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Changes to transfer window

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:22 pm

Premier League clubs to discuss potential for shutting transfer window at start of season rather than end of August. Will take 14 clubs to support it and that should happen.

Only problem if it is changed is that English clubs won't be able to buy once season starts but clubs from other countries will be able to sign players from English clubs until their windows close.

Expected to be passed to be brought in next summer.

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Re: Changes to transfer window

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:25 pm

Would be better if it was how it always was. Free and open until Easter.

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Re: Changes to transfer window

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:30 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Would be better if it was how it always was. Free and open until Easter.
Don't think it was ever Easter, transfer deadline was in March though. But that's when everything was domestic.

A lot of managers have spoken out this year and want the window shortening.

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Re: Changes to transfer window

Post by Sidney1st » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:30 pm

I do like the current windows as I think it means some managers have to take more care with what they do.
Some clubs/managers don't but that's usually those who're not fussed about losing money.

Going to make next summer more interesting and feel shorter that's for sure.

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Re: Changes to transfer window

Post by Dyched » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:33 pm

These managers do know there's a World Cup next summer don't they??

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Re: Changes to transfer window

Post by tim_noone » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:34 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Would be better if it was how it always was. Free and open until Easter.
Were ok on the outgoings but a bit slack on the incomings...though I like a nice settled side.so far so good!

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Re: Changes to transfer window

Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:40 pm

Great news. I'm sure the clubs can all agree not to sell anyone after the season has started.
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Re: Changes to transfer window

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:44 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Great news. I'm sure the clubs can all agree not to sell anyone after the season has started.
Unless a foreign club wants a player.

And there's nothing f***ing idiotic about that.

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Re: Changes to transfer window

Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:48 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Unless a foreign club wants a player.

And there's nothing f***ing idiotic about that.
Have you been to Monday club?

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Re: Changes to transfer window

Post by DCWat » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:53 pm

It surely won't be long before other European leagues do something similar, it makes sense, really.

It'll be interesting to see how teams utilise their pre-season games to be able to assess their squad before the window closes. As it is now, they've a good few games to make final assessments and new sales / purchases.

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Re: Changes to transfer window

Post by clarethomer » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:56 pm

should open window day after season closes

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Re: Changes to transfer window

Post by dsr » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:22 pm

The window is effectively open the day the season ends. You can make a deal to buy a player, and take him off the other club's hands and start paying him a wage, at any time of the season. All the transfer window means is that those are the dates you can register him. And if you sign someone on 20th May, it makes no difference whether you register him on 20th May or on 1st July because he doesn't miss any games.

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Re: Changes to transfer window

Post by Long Time Lurker » Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:02 am

Shortening the window will boost the frenzy and potentially push up prices.

In respect to foreign players the English clubs will have to pay a premium to encourage them to sign early instead of waiting until the Foreign window shuts. This is more of a problem for clubs shopping in the lower end of the market and hardly a problem for those buying at the top.

A shorter window could benefit the teams with lots of cash and fully developed scouting networks, creating new barriers for teams with lesser financial means and undeveloped scouting networks.

Teams with poor scouting networks will suffer. A shorter window will benefit clubs that can get all of their ducks in a row and aim towards set targets with a reasonable degree of confidence that they can get those targets in. This is in contrast to clubs that tend to go with the flow, responding to incoming information within the window and changing circumstances relating to player availability.

English clubs that find it easy to sell to foreign clubs will still have three weeks of sales left after the window closes, while clubs that predominantly sell to other English clubs will have a smaller window for sales. This favours clubs with foreign players and expertise in foreign markets. Restricting both buying and selling to the close of an earlier window would solve the inequality that could arise from a window with different endings for both.

A shorter window could be very bad for Burnley and the smaller clubs and very good for the clubs that can afford to throw large sums of money around, especially if they are going after premium high price players whoose transfer fees aren't as succeptable to the influence of urgency that comes into play at the end of a given window.

The best change would be to open the window earlier and possibly make it longer. This would give teams more time to make changes, more opportunities to have their transfers done before the players return and diminish the PANIC! that benefits agents and players by increasing prices. The greater the PANIC! and URGENCY in any sales negotiation the more potential there is for wild spending and costly mistakes. Buy in haste repent at leisure.

Opening the window earlier and closing it before the first game could work. The only downside is that it might impact on the holiday period of players, agents and recruitment personnel, although the latter of those two should really be asked to take their holidays after the window shuts (when the demand for their on hand availability is at its lowest).
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Re: Changes to transfer window

Post by ashtonlongsider » Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:25 am

Common Sense, which is sometimes lacking in modern day football is about to prevail at long last. The window should close the Thursday 5pm before the new season commences. I think in the long term it will benefit a club like us. I can guarantee we have at least a handful of irons in the fire but players are sitting on a potential better offer coming in. It just gets too protracted. The only winners at present are Sky but it does get boring, well for me anyway.

