Interview with the Liberal (none democrat) Leader

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:19 pm

Being totally destroyed by Andrew Neil on BBC now.

Liar when he says he accepts the result of the EU referendum.

cloughyclaret · Post by **cloughyclaret** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:20 pm

Absolute shambles. He's painful. Red as a beetroot.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:34 pm

I have just had a vision that Andrew should lead the discussions with the EU. That was so one-sided that the towel should have been throw in after 2 minutes.

The Lib Dems are in for a deseved thrashing and it is totally an own goal. This is a 2 party race. One nation Tories v Communists.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:41 pm

Bad bad interview for him...........and he cannot console himself with his favourite football's team seasons highlights video

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:19 pm

3..good evening summit..

'Communists'....would you be good enough to get your copy of the Labour manifesto out or access it on line, and perhaps indicate which sections or paragraphs/pages contain the Communist stuff,..I would love to know - I am surprised by your comment because [perhaps surprisingly] this manifesto has received widespread support across the country....I thought you might have read about it?

- if you can clearly show me any 'Communist' stuff in there, then they won't get my vote, no chance...but you'll have to show me..

You could of course just be 'smearing'... a common Tory tactic of the last three weeks - that would be a bad move though as this fake news/negative campaigning/blatant lying would appear to be going down badly with voters, and is a significant reason why the opinion polls have narrowed so much in the last fortnight....it is evidently a backfiring tactic, and should probably be dumped...not my problem though.

Anyway summit....any communist manifesto info would be appreciated..cheers.

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:37 pm

What a Sherwood

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:38 pm

Just 2 comments comment Coryben and his record .

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:40 pm

hampsteadclaret wrote: if you can clearly show me any 'Communist' stuff in there, then they won't get my vote, no chance...but you'll have to show me..

John McDonnell.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lCcFjRhiaw

John McDonnell again... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEuKBxdyy-Q

Politicians make speeches and address meetings, presumably to get their message across. I'm merely helping Mr McDonnell get his views over to a wider audience...

As a man of your word, I take it you'll be abstaining on June 8th ??

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:45 pm

Why do you think so many Labour mps disown him?

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:30 pm

In post 5 I made a simple request - no one was able to deal with it.

I got other stuff instead that I didn't ask for from Clarets4me..cheers for that, I looked at both youtube items.
- all politicians have got previous...no doubt that clot Boris regards himself as a 'one nation Tory' - shall I post some of that lovely Bullingdon Club stuff which so embarrassed the Tories, that they [David Cameron] tried to get the photos banned...why not..? The photos make good viewing.

https://www.google.co.uk/?gfe_rd=cr&ei= ... lub+photos" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

'As a man of your word, I take it you'll be abstaining on June 8th ?? - why would I, no one showed me anything I asked for.

Amaze me - talk about the content of the two main manifesto's.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:37 pm

What's a none democrat?

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:37 pm

As bad as he was, at least he is honest enough to admit they cannot afford to do everything they would like to do (abolish university fees etc)
Unlike Corbyn who is promising billions of pounds to everyone and getting the rich to pay for it

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:39 pm

Someone that says they accept the referendum outcome but clearly does not. Simples.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:40 pm

Damo....'Unlike Corbyn who is promising billions of pounds to everyone'..

Really..I must have missed that bit.
What page is it on?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:46 pm

Damo wrote:As bad as he was, at least he is honest enough to admit they cannot afford to do everything they would like to do (abolish university fees etc)
Unlike Corbyn who is promising billions of pounds to everyone and getting the rich to pay for it

Yes, because raising corporation tax to below what it was 7 years ago is literally communism.

I don't expect Corbyn to do everything he wants, but at this point settle for him simply not saddling the poor with the responcibility of reducing the deficit. And not systematically gutting the NHS like the Tories have been doing for 7 years.

And what kind of dumb ******* ***** sell off a profit-making piece of the government, the Land Registry? How more obvious do the priorities of the Tories have to be before you start to doubt them?

