Police today

Carport · Post by **Carport** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:01 pm

Anyone else think the Police were unnecessarily heavy handed today? Why the need for long batons? Why did they eject young lads from the Burnley bar area inside the ground before the game who were clearly just enjoying themselves? All they were doing as far as I could make out was singing and jumping in the air whilst holding beer glasses causing some drink to spill. Did that justify the decision to forcibly eject two without warning? I saw a woman a young lad led out. Not sure if they were also ejected but it did look that way. And then several Police stood right in the midst of the singing Clarets fans which I thought was unwarranted and simply provocative. Surely all it needed was some sensible policing from a distance without stopping those lads having fun. I very much doubt there would have been any trouble had they taken that softer approach. Shame!

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:04 pm

Sensible policing? Saturday? Football?

Forget it.

Deardeary · Post by **Deardeary** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:06 pm

Buy a ticket for any other entertainment and this wouldn't happen, buy a ticket for footy and being treated like **** is the norm

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:37 pm

What's with this embarrassing jumping about and throwing well over priced beer around the concourse?

Get it recorded and stick it on you tube.

Jamesy · Post by **Jamesy** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:44 pm

Deardeary wrote:Buy a ticket for any other entertainment and this wouldn't happen, buy a ticket for footy and being treated like **** is the norm

Yeah but you wouldn't leap up and down in a packed area at the Theatre and shower bystanders with beer would you? Act like s41t, get treated like s41t.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:44 pm

Deardeary wrote:Buy a ticket for any other entertainment and this wouldn't happen, buy a ticket for footy and being treated like **** is the norm

I'll have to check but do fans at other forms of entertainment behave like football fans?

I'm not justifying police behaviour today because I wasn't there but I'm curious to know the answer to my question.

Down_Rover · Post by **Down_Rover** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:46 pm

Cricket yes. Rugby sometimes and stag trips to the races

Middle-agedClaret · Post by **Middle-agedClaret** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:51 pm

I'm never keen on people spilling beer over me, whatever the occasion and wherever the venue.

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:55 pm

They must be getting too much pocket money, buy a beer for £4 and then throw it up in the air with the hope of a you tube appearance.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:13 pm

All very predictable.

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:16 pm

Jamesy wrote:Yeah but you wouldn't leap up and down in a packed area at the Theatre and shower bystanders with beer would you? Act like s41t, get treated like s41t.

Ended up showered in pi$$ at music do's before now - I'd rather it'd been a beer tbh.

Heaton's Gloves · Post by **Heaton's Gloves** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:59 pm

Thought the police were fine today TBH. Seemed to be friendly enough talking and laughing with Our fans, and keeping a low profile whilst remaining vigilant for any drunken retards. There were a few of these, and if they were ejected from the ground that's probably because they deserved to be ejected.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:44 am

A lot of those young lads are clearly underage otherwise they would know that real men can fall down several flights of stairs without spilling a drop

Loyalclaret · Post by **Loyalclaret** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:38 pm

The long batons have a metal end and are signalling sticks. They tap them on the floor in crowds to guide police towards incidents.

Seem abit OTT at half time under concourse.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:50 pm

JohnMac wrote:A lot of those young lads are clearly underage otherwise they would know that real men can fall down several flights of stairs without spilling a drop

Exactly!

Ightenclaret · Post by **Ightenclaret** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:35 pm

starting_11 wrote:

Exactly!

Can someone put a grid up in the photo so we can spot the tw*t?

Spike · Post by **Spike** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 7:46 am

I like the female PC doffing her hat!

Diggs291212 · Post by **Diggs291212** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:06 am

I saw a couple of confrontations with the police but in fairness some of the fans were acting like arseholes as per, looked to me like the police just weren't putting up with any nonsense on this occasion.
No different to city last season, they let the fans finish throwing beer around at half time then ejected everyone involved as they went back to their seats. Same treatment just handled differently.

yorkshireclaret · Post by **yorkshireclaret** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:14 am

This is why I find it so infuriating that there was not similar action by the Police when we played Hannover. No battons, no ejections. Different rules for different fans.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:16 am

The need to throw beer around and over anyone stood nearby while filming yourself on a mobile phone is a strange one.

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:42 am

yorkshireclaret wrote:This is why I find it so infuriating that there was not similar action by the Police when we played Hannover. No battons, no ejections. Different rules for different fans.