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Re: Changes to transfer window

Post by boatshed bill » Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:29 am

I just think the season should start two weeks later.

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Transfer Window to close early

Post by claretburns » Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:01 pm

The Premier League, and now announced this morning, the Football League, will have discussions in September with the clubs regarding the possibility of ending the transfer window next summer before the leagues get underway. Is this a good or bad idea?

Personally think it is a good idea to get everything settled would also like to see a manager window though conceivably this will never happen.

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Re: Transfer Window to close early

Post by MACCA » Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:02 pm

Again?

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Re: Transfer Window to close early

Post by FCBurnley » Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:04 pm

Why have transfer windows at all ?

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Re: Transfer Window to close early

Post by quoonbeatz » Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:18 pm

if we have to have a window then ending it before the season starts is how it should be.

plus it will keep all those biffs who are more excited about transfers than football away whilst the games are on.

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Re: Transfer Window to close early

Post by BurnleyPaul » Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:30 pm

The only way I'd agree to this is under the following conditions:

(1) the window opens as soon as the season closes
(2) it applies to ALL European leagues
(4) the European transfer window closes when the first European league kicks off
(4) there is NO window in January- all business to be done in the summer months

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Re: Transfer Window to close early

Post by UpTheBeehole » Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:33 pm

BurnleyPaul wrote:The only way I'd agree to this is under the following conditions:

(1) the window opens as soon as the season closes
(2) it applies to ALL European leagues
(4) the European transfer window closes when the first European league kicks off
(4) there is NO window in January- all business to be done in the summer months
I don't think the leagues in Norway, Sweden etc would be too happy with it.

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Re: Transfer Window to close early

Post by Lowbankclaret » Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:13 pm

Window should be shut the moment the first game kicks off.

I hate kicking off and knowing we could end up losing some good players.

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Re: Transfer Window to close early

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:27 pm

So the Uk has its own transfer market finishing about three weeks before the rest of Europe one does?

I can't see how that is going to work, and are you not impressed I've avoided some sort of Brexit based gag?

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Re: Transfer Window to close early

Post by RocketLawnChair » Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:55 pm

BurnleyPaul wrote:The only way I'd agree to this is under the following conditions:

(1) the window opens as soon as the season closes
(2) it applies to ALL European leagues
(4) the European transfer window closes when the first European league kicks off
(4) there is NO window in January- all business to be done in the summer months
I didn't realise you had such a big say !
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Re: Changes to transfer window

Post by Ambrose » Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:30 pm

Not really fair if foreign clubs can sign our players but we're not allowed to replace them. It probably won't bother the big clubs, with ready replacements but we're not really in that position.

The system is always loaded against clubs like Burnley.

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Re: Transfer Window to close early

Post by dsr » Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:56 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:Window should be shut the moment the first game kicks off.

I hate kicking off and knowing we could end up losing some good players.
That's April in Scandinavia. I can see a problem!

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Re: Changes to transfer window

Post by dsr » Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:58 pm

Ambrose wrote:Not really fair if foreign clubs can sign our players but we're not allowed to replace them. It probably won't bother the big clubs, with ready replacements but we're not really in that position.

The system is always loaded against clubs like Burnley.
They can only sign our out of contract players. Players under contract needn't be sold.

By and large, England is a buying country, not a selling country, so we're in the best position to introduce this. Even footballers will understand the point that once the purchasing window shuts in early August, then clubs aren't going to be selling players that they want to keep; especially as the biggest market for player sales (England) is not available.

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Re: Transfer Window to close early

Post by Lowbankclaret » Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:32 pm

dsr wrote:That's April in Scandinavia. I can see a problem!
The english clubs kick off.

No player should be able to be bought or sold after the first game, even to a club abroad.

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Re: Changes to transfer window

Post by Quickenthetempo » Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:42 pm

If our transfer window is closed 'How can we sell players abroad?' When it's shut there is no business at all is there?

China have a separate window, Can they buy our players when ours is shut?

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Re: Changes to transfer window

Post by Lowbankclaret » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:42 pm

Honestly I think its unfair on the managers, the clubs and the players.

Look at Costa, Coutinio (sp) , Virgil.

3 players not playing for thier clubs as they are subject to transfers or had a text saying they are not wanted.

If the window had shut they would have to now get on with playing. It is too disruptive to all concerned and unfair.

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