Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:13 am

De Boer has been frustrated by some of the transfer business and could go before next weekend’s trip to Burnley

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... g-11106641" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:17 am

I'm hoping he stays until at least then. The last thing we need is the Caretaker/New manager Syndrome.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:19 am

Cue 600 posts on a "Dyche to Palace" thread by midnight!

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:29 am

Looks as though he's been told to change his system from 3-4-3 and he wasn't involved in last week's transfers.

Likely replacement is Dougie Freedman, who is already back there, with Roy Hodgson.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:31 am

Surely they were aware what system he was going to play before he was appointed?
It can't have come as a shock.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:38 am

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Surely they were aware what system he was going to play before he was appointed?
It can't have come as a shock.

Seems there were disagreements over who to appoint between the American owners and chairman Steve Parish.

Palace have had a level of success with Pulis, Pardew & Allardyce so was always a strange decision to go for a manager so far removed from them.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:41 am

They can have who they like in the dugout, think our confidence will be sky high
after the Spurs game. Quietly optimistic about this one.

COYC.

simonclaret · Post by **simonclaret** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:01 am

For Dyche looking on, he can only be relieved Palace's apparent interest in the summer never seemed to solidify. I doubt he would take too kindly to being told what system he could or could not play.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:18 am

So Palace wanted him to go from Hoofball to winning with total football in three games..... sounds about right. How do these people make the money to buy FC's with no intelligence?

claretfern · Post by **claretfern** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:21 am

As mentioned above. Didn't the owners discuss with De Boer what plans he has for the playing side?? They hired him ! Okay, they've got off to a bad start but the best thing the Palace hierarchy could do would be to back him, pull together & take the pressure off him; he can't have become a bad Manager overnight. Having said all that, I hope any upward turn in their fortunes will be after our game on Sunday (including our visit to their place)

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:24 am

The people who decided that he's the man should go if they are considering a change after three games.

You have to give managers time (certainly more than three games!)

EarbyClaret · Post by **EarbyClaret** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:31 am

It's incredible to think anyone would consider it possible to switch from Palace's previous direct style to the polar opposite 'total football' of De Boer without a dip in results. Bearing in mind that squad was assembled by Pulis, Pardew and Allardyce. The signings they made last week were very much in the style of their past managers.

If true,it seems only a matter of time now, can't see how De Boer can operate under those conditions. Whatever happens this week it's not good preparation for Sunday's game. Hopefully we'll take advantage.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:47 am

Ridiculous to be under threat after 3 games. They must have known the style he wished to play and that it would take time. Looks like the owners are as clueless as the chicken farmers down the road.

moaninclaret · Post by **moaninclaret** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:13 am

De boer must know this system dosnt work for most teams, just hope he dosnt change it until after sundays game, he must be given a chance to prove himself, hes not a bad manager at all, so give the lad a few more games

ten bellies · Post by **ten bellies** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:30 am

The signing of Sakho may shore up the defence. I hope he takes time to bed in.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:44 am

How long did Dyche get from some people on Burnley forums?
Just for comparisons sake..

3 games is daft, but the clubs are worrying about the money and the probable fact they're poorly run in regards to finances and balancing the books.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:46 am

De Boer in I say, as said above we don't want the "new manager" spike do we.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:27 pm

Must have been a strange job interview.

Perhaps they forgot to tell the recruitment team of the change in style and therefore, players to do the new job!

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:30 pm

One decent defender will not make much difference on Sunday. I think we'll get a few.
Cabaye's pretty good, mind. We'll have to shut him down but I'm pretty confident about this one.
UTC

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:44 pm

"The people who decided that he's the man should go if they are considering a change after three games."

Fully agree, Lancaster.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:51 pm

Sakho probably won't be playing on Sunday, he's not in full training yet after his injury last season.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 1:02 pm

Even better.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:23 pm

Blackrod wrote:Ridiculous to be under threat after 3 games. They must have known the style he wished to play and that it would take time. Looks like the owners are as clueless as the chicken farmers down the road.

I think Steve Parish may understand the concept of relegation though hence the panic

scamander · Post by **scamander** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:27 pm

football has to be one of the few industries where recruitment isn't accounted for. Most other business have the senior management and those involved in the decision making accountable if they get an appointment utterly wrong.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:33 pm

scamander wrote:....... if they get an appointment utterly wrong.

The Walker Trust would be prime candidates for a firing squad.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:03 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:The Walker Trust would be prime candidates for a firing squad.

The Walker Trust didn't get it wrong - they got it so, so right.

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:05 pm

I can't believe he is on the brink after just 3 games, I know its a cliche but I don't understand how anyone can make their mark after just 3 games... even if a footballing novice was given the role to hold fort, you'd expect more support. There must be something going on behind the scenes.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:10 pm

I'm hoping the squad don't like him and knowing the situation put in an abject performance to see him off. Pretty much the same thing happened at Inter

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 5:02 pm

As far as I know it was Steve Parish who persuaded The Americans to go for de Boer instead of Dyche

ClaretEngineer · Post by **ClaretEngineer** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 5:15 pm

Caernarfon_Claret wrote:As far as I know it was Steve Parish who persuaded The Americans to go for de Boer instead of Dyche

So what you're saying is the normally clueless Americans actually had a clue?