So it would be a good idea to split the Hanover fans up by ejecting a few would it? Ok then....

You really think that the police think "It's Burnley this week lads, let's get those batons warmed up!" Or "It's hull this week lads, I don't mind them, no need for batons today!"

I think that they probably use whatever tactics they think best for that specific situation rather than which fans they are.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:33 am

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:The need to throw beer around and over anyone stood nearby while filming yourself on a mobile phone is a strange one.

It's beyond strange but equally so is the fact that some find it acceptable and don't understand when the police get involved.

From my point of view, I'd no problems at all with police or stewards. I know some were getting agitated at the turnstiles given the time it was taken to get in, but that is going to be the norm now at all grounds because of the extra security required.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:18 am

Diggs291212 wrote:I saw a couple of confrontations with the police but in fairness some of the fans were acting like arseholes as per, looked to me like the police just weren't putting up with any nonsense on this occasion.
No different to city last season, they let the fans finish throwing beer around at half time then ejected everyone involved as they went back to their seats. Same treatment just handled differently.

Throwing beer is both sacrilege and juvenile. Deserves punishment. They should put them in a chamber under the toilet....

yorkshireclaret · Post by **yorkshireclaret** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:31 am

PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote:
So it would be a good idea to split the Hanover fans up by ejecting a few would it? Ok then....

You really think that the police think "It's Burnley this week lads, let's get those batons warmed up!" Or "It's hull this week lads, I don't mind them, no need for batons today!"

I think that they probably use whatever tactics they think best for that specific situation rather than which fans they are.

I don't think Burnley fans are treated any different to any other but just a general inconsistency, and yes why not pick off the ringleaders and arrest them.

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:32 am

I can see both sides here. We've all been knobheads when we were younger - at least I hope we were. So I wouldn't be too harsh on them. Plus if you've been to a few away games, you know what the deal is and which bit to steer clear of.

On the other hand, they shouldn't whine when the police knock it on the head and chuck a few out, that's how you learn there's consequences for acting like a knobhead.

ten bellies · Post by **ten bellies** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:51 am

PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote:So it would be a good idea to split the Hanover fans up by ejecting a few would it? Ok then....

You really think that the police think "It's Burnley this week lads, let's get those batons warmed up!" Or "It's hull this week lads, I don't mind them, no need for batons today!"

I think that they probably use whatever tactics they think best for that specific situation rather than which fans they are.

I would suggest they look at the hassle of arresting those offenders, and take the view that ushering them out of town is the easier option. It's called selective application of the law. Smashing wooden seats and using them as potentially lethal missiles should be an arrestable offence.

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:58 am

ten bellies wrote:I would suggest they look at the hassle of arresting those offenders, and take the view that ushering them out of town is the easier option. It's called selective application of the law. Smashing wooden seats and using them as potentially lethal missiles should be an arrestable offence.

I agree that it is selective, as it should be. If making a couple of arrests leads to things kicking off big style then it's better to deal with those offenders slow time (they will have captured them on cctv) than wade in with batons flying when it could all get out of hand. If it's safe to deal with it there and then that is the preferred option.

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 12:13 pm

The concourse at away games is now a no go zone after 2.30pm with the children throwing their lager about.

At Hull a couple seasons back, a juvenile buys his bottle of carling for £4 and then throws it against the segregating fence showering a load of people. A few older chaps went over and had a word. The boys went pale and looked like they had soiled themselves.

ten bellies · Post by **ten bellies** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 4:19 pm

PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote:I agree that it is selective, as it should be. If making a couple of arrests leads to things kicking off big style then it's better to deal with those offenders slow time (they will have captured them on cctv) than wade in with batons flying when it could all get out of hand. If it's safe to deal with it there and then that is the preferred option.

I would also suggest it is what the police are paid to do, to go in with all the equipment at their disposal, to arrest individuals throwing potential lethal weapons. Not to push back and ultimately remove innocent football fans from a situation, because they do not have the desire or wherewithal, to do their job.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 4:43 pm

tim_noone wrote:All very predictable.

To be fair on seeing the ''beer throwing" it's captured on one of the young lads vlogs... After singing the old one man went to mo rendition the beer went up at ten! Saw this at Tottenham in the evening cup game semi? Final.on ten the pub got trashed....so it's tough t!tty I suppose.

