Is Agyei, Grays replacement?

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:11 pm

Has the pace and skill.

AGENT_CLARET · Post by **AGENT_CLARET** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:13 pm

Jesus

IAmAClaret · Post by **IAmAClaret** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:14 pm

I see you haven't changed during your time away!

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:14 pm

He hasn't got the proven track record across various levels. We've got the cash to buy proven goalscorers now,as we did when we bought Andre Gray.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:14 pm

Not wanting to put the lad down, but he hasn't from what little I've seen of him.

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:15 pm

Yes he is. O'Neill is Defour's replacement as well and I believe Tom Anderson will replace Michael Keane.

MiltonKeynesClaret93 · Post by **MiltonKeynesClaret93** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:22 pm

You said July, ablue

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:24 pm

List the games you've seen him play that would suggest he's PL standard.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:26 pm

Is ablue saxos replacement

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:30 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:He hasn't got the proven track record across various levels. We've got the cash to buy proven goalscorers now,as we did when we bought Andre Gray.

Which came first the chicken or the egg?
He hasn't got a track record. How could he considering his age and experience.
We've got the cash to buy proven goal scorers. Everyone wants proven goal scorers, but most have more money or are willing to go into hock to get them ahead of us.
Andre Grey had no experience in the Premier League when we bought him. Should we have benched him and got a 'proven' striker.

I don't know how good Agyei will be, neither do you. I do know he's on our books, and he deserves a chance to show us what he can do. He's got the pace, his finishing is yet to show. It's highly unlikely that he is going to replace Gray and score 20 goals this season, so if he is given the chance I hope 'fans' have the patience to let the lad find his feet instead of getting on his back after the first miss.

Lastly, why would youngsters want to come here if they have as little chance of breaking into the first team than if they'd signed for Citeh or Chelsea. As a business we have to start producing a few players of our own, sooner or later BFC has to bite the bullet and let these lads show us what they can do. It was great to see O'neill and Agyei in the squad last season. They might have only had cameos but its a sign to all the youngsters that if they work hard the reward is there. I hope we see a lot more of both this season, if not as starters then definitely coming off the bench. If they do then this club will have just taken a giant step forward.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:35 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote: He hasn't got a track record. How could he considering his age and experience.

Send him out on loan again. He's not ready for PL football yet.

Andre Grey had no experience in the Premier League when we bought him. Should we have benched him and got a 'proven' striker.

We bought Gray for the Championship. He got us promoted.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:46 pm

Not today or tomorrow.

Down_Rover · Post by **Down_Rover** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:48 pm

No way

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:36 pm

"Skill"

Answered your own question there.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:43 pm

It depends how long it is until Agyei next plays. If he doesn't feature at all until Christmas, he'll be better than Aguero.

moaninclaret · Post by **moaninclaret** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:40 pm

we cant expect Dan to be premiership ready just yet. Hope he gets his chance, but we need a striker with expeirience to at least start the season. The rumours are flying round everywhere about Andre leaving but nothing in black and white as yet, maybe he dosnt want to go. i for one would like to see him stay. A lot of people on this site seem so negative about who stays and who goes. And they seem to think they know more than MR. DYCHE himself. Dan Agyei is a good player and i hope we dont sell him as well. No doubt someone will say that hes on his way to wherever for so many pounds next week lol. utc

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:45 pm

Should be a definate sub every game .Everton are playing 18 Yrs old in the Prem yet we are reluctant to blood our youngsters .
Kevin Long is talking about this being his break through season at last .How old is he 24?

Selby Claret · Post by **Selby Claret** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:53 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:Kevin Long is talking about this being his break through season at last .How old is he 24?

27 in August

moaninclaret · Post by **moaninclaret** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:58 pm

I agree woodleyclaret, will make an impact as a late change, certainly got pace, and could well link up with voksey. not too sure about kev long tho.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 4:50 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Send him out on loan again. He's not ready for PL football yet.

We bought Gray for the Championship. He got us promoted.

So when will he be ready. That's the question. What yardstick are we using to say OK, he's in the team. We can't wait for him to score 20 goals, when we hardly offer him the chance to score 1.
I'm not trying to argue that he should be in the team, just stating that if he is never given a chance, he will never be ready.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 4:53 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:So when will he be ready. That's the question. What yardstick are we using to say OK, he's in the team. We can't wait for him to score 20 goals, when we hardly offer him the chance to score 1.
I'm not trying to argue that he should be in the team, just stating that if he is never given a chance, he will never be ready.

He's just turned 20, this month. Barely any teams in the PL give starts to players so young and raw. He needs to learn his football first, before he gets thrown in at the deep end for a team expected to be near the bottom of one of the hardest leagues in the world.

