The political leaders debate tonight.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Wed May 31, 2017 8:00 pm

Any teachers watching ?Just how do you control naughty people. If this is the best we have God help us. Rude,opinionated and full of hot air.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed May 31, 2017 8:05 pm

Two best lines so far have been from Angus robertson and Tim farron. JC not doing as well as he has been doing so far

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Wed May 31, 2017 8:22 pm

Tim Farron drives me mad with his constant interruptions, and his insistence on telling us all a personal story about every policy is tiresome.

What a fantastic choice we all face next week.

wickdkewlclaret · Post by **wickdkewlclaret** » Wed May 31, 2017 8:22 pm

Tories getting shown up and geered again!

Good couple of speeches from Angus SNP and Farron.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Wed May 31, 2017 8:23 pm

Amber Rudd states that the Winter Fuel payment will not be paid to billionaires.

why do they need to consult with charities working with the elderly before bringing in such a policy?

They should be honest with the British electorate and admit the truth that they only intend to make the payment to those currently on the poverty line.

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Wed May 31, 2017 8:28 pm

How about some music:

Captain SKA - Liar Liar GE2017

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A song accusing Theresa May of being a "liar" is at number three in the latest Official Singles Chart.

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Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed May 31, 2017 8:33 pm

Paul Nuttall seems to think no one is calling it what it is, which is "Islamic extremism". Who the **** isn't calling it that?

taio · Post by **taio** » Wed May 31, 2017 8:36 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Paul Nuttall seems to think no one is calling it what it is, which is "Islamic extremism". Who the **** isn't calling it that?

Well it didn't go down particularly well and Caroline Lucas decided to twist his words.

BFCmaj · Post by **BFCmaj** » Wed May 31, 2017 8:37 pm

Why does everyone insist on pronouncing Paul Nuttall's name as "Paul Nuttle"?

HankinsHeader · Post by **HankinsHeader** » Wed May 31, 2017 8:43 pm

Shock horror Caroline Lucas actually talking about a green issue .... then says we should ignore the US, what a joke, small minded politics from the worst type of career politician

gawthorpe_view · Post by **gawthorpe_view** » Wed May 31, 2017 8:43 pm

BFCmaj wrote:Why does everyone insist on pronouncing Paul Nuttall's name as "Paul Nuttle"?

Cos there all posh and spoke proprer not lke us plebz.

Just sayin' like.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Wed May 31, 2017 8:43 pm

She said ignore Trump not the US

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed May 31, 2017 8:49 pm

Nuttall had to look at his notes to make sure he got the date of the EU referendum right.

BFCmaj · Post by **BFCmaj** » Wed May 31, 2017 8:55 pm

gawthorpe_view wrote:Cos there all posh and spoke proprer not lke us plebz.

Just sayin' like.

If you're from up t'North, surely then it would be pronounced Nuckle (like keckle, bockle and hospickle).

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Wed May 31, 2017 8:58 pm

I am watching it now and the main question everyone should be asking is...'Where is Theresa May'? We all know exactly why she is not there, she wouldn't be able to handle it, she would be well out of her depth.

As Caroline Lucas and Tim Farron have just pointed out...she called the [unnecessary] Election and then ran away from the debate..pathetic beyond belief, and now everyone knows it.

Strong and stable my @r**

Amber Rudd getting loudly laughed at by the audience is something else.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Wed May 31, 2017 9:01 pm

Good banter from Tim Farron regarding the bake off comment.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed May 31, 2017 9:02 pm

That was pretty funny from roundhead.

taio · Post by **taio** » Wed May 31, 2017 9:02 pm

Natalie Wood was immense tonight!

wickdkewlclaret · Post by **wickdkewlclaret** » Wed May 31, 2017 9:03 pm

Anyone who has been paying attention over the last few weeks, and is not questioning the Tory party needs to take a look at themselves.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Wed May 31, 2017 9:03 pm

What a rudderless ship (no pun) it would be with any of this lot in charge.

My five year old would have fitted in well in that cat fight.

