I don't think she knows does she..?

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:47 am

In the interests of balance, having laughed and pointed at the Dianne Abbott stuff...check this one out.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics ... 56946.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Way more important than this stuff..[yer know..who can remember what, from some dusty Government document] is the session that I saw twice today, where Theresa May in a library somewhere with a tame Tory audience as usual..was asked some questions by the media.

I think it was mentioned that she had faced 19 questions, seven of which related to depleted police numbers on HER WATCH.
- on each occasion she refused to answer the questions properly, she just burbled on about other stuff that she had not been asked.

Just who does she think she's fooling?

This is way more important stuff than failing to remember stats from some old paperwork.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:58 am

she is an embarrassment to the UK

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:41 am

Yes Vegas I agree..

Hapag Lloyd · Post by **Hapag Lloyd** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:47 am

hampsteadclaret wrote:In the interests of balance

You have absolutely no interest in balance.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:50 am

Hapag Lloyd wrote:You have absolutely no interest in balance.

He is unhinged, he is hardly likely to favour balance

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:52 am

hampsteadclaret wrote:I think it was mentioned that she had faced 19 questions, seven of which related to depleted police numbers on HER WATCH.

I'm surprised she didn't say it was fake news.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:53 am

Hapag Lloyd [great name by the way].. Well..this board has been full of anti-Abbott stuff for ten days because she made a mess of an interview.

The link in the OP is an attempt to balance that.

- so...1=1

Do you not get that?

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:53 am

1 interview ?

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:57 am

5..'He is unhinged'.. that the best you can do?

I don't need to answer that do I?

You got any deep insights [

] into the main election issues claretdom or can you only do insults?

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:02 am

Deep insights ? As oppose to standing on the pavement with poms poms shouting Corbyn Corbyn ra ra ra

The main election will be the same as any in recent times, there are none that you would ideally vote for as they are all stupid and crap in their own way, sadly for you Corbyn is the worst of the lot and in that I include Farron & Sturgeon that's how low he is.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:04 am

10..

'they are all stupid and crap in their own way'.

Well I did ask..

Appreciated.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:09 am

Apologies hamstead, what I should have said was they are all stupid and crap apart from the ones you like, all parties are poor performing apart from the one you vote for.

You should stand yourself you have all the answers, maybe form a smug or patronising party

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:52 am

Look you can't help yourself...you're just doing the insults again..?

Resist..

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:01 am

Despite his obvious limitations you have to admit Corbyn is a very good campaigner, albeit a bit creepy.

Imagine if he gets in and stays in long enough to start introducing all the things he, Diane and John have campaigned for during 40 years when everyone else told them to shut up or grow up. It'll be a lot more interesting than the campaign I tell thee.

Interesting absence of the usual swathes of luvvies urging us to vote the way they think we should. They're all crapping it too

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:25 am

Rather than having loads of extra Plod wandering around I'd rather have a proactive intelligence led force that is flexible enough to react to the fast changing criminal environment.

We need more subcontractors who are specialists in areas like accounting and cyber tech to assist the police, custody officers, admin, IT, HR, etc don't need tone "police" they just need good.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:26 am

A lame duck of a PM re-elected on Thursday ? Just what we need.
Whatever the result, her attempt at silencing her critics by calling a snap election has backfired spectacularly.
The divisions are there, if not even wider, and it's become obvious she has absolutely nothing to offer. Completely negative, completely clueless.
Nailed on to become our most feeble PM ever, even worse than Cameron - and what a prick he was.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:27 am

Say it again, but both leaders are unsuitable for the massive job they have on.

I'm leaning towards Corbyn as at least he has fresh ideas. May appears to be heading as the Trump Lite candidate, and she can do one if she's going that way.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:27 am

Burnley Ace wrote:Rather than having loads of extra Plod wandering around I'd rather have a proactive intelligence led force that is flexible enough to react to the fast changing criminal environment.

We need more subcontractors who are specialists in areas like accounting and cyber tech to assist the police, custody officers, admin, IT, HR, etc don't need tone "police" they just need good.