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:52 pm

I think Damo's gone to bed.

question - if Theresa May cannot debate..can she negotiate?

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:22 pm

hampsteadclaret wrote:In post 5 I made a simple request - no one was able to deal with it.

I got other stuff instead that I didn't ask for from Clarets4me..cheers for that, I looked at both youtube items.
- all politicians have got previous...no doubt that clot Boris regards himself as a 'one nation Tory' - shall I post some of that lovely Bullingdon Club stuff which so embarrassed the Tories, that they [David Cameron] tried to get the photos banned...why not..? The photos make good viewing.

https://www.google.co.uk/?gfe_rd=cr&ei= ... lub+photos" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

'As a man of your word, I take it you'll be abstaining on June 8th ?? - why would I, no one showed me anything I asked for.

Amaze me - talk about the content of the two main manifesto's.

You and I probably hold similar views on the " Bullingdon Club ", but the fact remains that was when Cameron/Johnson were 20/21 and students...

John Mc Donnell's utterances about being a Marxist, and supporting mob violence and insurrection were made when he was an elected Member of Parliament, as were Corbyn's condemnation of the retaking of the Falklands, and his support for a United Ireland, against the wishes of the people of the Province. The fact remains that a self declared Marxist would become Chancellor under a Labour Government, and MI5 & MI6 would report directly to Diane Abbott as Home Secretary, should Labour win on June 8th...

According to you, there's no trace of Communism in the Labour manifesto, but you need to look at the people who are charged with it's implementation..

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 2:10 am

Clarets4me..17

'According to you, there's no trace of Communism in the Labour manifesto'

Well what about according to you?
Are you suggesting that there are Communist policies in the Labour manifesto?
Where are they exactly?...page?..paragraph?
Have you even read the manifesto?
Please stop smearing..it's a poor substitute for proper debate and the public are getting sick of it.

Boris Johnson is as much of a **** now as he was in his bullying Bullingdon days, he doesn't fool me.

I have no time for Diane Abbott, and I hope she gets dropped.

Labour are not going to win the election.
If by some freak they did win, they would begin to implement their manifesto.
It is progressive and there is a great deal to do.
- if they are too extreme as you suggest, they would never get more than one term.
There is no point is there in this approach?
Therefore the extremism which you suggest will not happen.

Do you really want 5 more years of austerity? Why?

Who has the best manifesto Clarets4me?

Are you impressed with how Theresa May is handling this campaign?

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:34 am

hampsteadclaret wrote: Do you really want 5 more years of austerity? Why?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:17 am

When did Labour ruin the economy? Oh yeah, they caused that solar-system wide crash. I forgot. Oh look, under the Tories we're the worst performing advanced ecnoomy thanks to their austerity and stupid decision to promise a referendum on something about which they refused to inform us on. So we made an uninformed decision and the economy suffered. Somehow though that'll be Labour's fault too.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:42 am

Most parties get elected on a background of a cock up in the economy (real or imagined ) by the sitting party.
This time whilst the economy has done well there is no feel good factor by most and despite the Claim that the better off have had tax cuts I do not see that in my tax return. Never the less despite the economy not having tanked(yet) the Tory manifesto and campaign rest second only to Labour's manifesto of 1983 merely because IMO it is not the longest suicide note but a shorter one. Even if the Tories get back in we will have a wounded PM who surely should be gone straight after the election. It will be about the worst outcome possible for our Brexit negotiations and in all probability should lead to a second referendum IMO.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:29 am

mdd2 wrote:Most parties get elected on a background of a cock up in the economy (real or imagined ) by the sitting party.
This time whilst the economy has done well there is no feel good factor by most and despite the Claim that the better off have had tax cuts I do not see that in my tax return. Never the less despite the economy not having tanked(yet) the Tory manifesto and campaign rest second only to Labour's manifesto of 1983 merely because IMO it is not the longest suicide note but a shorter one. Even if the Tories get back in we will have a wounded PM who surely should be gone straight after the election. It will be about the worst outcome possible for our Brexit negotiations and in all probability should lead to a second referendum IMO.