Blindingly obvious why May missed it. Not sure giving equal air time to the Greens, SNP and Plaid Cymru is appropriate. She would always have been ambushed, rather than genuinely debated. She would have spoken for 10 minutes if she was lucky, and been abused for 60.

taio · Post by **taio** » Wed May 31, 2017 9:05 pm

It was a pretty poor debate overall - too many involved.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed May 31, 2017 9:07 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote: (no pun)

Liar.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Wed May 31, 2017 9:12 pm

Watershed moment in the Tory campaign tonight and with TM missing it, I think they have ferked it.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed May 31, 2017 9:17 pm

taio wrote:It was a pretty poor debate overall - too many involved.

Not really a debate at all, more of a squabble.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed May 31, 2017 9:18 pm

Overall opinion appears to be that it damaged May less than if she had been there. Of course, that also highlights how bad May is.

I don't think Corbyn gained anything by being there though

wickdkewlclaret · Post by **wickdkewlclaret** » Wed May 31, 2017 9:23 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:What a rudderless ship (no pun) it would be with any of this lot in charge.

My five year old would have fitted in well in that cat fight.

Blindingly obvious why May missed it. Not sure giving equal air time to the Greens, SNP and Plaid Cymru is appropriate. She would always have been ambushed, rather than genuinely debated. She would have spoken for 10 minutes if she was lucky, and been abused for 60.

Well she is a 'politician' after all and it is a key aspect of her job. Maybe there is a witch hunt because she has a hell of a lot to answer for. For someone who is strong and stable to not defend her post is an absolute joke, and yet she gets the benefit of the doubt through blind support.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed May 31, 2017 9:23 pm

Ms. Lucas has a new job.

EarbyClaret · Post by **EarbyClaret** » Wed May 31, 2017 9:25 pm

What Corbyn gained was the credibility of showing-up.

He obviously made his decision some time in advance. He is running rings around May which doesn't bode well for future Brexit negotiations.

As a Labour voter I would say fair play to Amber Rudd she did a far better job than May probably would have.

Very damaging evening for May. Still think they'll be the largest single party but they have turned what should have been an academic exercise into a proper head-to-head contest where the overall result is now very much in doubt - a complete shambles on behalf of the Conservatives and the country.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Wed May 31, 2017 9:27 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Overall opinion appears to be that it damaged May less than if she had been there. Of course, that also highlights how bad May is.

I don't think Corbyn gained anything by being there though

Agreed, not turning up is a political calculation, it paid off. Amber Rudds dad died on Monday so props to her for going ahead.

wickdkewlclaret · Post by **wickdkewlclaret** » Wed May 31, 2017 9:28 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Overall opinion appears to be that it damaged May less than if she had been there. Of course, that also highlights how bad May is.

I don't think Corbyn gained anything by being there though

If his welcome party was anything to go by he got a lot out of tonight. Vast majority of the crowd in there were behind his points and spoke for the country well.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed May 31, 2017 9:29 pm

EarbyClaret wrote:What Corbyn gained was the credibility of showing-up.

Very damaging evening for May. Still think they'll be the largest single party but they have turned what should have been an academic exercise into a proper head-to-head contest where the overall result is now very much in doubt - a complete shambles on behalf of the Conservatives and the country.

the Conservatives have been in a bit of a state since the Leave/Remain referendum.
Corbyn is doing well recently, but won't win outright.
I'm beginning to think we'll get a hung parliament.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Wed May 31, 2017 9:29 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Overall opinion appears to be that it damaged May less than if she had been there. Of course, that also highlights how bad May is.

I don't think Corbyn gained anything by being there though

He did if Diane Abbott was the alternative.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Wed May 31, 2017 9:35 pm

taio wrote:Natalie Wood was immense tonight!

Leanne wood

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed May 31, 2017 9:36 pm

Funny and correct at the same time.

I think if Corbyn hadn't have been there then May's absense would have been less damaging to the Tory campaign. By simply turning up Corbyn has out maneuvered May, who had no choice but to skip it after Corbyn confirmed his attendence or she'd have been faced with accusations that she's dancing to Corbyn's tune, or that if she's such a great leader then why is she following Corbyn's example? It was politicking on both sides but in the end Corbyn showed up.

taio · Post by **taio** » Wed May 31, 2017 9:37 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:Leanne wood

Yep I know.