Community policing is one of the major ways intelligence is gathered. The Police Federation made this point to Theresa May in 2015 when she was cutting them. She responded by calling them scaremongers and saying they were crying wolf.

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:32 am

By Community Policing do you mean PCSO? And "neighbourhood teams"?

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:36 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Say it again, but both leaders are unsuitable for the massive job they have on.

I'm leaning towards Corbyn as at least he has fresh ideas. May appears to be heading as the Trump Lite candidate, and she can do one if she's going that way.

I partly agree Lancaster, but there's nothing fresh about Corbyn's ideas. They've been tried before, but not recently in the Western world (maybe Greece apart).

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:40 am

I don't know which part of his manifest you are reading Guich, but 95% of it is bang normal for every other country in Europe.

The state has to play a part in everything, and you can't keep cutting the stuff that keeps us all safe, and then claim that the other guy is a security risk.

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:51 am

Okay Lancaster - but maybe it's what isn't in the manifesto that may be more pertinent.

We need public services of course; but there will always be disagreement on how much we should spend, how much we should borrow, where there is waste and where there is shortage. As always the answer tends to lie in the middle and not at the two extremes.

The choice we have is a (previously) centrist Tory who is pretending to be further right, and an extreme left novice who is pretending to be kind and charming.

If our cat was standing...I'd vote for him

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:52 am

Guich wrote:Okay Lancaster - but maybe it's what isn't in the manifesto that may be more pertinent.

Oh for ***** sake.

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:54 am

Does anyone ever do what they say in the manifesto IT? Donald Trump apart of course

pureclaret · Post by **pureclaret** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:55 am

having seen a lot of the political views on here and watching lots of question time etc I am almost at the same view of my mother inlaw. She has voted conservative all her life, but feels that she is at a cross roads her statement made sense to me '' how can you vote for a woman with legs like she has there to thin difficult to support some one who looks like she cant stand on her feet to do a full days work, but when I look at the alternative I am going to have to vote for her'' . So forget all the politics the back stabing etc just vote for a person who looks like they are able to do a full days graft stood up.
Should add My mother in law was a hairdresser owned her own business and brought up 2 children and her ageing perents, she is 84 and still helps lookng after her great grandchildren 2 days per week and brings sunday evening meal round to us every week.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:55 am

Cool, then vote for the Greens or the Lib Dems, or even UKIP then.

You have to vote for what you want, or you can't really complain if you don't get it.

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:57 am

Does any one else think that TM's stance is the same as Gru in Despicable Me?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:59 am

No

I like Gru!

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:00 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Cool, then vote for the Greens or the Lib Dems, or even UKIP then.

You have to vote for what you want, or you can't really complain if you don't get it.

That's the problem Lanc - neither of the two possible options are particularly attractive. But as we become more polarised the tendency is to vote against the one you dislike the most.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:03 am

Personally think she's dead in the water whatever happens come Thursday/Friday, and hopefully the Coners are as well for many years to come.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:08 am

I'm in a Lab/Con marginal Guich

I'm a Lib Dem voter.

Do I vote for what I want, or do I vote for one of two people I don't want to run the country?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:09 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:I'm in a Lab/Con marginal Guich

I'm a Lib Dem voter.

Do I vote for what I want, or do I vote for one of two people I don't want to run the country?

You hold your nose and vote for the option you don't like but who supports PR so that in future you won't have to hold your nose again while you vote.

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:10 am

I've recently moved from Labour to Lib Dem.

But then I'm in business and therein lies the answer I guess.

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:10 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:You hold your nose and vote for the option you don't like but who supports PR so that in future you won't have to hold your nose again while you vote.

That's a fair point

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:12 am

Yeah, the party of business (according to independent fact checkers) are the Lib Dems.

Mainly because of the stance on Brexit, but still.

IT - I know, but I also know that last time Lab got in, they didn't do anything about PR and they did everything they could to make sure STV failed as well.