The whole election campaign has been a cock up for her. She called it after saying repeatedly there wouldn't be one. Then the NHS IT got attacked after the Tories had cut funding to NHS IT security. Then Manchester got attacked after they had cut funding and called warnings that it could lead to an attack "scaremongering" and "crying wolf". She made the campaign about personalities and as it turns out people actually quite like Corbyn and don't like May, then they released a manifesto that was a massive "**** you" to the biggest Tory voting block which led to an embarrassing U-turn which she insisted wasn't a U-turn but we can all see that it was. Then she didn't bother turning up for a leaders debate in an election she called. What the actual ****?

Meanwhile Corbyn's playing a blinder. Hasn't once complained about the hand he was dealt by the insane and vicious attacks he's had to deal with for nearly two years from the right-wing press intent on presenting him as some kind of terrorist sympathising pacifist (seriously, how is that combo possible?) who hates Britain. Instead he's just got on with the job of presenting his party's policies and conducted himself with the utmost decency, which is exactly what we've been crying out for for decades. And it's working. People are realising that he's not at all like how the Mail and Telegraph have presented him.

I was only lukewarm with my support for Labour at first because my prefered choice is putting up an anti-equality candidate in Birtwistle, and Labour said they'll support PR so they had my vote, but with the way May has completely crumbled suggesting she's the worst person possible to lead us off the Brexit cliff, and how Corbyn's conducting himself and with his ambitious, progressive manifesto i'm fully onboard.

Unfortunately for this country it's probably not going to be enough by June 8th. Maybe another week or two and he could change more minds but we're still highly likely to end up with a Tory PM and an increased majority but t least Labour have seen how much progress can be made in just a few weeks if they actually support a left-wing leader instead of trying to take the legs from under him/her at every opportunity and if they keep on this progressive path then they'll take over in 2022 when they'll have to pick the country up from it's knees after the Tories have finished off ******* up the NHS and Brexit.

But the most important thing about next Thursday night will come at 10pm next Thursday when one political wing or another, or even both, lose their minds and it's going to be hilarious and if we're all honest with ourselves that's really the only thing we're all looking forward to.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:50 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:The whole election campaign has been a cock up for her. She called it after saying repeatedly there wouldn't be one. Then the NHS IT got attacked after the Tories had cut funding to NHS IT security. Then Manchester got attacked after they had cut funding and called warnings that it could lead to an attack "scaremongering" and "crying wolf". She made the campaign about personalities and as it turns out people actually quite like Corbyn and don't like May, then they released a manifesto that was a massive "**** you" to the biggest Tory voting block which led to an embarrassing U-turn which she insisted wasn't a U-turn but we can all see that it was. Then she didn't bother turning up for a leaders debate in an election she called. What the actual ****?

Meanwhile Corbyn's playing a blinder. Hasn't once complained about the hand he was dealt by the insane and vicious attacks he's had to deal with for nearly two years from the right-wing press intent on presenting him as some kind of terrorist sympathising pacifist (seriously, how is that combo possible?) who hates Britain. Instead he's just got on with the job of presenting his party's policies and conducted himself with the utmost decency, which is exactly what we've been crying out for for decades. And it's working. People are realising that he's not at all like how the Mail and Telegraph have presented him.

I was only lukewarm with my support for Labour at first because my prefered choice is putting up an anti-equality candidate in Birtwistle, and Labour said they'll support PR so they had my vote, but with the way May has completely crumbled suggesting she's the worst person possible to lead us off the Brexit cliff, and how Corbyn's conducting himself and with his ambitious, progressive manifesto i'm fully onboard.