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Wed May 31, 2017 9:38 pm

Apart from Tories and Ukip all other parties agree to end the cuts effecting most working class people.

The problem labour has is many old school labour voters will agree with Corbyn on his plans to invest in public services, but cannot get over the immigration policy and therefore won't vote labour. It seems to be the main issues for some people.

JohnDearyMe · Post by **JohnDearyMe** » Wed May 31, 2017 9:40 pm

Theresa May's disastrous campaign continues.

Amber Rudd turned up in her place even though her father recently passed away. What a coward

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Wed May 31, 2017 9:40 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:Leanne wood

Oh dear.
It was the best post on this thread! (IMO)

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Wed May 31, 2017 9:50 pm

taio wrote:Yep I know.

Oh?

Enlighten me please

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Wed May 31, 2017 9:52 pm

It would have been stupid for Theresa May to have turned up for this fairly pointless squabble. As someone said, it would have been open season. Corbyn only turned up at the last minute to capitalise on her absence. It did him no favours and to me he came across as as lightweight as most of the others. Amber Rudd did a fairly good job and managed to quell Corbyn's attempted rants quite well, pointing out that she was hoping to exchange views with her adversary Abbott. Corbyn still comes across to me as Fred Kite.

' Have you ever been to Russia, Mr. Kite?'

' No not yet. It's one place I'd like to go to though. All those cornfields and ballet in the evening.'

taio · Post by **taio** » Wed May 31, 2017 9:57 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:Oh?

Enlighten me please

Coz Paul Nuttall told me she was called Natalie.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Wed May 31, 2017 9:59 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Oh dear.
It was the best post on this thread! (IMO)

still don't get it?

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Wed May 31, 2017 10:00 pm

taio wrote:Coz Paul Nuttall told me she was called Natalie.

Or to be clear- since it appears you haven't been keeping up, that's what the hapless Nuttle kept calling her last time.
(Natalie Wood being a very glamorous film star and former wife of Robert Wagner if it needs any further explanation)

wickdkewlclaret · Post by **wickdkewlclaret** » Wed May 31, 2017 10:00 pm

'Amber Rudd did a fairly good job'

The popularity of Corbyn appeared far to much for Amber to take, and she wished she was against Abbott. It's worth noting Rudd got jeered numerous times by the neutral crowd. Good job.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Wed May 31, 2017 10:02 pm

taio wrote:Coz Paul Nuttall told me she was called Natalie.

Oh ok missed that bit

JohnDearyMe · Post by **JohnDearyMe** » Wed May 31, 2017 10:03 pm

dermotdermot wrote:It would have been stupid for Theresa May to have turned up for this fairly pointless squabble. As someone said, it would have been open season. Corbyn only turned up at the last minute to capitalise on her absence. It did him no favours and to me he came across as as lightweight as most of the others. Amber Rudd did a fairly good job and managed to quell Corbyn's attempted rants quite well, pointing out that she was hoping to exchange views with her adversary Abbott. Corbyn still comes across to me as Fred Kite.

' Have you ever been to Russia, Mr. Kite?'

' No not yet. It's one place I'd like to go to though. All those cornfields and ballet in the evening.'

It would have been stupid for the PM to turn up and debate the other leaders ahead of a snap general election that she recently called? Her absence showed she was either scared or she has contempt for the British public

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Wed May 31, 2017 10:05 pm

wickdkewlclaret wrote:'Amber Rudd did a fairly good job'

The popularity of Corbyn appeared far to much for Amber to take, and she wished she was against Abbott. It's worth noting Rudd got jeered numerous times by the neutral crowd. Good job.

It was a fairly neutral crowd but Corbyn's supporters will always make more noise. He didn't sway the audience. He was mundane.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed May 31, 2017 10:05 pm

At least he showed up, Dermot.

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Wed May 31, 2017 10:07 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:At least he showed up, Dermot.

Only at the last minute, IT. A tactical ploy.

JohnDearyMe · Post by **JohnDearyMe** » Wed May 31, 2017 10:10 pm

dermotdermot wrote:Only at the last minute, IT. A tactical ploy.

Tactical ploy? Bit like calling a snap election when the polls looked to be in her favour you mean?