Rammy1968 · Post by **Rammy1968** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:18 am

You vote for the party you believe will do what's best for you and the rest of the UK.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:27 am

hampsteadclaret wrote:In the interests of balance, having laughed and pointed at the Dianne Abbott stuff...check this one out.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics ... 56946.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Way more important than this stuff..[yer know..who can remember what, from some dusty Government document] is the session that I saw twice today, where Theresa May in a library somewhere with a tame Tory audience as usual..was asked some questions by the media.

I think it was mentioned that she had faced 19 questions, seven of which related to depleted police numbers on HER WATCH.
- on each occasion she refused to answer the questions properly, she just burbled on about other stuff that she had not been asked.

Just who does she think she's fooling?

This is way more important stuff than failing to remember stats from some old paperwork.

You have an undesirable urge to defend Diane Abbot. She's ******* useless Hampstead. Better to be silent and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and prove it, is so apt for Abbot and her kind.

By all means vote Labour, I might even do myself because I have seen enough and heard enough to change some of my opinions in the last six weeks. But please don't defend incompetence. You come across as reasonably well informed and forthright in your views. By defending the likes of Abbot you can come across as brainwashed into voting Labour regardless.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:41 am

Rocket..please...maybe you don't read this board often enough but I have said three times that I have no time for Diane Abbott and that she is a liability.

She was a disastrous appointment as shadow Home Secretary, and may well cost Labour the election.

I have hardly defended her on this thread [one mention].

What I was concerned about and drawing attention to was BIAS.

Abbott was rightly pilloried over poor performance - in the OP there is a link where a Cabinet member was asked a simple question yesterday but kept dodging it...watch it..it is only a minute.

She was poor but barely a mention of it anywhere.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:47 am

Rocket...I said this on June 2nd..

'in his bullying Bullingdon days, he doesn't fool me. I have no time for Diane Abbott, and I hope she gets dropped. Labour are not going to win the election. If by some freak ...'

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:55 am

Rocket..

- hampsteadclaret

Fri Oct 07, 2016 12:28 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Labour's political suicide...
Replies: 118
Views: 3787

Re: Labour's political suicide...
Check this out... Diane Abbott squirming with embarrassment re Andrew Neill's questioning...this is worth two minutes of anyone's time. ...

I said this in October last year.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:56 am

hampsteadclaret wrote:Rocket..please...maybe you don't read this board often enough but I have said three times that I have no time for Diane Abbott and that she is a liability.

She was a disastrous appointment as shadow Home Secretary, and may well cost Labour the election.

I have hardly defended her on this thread [one mention].

What I was concerned about and drawing attention to was BIAS.

Abbott was rightly pilloried over poor performance - in the OP there is a link where a Cabinet member was asked a simple question yesterday but kept dodging it...watch it..it is only a minute.

She was poor but barely a mention of it anywhere.

Then I apologise Hampstead. I rarely read through every single post due to the hijacking of threads by the usual suspects that makes a thread to time consuming to read.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:30 am

No need to apologise. Thank you.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:31 am

May's a dead duck.

whereeaglesfly · Post by **whereeaglesfly** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:46 am

Dianne Abbott was replaced by Emily Thornberry today on womans hour. I said a long time ago that I didn't like that Dianne had been given the role but does anyone else think she hasn't looked well. This could obviously be stress related but one can't argue that she hasn't performed well. I wouldn't be surprised if she steps down in the near future. As for May, I think she will be gone too.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 1:08 am

Party of business - Libdem
Party of the rich - Tories
Party of the people - Labour
Party of Scotland - SNP
Party of Wales - Plaid Cymru
Party of N.Ireland - who knows?

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:09 am

IanMcL wrote:Party of business - Libdem
Party of the rich - Tories
Party of the people - Labour
Party of Scotland - SNP
Party of Wales - Plaid Cymru
Party of N.Ireland - who knows?

You do talk some tosh sometimes Ian....

Party of business - Libdems ? There scare mongering has helped wipe profit from the shares and exchange rates
Labour - party of the people ??? No.
Party of Wales used to be Labour - no longer and now may be the conservative party.
Party of the rich ? Any of them quite frankly. When you are that rich you don't really care. Apparently....
Party of Scotland. That's a Caleigh.