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 4:58 pm

Could be if we sell Gray and don't get in a replacement before deadline day, just imagine him starting against Chelski, even Conte would be laughing in his glass of Barbaresco

TomtheClaret · Post by **TomtheClaret** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:17 pm

Sidney1st wrote:List the games you've seen him play that would suggest he's PL standard.

More to the point. List any games Ablue has seen Burnley play. Does not stop him spouting shite

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:23 pm

Is he called Ablue because he likes his steak rare or because he is never seen on the Turf?

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:24 pm

There are a lot of dinasours on here.One can watch all Burnleys matches without moving from one's seat, it really is that easy.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:25 pm

And how have you formed the opinion of Agyei?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:27 pm

No, Walters is Grays replacement

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:28 pm

By watching him, the lad has pace, good feet and raw ability, he is an upgrade on Gray if he progresses.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:28 pm

truth is , he may be brilliant or he may be mediocre or worse, none of us have a clue at the moment because we havent been able to see enough of him.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:28 pm

ablueclaret wrote:By watching him, the lad has pace, good feet and raw ability, he is an upgrade on Gray if he progresses.

Which games?

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:32 pm

Didn't you see his cameo appearance it should have shown you something of what the lad is capable of, he is a class player, and if we don't make use of him someone else will come in for him.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:42 pm

Just wow.

Agyei needs game time, we all know that.
Most of us would rather see him appear from the bench, or start the cup games.

Gray has had grief on this very forum for only scoring 9 league goals this season.

If Agyei is meant to be his replacement we best hope he knocks in double figures pretty quickly or he's doomed.

Walnutwillie · Post by **Walnutwillie** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:06 pm

Not a chance if you ask any Coventry fans
Still raw
But he will in a couple more yrs

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:10 pm

I think we know what the go to "look at me" posts will be this year.

Let's hope it goes better than previous years choices.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:09 pm

People with an eye for talent can see that he has everything. The only question is, will he fit in with his teammates?

KippaxFifaHD · Post by **KippaxFifaHD** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:58 am

jlup1980 wrote:Yes he is. O'Neill is Defour's replacement as well and I believe Tom Anderson will replace Michael Keane.

I'll take some of what you're having if it makes me feel that good about our squad being torn apart

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:33 pm

KippaxFifaHD wrote:I'll take some of what you're having if it makes me feel that good about our squad being torn apart

I'm pretty sure jlup1980 was joking, because people in the past have almost labelled O'Neil as the next Iniesta, because he made a pass.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:54 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:He's just turned 20, this month. Barely any teams in the PL give starts to players so young and raw. He needs to learn his football first, before he gets thrown in at the deep end for a team expected to be near the bottom of one of the hardest leagues in the world.

Of course nobody bloods any youngsters, they'd rather buy a ready made from the continent. That doesn't make it right, and it doesn't mean we have to follow suit.
Forget the name Agyei, because it just confuses the issue here. At what point do we take the step and blood someone from the development squad. What do they have to do to say, yeh he should have a run out for the first team? The argument seems to be they don't have enough experience, but how do they get experience unless we let them.
Lookman isn't the finished article yet, looks really promising. He looked good at Charlton, and one for the future, but only Everton have had the balls to buy him, and play him. He isn't going to start every game for the Toffees, but in a couple of years he may well be. They could be sat on a 25-30 mill player because they decided to give him a chance rather than ship him out to get some experience.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:27 pm

How many minutes did Tarka get this season , what hope development players.

With SD you're either in or out.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:42 pm

So you'd drop a successful defensive partnership for someone else?

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:52 pm

I've answered that many times Sidney as you well know, sometimes one can change a formation to include your best players.
However as with KM and Agyei I am pretty much alone in thinking they are good players.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:57 pm

McDonald couldn't apply himself to play at the top level.
He's a good player but maybe not PL standard, however that could change.

Agyei - plenty of people on here rate him and think he's got potential, you're about the only one though who's expecting him to replace a proven goal scorer.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:06 pm

ablueclaret wrote:I've answered that many times Sidney as you well know, sometimes one can change a formation to include your best players.
However as with KM and Agyei I am pretty much alone in thinking they are good players.

No you're not.

northeastclaret · Post by **northeastclaret** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:18 pm

Can he trap a bag of cement?

PWBFC · Post by **PWBFC** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:36 pm

It's pretty clear that Agyei needs to get back out on loan, probably at League One level.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:37 pm

Championship level would be preferable for us.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:05 am

He needs to be on the bench to provide some skill and pace later in games, something it looks like we might well be short of.

CharlieinNewMexico · Post by **CharlieinNewMexico** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:46 pm

most obvious thing for me was he looked desperately quiet and naive.
We criticize Vokes for not being a bit more "Ashley Barnes" but Agyei would get absolutely eaten alive by experienced defenders.
Needs to go away somewhere and learn some of the bad arts.