The world is about to implode.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:55 pm

Dont understand why De Boer is getting flak. Sure he is the manager. But whats wrong with wanting to change the style or system. Especially from someone who has played and managed at all levels at ajax.

With timr he could and would be a good appointment.

Shore claret · Post by **Shore claret** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:24 pm

I watched the sky program with the football journalists at the weekend and they were pretty much convinced he was going if palace lose against us.
You have to wonder what would happen behind the scenes if he does get sacked.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:41 pm

looking dodgy for him as they make a late change to the pre-match presser to Friday afternoon from tomorrow morning

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football ... conference" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

that or they have just realised they are not playing until Sunday - hopefully Palace board have this attitude

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-l5FyA3pgo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Phoenixknight · Post by **Phoenixknight** » Thu Sep 07, 2017 6:22 am

I see our overseas agents programme is working well.
Agent De Boer is very enthusiastic however he may consider trying to win a game here and there after this weekend and maybe follow the example of agent Bilic.
Make yourself popular before imploding.
I feel agent Kean and of course commander (2 face double agent) horseface really laid the foundations for our success for years to come.
We have of course many agents in the field....but if I said any more I would need to extend the patio !!!!.

Sutton-Claret · Post by **Sutton-Claret** » Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:31 pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/201 ... -save-job/

Looks like Frank has been given one more chance - but it sounds like he's being forced to change his system.

Not sure if this is good or bad for us. If the players are allowed to revert back to their preferred system there's an incentive to perform - or - it could go majorly teets up as the players won't have gelled in time.

There's pressure on Burnley to get what looks like an easy 3 points, however I'm confident Frank De Boer will be out by Monday lunchtime.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:35 pm

As long as the players want him out, then we're OK.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:27 pm

From F365
Alan Pardew spent close to £100m in 23 months in charge. Allardyce recruited four players in January on permanent deals for around £35m. Parish spoke of long-termism and then allowed De Boer to bring in two loan players, a 20-year-old defender for £8m and made the permanent signing of a defender who had already been at the club on loan under De Boer’s predecessor.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:33 pm

I've never quite got it but a lot of clubs do it, and so did we a few years ago, when players are brought in by others at the club and not the manager. That's certainly the case with Sakho last week at Palace.

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:42 pm

I don't like all this attention to our match on Sunday as a 'Palace must win' game.

I haven't seen Palace at all on TV but looking at the match reports of their three games it doesn't look like they are in disarray. Their performance at Liverpool seems to have been good.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:50 pm

1-1 i suspect

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:55 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I've never quite got it but a lot of clubs do it, and so did we a few years ago, when players are brought in by others at the club and not the manager.

Who was in charge of recruiting players for us?

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:23 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I've never quite got it but a lot of clubs do it, and so did we a few years ago, when players are brought in by others at the club and not the manager. That's certainly the case with Sakho last week at Palace.

I can see the sense of it at some clubs, Southampton for instance where there is a clear strategy and coaches are recruited to fit into the existing framework. It's a far better policy to have players that can continue when a new manager comes in rather than each manager wanting to stamp their brand and costing millions in fees.

At one point Burnley appeared to have a fairly clear policy of buying young players with a good, potential resale value and I assume this strategy was dictated by the board (it covered a number of managers).

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:24 pm

Spijed wrote:Who was in charge of recruiting players for us?

Brendan Flood signed some players. Papabendi has confirmed it in previous posts on the two boards. I knew about Fox & Cort but he said a couple of weeks ago that he also brought in Nimani.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:42 pm

de Boer in please before Sunday's game, then they can do what they like with him after that

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:49 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Brendan Flood signed some players. Papabendi has confirmed it in previous posts on the two boards. I knew about Fox & Cort but he said a couple of weeks ago that he also brought in Nimani.

When you think about it it's a bit worrying that we allowed someone like Brendan Flood to be involved when he had little or no knowledge of how football works.

You can understand an experienced coach.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:58 pm

In floods defence (no pun intended) we are where we are today thanks to him helping push us onto the next level with his investments. Some players work out others dont. Without the likes of Paterson, Eagles, Blake etc i doubt we would be where we are today.

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Thu Sep 07, 2017 3:17 pm

Was it not Brendan Flood that bought Ade Akinbiyi for us.

There's a thank you for a start.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:52 pm

HatfieldClaret wrote:Was it not Brendan Flood that bought Ade Akinbiyi for us.

There's a thank you for a start.

Second time - he wasn't around when we signed Ade from Stoke

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Sep 07, 2017 5:02 pm

Good signing both times. Wasnt as good the second but still played a vital part and also helped develop Rodriguez massively I believe!

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Thu Sep 07, 2017 5:07 pm

Correct Tony, but one of those signings that the fans enjoyed.