Unfortunately for this country it's probably not going to be enough by June 8th. Maybe another week or two and he could change more minds but we're still highly likely to end up with a Tory PM and an increased majority but t least Labour have seen how much progress can be made in just a few weeks if they actually support a left-wing leader instead of trying to take the legs from under him/her at every opportunity and if they keep on this progressive path then they'll take over in 2022 when they'll have to pick the country up from it's knees after the Tories have finished off ******* up the NHS and Brexit.

But the most important thing about next Thursday night will come at 10pm next Thursday when one political wing or another, or even both, lose their minds and it's going to be hilarious and if we're all honest with ourselves that's really the only thing we're all looking forward to.

It's likely she'll win but without the size of majority she desired, even if it's, just, an overall majority. Going forward whoever advised her to go into her shell, is either after her job or misguided.
As for Corbyn, it's time to stop backing a loser, which even if he somehow won he'd crash in months to a year.
I actually think Farage is the most credible leader, but he's blown a gasket.
The Labour Party needed John Smith, what came after was so un Labour that its led to a re igniting of the looney left.
When they get David Milliband back from his travels, doing good in the world, they'll win by a majority if not a landslide... imo

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:10 am

Farage as our PM would be absolutely amazing. By far our best politician in many a year.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:15 am

Right_winger wrote:Farage as our PM would be absolutely amazing. By far our best politician in many a year.

Funny how the far-right keep being attracted to Putin's puppets.

kendaldave · Post by **kendaldave** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:27 am

What people actually forget, Damo, is that is under Labour we had a ‘strong and stable’ economy for over 10 years from 1997 to 2007 until the global financial crash in 2008 that the Tories somehow continue to blame the Labour government for at every opportunity!

In reality, Gordon Brown was the first political leader to understand that the only way to avoid a cataclysmic meltdown of the world’s financial system was by a massive recapitalisation of the banks. It required both a tremendous grasp of the way the world economy operated and the guts to take a massive political risk to lead the way which the rest of the world then copied. Hence the argument has been made in certain quarters (admittedly a little overstated) that Gordon Brown saved the world economy.

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:42 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Funny how the far-right keep being attracted to Putin's puppets.

Far right

More like centre right but anyway.

No doubt you will come out with how evil farage is etc in your usual roundabout way.

He's one of a very few who say what he ( and most people) actually thinks.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:48 am

Right_winger wrote:Far right

More like centre right but anyway.

No doubt you will come out with how evil farage is etc in your usual roundabout way.

He's one of a very few who say what he ( and most people) actually thinks.

He doesn't say what he thinks thought. He thought it would be OK to continue arguing in the event of a 52-48 result. But then changed his mind after the 52-48 result because it was politically convenient. If someone is this kind of a hypocrite then they're thinking mutually exclusive things.

He also thinks immigrations caused him to be late for a rally

so if he says what he thinks then he's an idiot. So it's no surprise you like him, i guess.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:50 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:When did Labour ruin the economy? Oh yeah, they caused that solar-system wide crash. I forgot. Oh look, under the Tories we're the worst performing advanced ecnoomy thanks to their austerity and stupid decision to promise a referendum on something about which they refused to inform us on. So we made an uninformed decision and the economy suffered. Somehow though that'll be Labour's fault too.

Awkward?

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:53 am

Corbyn 18

Annual deficit £ 0
NHS Budget £387.5bn
Minimum Wage £10
Tax Free Allowance £25,000 (just gonna tax the top 5%)
Unemplyment 0%
GDP Diane is still adding this up

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:57 am

Damo wrote:Awkward?

You're still blaming Labour for the global crash. This is why it's impossible to talk about this with people like you, you're just ridiculous.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:59 am

But the most important thing about next Thursday night will come at 10pm next Thursday when one political wing or another, or even both, lose their minds and it's going to be hilarious and if we're all honest with ourselves that's really the only thing we're all looking forward to.

