families when they die. At least that’s a protected £100,000. What I’ve done today is I’ve seen the scaremongering, frankly, that we’ve seen over the weekend. I’ve seen the way that Jeremy Corbyn wants to sneak into Number 10 by playing on the fears of older and vulnerable people, and I’ve clarified what we will be putting in the Green Paper which I set out in the manifesto.

AN: So Jeremy Corbyn is now rewriting your manifesto?

PM: No, not at all.

Lol. **** off.

JohnDearyMe · Post by **JohnDearyMe** » Mon May 22, 2017 10:49 pm

AndrewJB wrote:I'd much rather we look after our elderly and pay for it out of taxation.

Same here. The current system, along with the Tory proposal, is inherently unfair

chorleyhere · Post by **chorleyhere** » Tue May 23, 2017 12:18 am

Rowls notable by his absence from this post ??????

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Tue May 23, 2017 6:03 am

Can't wait to see Corbyn get Brillo'd of Friday, hope he bring out all the IRA and Hamas quotes from his past.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Tue May 23, 2017 6:27 am

The saddest thing of all is that Theresa May will win the election by default, there being a distinct lack of any credible alternatives. I always considered David Cameron to be a populist PM but Theresa May is taking it to another level. As soon as any criticism emerges from within her own party, on the doorstep with the electorate, or in the Daily Mail, she abandons the policy or waters it down. There are no real alternatives with Boris Johnson showing himself to be even more of a buffoon than he appeared during the Brexit campaign. Quite an achievement that.

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Tue May 23, 2017 6:35 am

If the Liberal party win the election can we have another vote, because of all the sh!te promised by the parties has just confused the thick electorate who just don't know what they're voting for.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Tue May 23, 2017 6:49 am

Shocking events in Manchester and condolences to all of those who have suffered loss of life and terrible injuries as a result of this atrocity.

Yes, strong and stable leadership is required but Britain, like the rest of the world, is sadly lacking in that department during the most critical period in our history for the last 70 years. Theresa May is just the best of a poor bunch and is showing herself to be more populist and less strong and stable with each passing day. The fact that she will win an election with a comfortable majority is a sad reflection on the lack of political leadership and opposition in this country during these challenging times.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Tue May 23, 2017 8:30 am

I didn't mind her although she wasn't tough enough as a Home Secretary although her hands may have been tied to an extent. Whoever is coming up with these latest plans though. Attacking pensioners, people needing care and the self employed is totally unacceptable in my view. The u turns make her lose credibility but they shouldn't have come up with these ideas in the first place. The country needs a viable oppsition.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Tue May 23, 2017 1:04 pm

What did become clear from the interview was that the vast majority of old age pensioners will lose the winter fuel allowance following Theresa May's U-Turn on social care. When discussing this issue many refer to millionaires and wealthy pensioners but even those who have worked all of their lives and put aside some modest savings will now lose this benefit. Theresa May spoke several times about "consulting charities" and "organisations that work with old people" but refused to be drawn on a figure at which the level might be set stating "The least well off pensioners will have their winter fuel payments protected".

To continue to receive this allowance you would need to be on the poverty line struggling to make ends meet.

Posters have today appeared across London with the slogan "Strong and Stable my arse".

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue May 23, 2017 1:42 pm

Just watching his interview with Theresa May.

Naturally, he's giving her an absolute roasting. May is useless at this sort of thing and has never been able to think on her feet.

Looking forward him laying into wee Nicola Sturgeon. It will be nice for all the British people have their record in government exposed.

The other one I'll watch will be the Jeremy Corbyn interview. But I might not be able to stand that till the end. That will be carnage and I imagine Jeremy will get quite animated.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue May 23, 2017 1:47 pm

I'm starting to think that Theresa May is the luckiest politician in the world.

Her challengers in the Conservative leadership contest all killed each other and left her as the only candidate.

She has the most pathetic loser of an opposition leader in the history of British politics.

At the EU she has a Jean-Claude Junker - a man who looks, acts and talks as if he is a UKIP stooge designed to stoke up even more desire for a strong Brexit negotiation.

Her party is unified through no great positioning by herself.

When she fails to get her message across and takes an absolute battering in a prime time interview the morning papers are tragically -but rightly- focused on the awful terrorist atrocity.

That kind of luck can't hold out.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Tue May 23, 2017 2:04 pm

Rowls wrote:I'm starting to think that Theresa May is the luckiest politician in the world.
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That kind of luck can't hold out.

One would assume you are correct, but you just never know.
Not everyone at the EU is a total Juncker. There are many serious and able politicians and negotiators there who are open to a mutually satisfactory deal, but she'll need a large slice of luck to get the sort of amazing deal that she has been promising the British people, especially if she continues to place her trust in buffoons like Boris and Liam Fox. (She herself has already admitted that not getting a good deal could have "dire consequences")
And one can assume that Corbyn's days as leader will be numbered after the Gen Election defeat.
If Corbyn is replaced by someone even more extreme, due to Momentum, then we will probably see a new centre left party coming together who could be a credible challenge to the dominance of her party.
Alternatively, Corbyn might be replaced by someone who is both credible and popular.
So as you imply, she's a person of limited ability who is currently benefiting from a series of events that have collided to put her in an almost unassailable position, but things could change quite rapidly for her in the next 18 months or so if her luck runs out.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue May 23, 2017 2:06 pm

Its a **** poor state of affairs whichever way you look at it.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue May 23, 2017 2:17 pm

But it's not Theresa May's fault Jeremy Corbyn is such a loser.

She's by far our best option for Brexit negotiations with the EU. She gets it.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue May 23, 2017 2:25 pm

Unless she is off script, in which case I'd rather my two cats did it.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Tue May 23, 2017 4:03 pm

Rowls wrote:But it's not Theresa May's fault Jeremy Corbyn is such a loser.

She's by far our best option for Brexit negotiations with the EU. She gets it.

If David Davis, Liam Fox and Boris are the answer then it must be a ridiculous question.