It would be IT if it weren't so serious. We are likely going to have a wimp now negotiating Brexit unless the Tories can get rid of May.
As Dell would say "what a plonker" and this from usually a Tory since Healey lied to me about inflation in ?October 1974

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:11 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:He doesn't say what he thinks thought. He thought it would be OK to continue arguing in the event of a 52-48 result. But then changed his mind after the 52-48 result because it was politically convenient. If someone is this kind of a hypocrite then they're thinking mutually exclusive things.

He also thinks immigrations caused him to be late for a rally so if he says what he thinks then he's an idiot. So it's no surprise you like him, i guess.

You really don't have to try to be a complete ******* do you as it's Natural.

Ok then propve your point IT. Show me hard proof to verify your point, otherwise I will just conclude that you are opening up your cheeks and letting out a noise as per usual.

You can use any of your other profiles to reply if you wish.

SammyBoy · Post by **SammyBoy** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:12 pm

Damo wrote:Awkward?

What source did you get those figures from?

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:13 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You're still blaming Labour for the global crash. This is why it's impossible to talk about this with people like you, you're just ridiculous.

Actually no, you are ridiculous and use this defence mechanism of deflection when you have been caught with your pants down.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:13 pm

Right_winger wrote:You really don't have to try to be a complete ******* do you as it's Natural.

Ok then propve your point IT. Show me hard proof to verify your point, otherwise I will just conclude that you are opening up your cheeks and letting out a noise as per usual.

You can use any of your other profiles to reply if you wish.

Which point?

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:14 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Which point?

The one you have made previously about Farage.

Are we just stalling for time whilst you furiously search the internet for anything which may back you up?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:17 pm

Right_winger wrote:The one you have made previously about Farage.

Are we just stalling for time whilst you furiously search the internet for anything which may back you up?

No problem. Wasn't stalling, just wanted you to be absolutely clear about which point you want me to spend time proving. But since you refused i'm just going to pick one and watch how you say "no not that one". lol.

"In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e ... m-36306681" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:19 pm

Right_winger wrote:The one you have made previously about Farage.

Are we just stalling for time whilst you furiously search the internet for anything which may back you up?

Give him/them a chance. He needs time to log in and out to make it appear there's more than one poster with the same ludicrous opinion as him

Word of advice. Take it or leave it.

Never argue with an idiot. They'll just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:19 pm

I think the words you're looking for, Right_winger, are "oh ****, he's not talking ****. Farage really is a hypocritical ****". Followed by "sorry".

Edit: right_winger right now - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31g0YE61PLQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Foshiznik · Post by **Foshiznik** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:35 pm

Damo wrote:Awkward?

Oooh, can I play?

1. Junior doctors' contracts
2. The scrapping maintenance grants
3. Cuts to Personal Independence Payments (PIP)
4. Boundary Reform
5. Academies
6. Highly controversial anti-terrorism strategy
7. Crackdown on trade unions - Plans to criminalise picketing
8. Fox hunting
9. Snooper's Charter
10. Refugee crisis

Until the cuts to vital services impact on your own personal life, you don't realise how vicious and harming they are to our country's most vulnerable.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:15 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You're still blaming Labour for the global crash. This is why it's impossible to talk about this with people like you, you're just ridiculous.

We all know the global crash was Gordon Brown's fault for selling off our gold, or something.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:54 pm

You're miles away aren't you Greenmile, the two events aren't even connected.

But then you possibly know that, and you're just having a bit of sport..

You might as well in this sh1tstorm, with so much 'fake news' [how I hate that term] lying propaganda and ignorance flying about.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:56 pm

#43 oh my god!

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:29 pm

hampsteadclaret wrote:You're miles away aren't you Greenmile, the two events aren't even connected.

But then you possibly know that, and you're just having a bit of sport..

You might as well in this sh1tstorm, with so much 'fake news' [how I hate that term] lying propaganda and ignorance flying about.

Yes, it was supposed to be a kind of parody of the people who see Brown / Labour as solely responsible for the downturn in our economy in 2008 (they always bring up the gold thing for some reason).

I wasn't trying to purvey "fake news" or even "fake opinion" - just sarcasm, I suppose. Doesn't always come across on the page / screen though, does it?

Imagine me saying it like Ray, from the Mary Whitehouse Experience.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nq_A6IYJYu4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:00 pm

Damo there is a great deal wrong with your post above - 29

First of all what is the source of your stats..?...it is important to put this information on, otherwise posters can make up any numbers they like.

Are the data you have quoted in money terms or real terms..this is of crucial importance otherwise you cannot meaningfully compare 2010 and 2017..?

- you need to include the effects of inflation or the data doesn't mean a thing.

- simple example...if a father gives his son £20 a week in Year 1 then increases it next year to £25 a week then the son has had a 25% increase in money terms.
Over this period, the inflation rate = 30%. Therefore the child is less well off, his spending power has gone down, though the money in his hand has gone up.
That is one reason why your 'data' is badly flawed.

*How can you have a figure for GDP in 2017 when we are only in early June 2017?!..

that is impossible
- we have to wait to the end of the year before we can add it up!

**Similarly..how can you have an annual deficit figure for this year when we are not even half way through the year - this is just nonsense.

How can you calculate Unemployment for 2017 [you say 4.6%] when we are only in June 2017?

*** Your GDP figures are a joke...we do not have an annual GDP of £400+ billion..it is at least 4 or 5 times bigger than that...I will try and find an accurate figure..
It is $2629 trillion [wiki] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_o ... ed_Kingdom" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I will try and find it in [£]sterling.... Using this link ttps://www.statista.com/statistics/281744/gdp- ... ince-2000/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

- UK GDP IN 2016 [the last full year] was slightly less than £2 trillion.

Damo..the figures you have provided in your unsourced data relate to one quarter of the year [JAN-FEB-MAR]...you need to quote for a full year.

Your data above are hardly helpful for your own argument...i am looking at your stats for NHS spending, minimum wage...they both show small increases over seven Tory years, which average out to pretty small increases - not much to shout about is it?

The tax free allowance improvement was a LIB DEM policy, which the Tories then tried to claim credit for.

With respect Damo..that is a shocker...it is absolutely full of holes.

Stay away from the economics I would say.

Yet Ringo and dpinsussex have liked it..wtf? - which bits?

taio · Post by **taio** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:15 pm

hampsteadclaret wrote:Damo there is a great deal wrong with your post above - 29

First of all what is the source of your stats..?...it is important to put this information on, otherwise posters can make up any numbers they like.

Are the data you have quoted in money terms or real terms..this is of crucial importance otherwise you cannot meaningfully compare 2010 and 2017..?

- you need to include the effects of inflation or the data doesn't mean a thing.

- simple example...if a father gives his son £20 a week in Year 1 then increases it next year to £25 a week then the son has had a 25% increase in money terms.
Over this period, the inflation rate = 10%. Therefore the child is less well off, his spending power has gone down, though the money in his hand has gone up.
That is one reason why your 'data' is badly flawed.

*How can you have a figure for GDP in 2017 when we are only in early June 2017?!.. that is impossible
- we have to wait to the end of the year before we can add it up!

**Similarly..how can you have an annual deficit figure for this year when we are not even half way through the year - this is just nonsense.

How can you calculate Unemployment for 2017 [you say 4.6%] when we are only in June 2017?

*** Your GDP figures are a joke...we do not have an annual GDP of £400+ billion..it is at least 4 or 5 times bigger than that...I will try and find an accurate figure..
It is $2629 trillion [wiki] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_o ... ed_Kingdom" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I will try and find it in [£]sterling.... Using this link ttps://www.statista.com/statistics/281744/gdp- ... ince-2000/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

- UK GDP IN 2016 [the last full year] was slightly less than £2 billion.

Damo..the figures you have provided in your unsourced data relate to one quarter of the year [JAN-FEB-MAR]...you need to quote for a full year.

Your data above are hardly helpful for your own argument...i am looking at your stats for NHS spending, minimum wage...they both show small increases over seven Tory years, which average out to pretty small increases - not much to shout about is it?

The tax free allowance improvement was a LIB DEM policy, which the Tories then tried to claim credit for.

With respect Damo..that is a shocker...it is absolutely full of holes.

Stay away from the economics I would say.

Yet Ringo and dpinsussex have liked it..wtf? - which bits?

In your simple example you say the son's money has increased by 25% with inflation at 10%. How does this translate into less spending power?

UK GDP is certainly more than £2 billion unless you had converted it into hours.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:22 pm

taio..fair point my example is faulty, I will correct it....the inflation rate should be 30%.

With regard to GDP I put a link up...I will put it up again..it is a bar chart, see the 2016 figure.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/281 ... ince-2000/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Have you any other comments on Damo's unsourced 'data' ?

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:45 pm

hampsteadclaret wrote:Damo there is a great deal wrong with your post above - 29

First of all what is the source of your stats..?...it is important to put this information on, otherwise posters can make up any numbers they like.

Are the data you have quoted in money terms or real terms..this is of crucial importance otherwise you cannot meaningfully compare 2010 and 2017..?

- you need to include the effects of inflation or the data doesn't mean a thing.

- simple example...if a father gives his son £20 a week in Year 1 then increases it next year to £25 a week then the son has had a 25% increase in money terms.
Over this period, the inflation rate = 30%. Therefore the child is less well off, his spending power has gone down, though the money in his hand has gone up.
That is one reason why your 'data' is badly flawed.

*How can you have a figure for GDP in 2017 when we are only in early June 2017?!.. that is impossible
- we have to wait to the end of the year before we can add it up!

**Similarly..how can you have an annual deficit figure for this year when we are not even half way through the year - this is just nonsense.

How can you calculate Unemployment for 2017 [you say 4.6%] when we are only in June 2017?

*** Your GDP figures are a joke...we do not have an annual GDP of £400+ billion..it is at least 4 or 5 times bigger than that...I will try and find an accurate figure..
It is $2629 trillion [wiki] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_o ... ed_Kingdom" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I will try and find it in [£]sterling.... Using this link ttps://www.statista.com/statistics/281744/gdp- ... ince-2000/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

- UK GDP IN 2016 [the last full year] was slightly less than £2 billion.

Damo..the figures you have provided in your unsourced data relate to one quarter of the year [JAN-FEB-MAR]...you need to quote for a full year.

Your data above are hardly helpful for your own argument...i am looking at your stats for NHS spending, minimum wage...they both show small increases over seven Tory years, which average out to pretty small increases - not much to shout about is it?

The tax free allowance improvement was a LIB DEM policy, which the Tories then tried to claim credit for.

With respect Damo..that is a shocker...it is absolutely full of holes.

Stay away from the economics I would say.

Yet Ringo and dpinsussex have liked it..wtf? - which bits?

You are welcome to try and pull my post apart.
Don't expect me to do your research for you though.
You clearly have plenty of time to yourself.
Use it constructively instead of spending hours, and hours writing nonsense that nobody really reads

taio · Post by **taio** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:46 pm

hampsteadclaret wrote:taio..fair point my example is faulty, I will correct it....the inflation rate should be 30%.

With regard to GDP I put a link up...I will put it up again..it is a bar chart, see the 2016 figure.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/281 ... ince-2000/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Have you any other comments on Damo's unsourced 'data' ?

I get Damo's GDP figures - think they are quarterly. I don't get yours at all though. You quote £2 billion - by my reckoning that equates to about half a day's worth of GDP. Prior to that you said $2629 trillion - let's just say that'd have to be over quite along time to say the least!