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 5:38 pm

ten bellies wrote:I would also suggest it is what the police are paid to do, to go in with all the equipment at their disposal, to arrest individuals throwing potential lethal weapons. Not to push back and ultimately remove innocent football fans from a situation, because they do not have the desire or wherewithal, to do their job.

So you think that it is better to go in and have pitch battles with all those fans from Hanover with the police being hopelessly outnumbered rather than containing them and removing the smaller number of fans who could have been caught in the firing line?? Seriously?? Thank the lord that you're just an armchair police commander and not a real one!!
With the number involved the police would have lost that which could have lead to serious injuries and then hundreds of ultras running riot in Burnley.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 5:43 pm

PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote:So you think that it is better to go in and have pitch battles with all those fans from Hanover with the police being hopelessly outnumbered rather than containing them and removing the smaller number of fans who could have been caught in the firing line?? Seriously?? Thank the lord that you're just an armchair police commander and not a real one!!
With the number involved the police would have lost that which could have lead to serious injuries and then hundreds of ultras running riot in Burnley.

The police got it spot on I thought at the Hannover game. They got our fans out of that stand, ensured the Hannover fans were contained and then announced the abandonment to allow the home fans to leave safely before shifting the Hannover fans out of town.

Absolutely spot on, it reduced the problems, surely reduced the number of injuries that could have been sustained and allowed innocent people to get away safely.

ten bellies · Post by **ten bellies** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 5:48 pm

PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote:So you think that it is better to go in and have pitch battles with all those fans from Hanover with the police being hopelessly outnumbered rather than containing them and removing the smaller number of fans who could have been caught in the firing line?? Seriously?? Thank the lord that you're just an armchair police commander and not a real one!!
With the number involved the police would have lost that which could have lead to serious injuries and then hundreds of ultras running riot in Burnley.

Really? Running riot in Burnley? For goodness sake. Get a grip. I'm pretty sure if Burnley fans had reacted to the provocation, they'd have been straight in there. You seem to think you're a bit of a police commander yourself. Lets just say we'll have to agree to disagree.

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 5:49 pm

ClaretTony wrote:The police got it spot on I thought at the Hannover game. They got our fans out of that stand, ensured the Hannover fans were contained and then announced the abandonment to allow the home fans to leave safely before shifting the Hannover fans out of town.

Absolutely spot on, it reduced the problems, surely reduced the number of injuries that could have been sustained and allowed innocent people to get away safely.

Exactly this, the worst possible action would have been to go in there and then.

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 5:53 pm

ten bellies wrote:Really? Running riot in Burnley? For goodness sake. Get a grip. I'm pretty sure if Burnley fans had reacted to the provocation, they'd have been straight in there. You seem to think you're a bit of a police commander yourself. Lets just say we'll have to agree to disagree.

You don't think they were capable of running riot in Burnley?? You honestly think that Burnley fans are treated any differently to other fans?? I would suggest that it's you who needs to get a grip.

taio · Post by **taio** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 5:57 pm

Amusing this belief that the police are against, the media is against us, the pundits are against us etc. "No-one likes us" is just a song but some people really care. Chip off shoulder.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:11 pm

taio wrote:Amusing this belief that the police are against, the media is against us, the pundits are against us etc. "No-one likes us" is just a song but some people really care. Chip off shoulder.

Maybe not but I'm not aware of any Hanover fans who were in the CFS being taken to court but I do know that at least 1 Burnley is!

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:32 pm

Leisure wrote:Maybe not but I'm not aware of any Hanover fans who were in the CFS being taken to court but I do know that at least 1 Burnley is!

As predicted.

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:06 pm

Leisure wrote:Maybe not but I'm not aware of any Hanover fans who were in the CFS being taken to court but I do know that at least 1 Burnley is!

And for this very reason, respect for the Police is eroded further for a good number of people

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:56 pm

Leisure wrote:Maybe not but I'm not aware of any Hanover fans who were in the CFS being taken to court but I do know that at least 1 Burnley is!

Don't be silly - Burnley fans didnt do anything ..... It was the Hanover fans ...... The police and club said so

I know a few lads got collared on the WBA game about events against Hanover.

Commy · Post by **Commy** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:28 pm

Police were fine. Happy to chat to people who weren't acting like idiots.

ten bellies · Post by **ten bellies** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:15 pm

PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote:You don't think they were capable of running riot in Burnley?? You honestly think that Burnley fans are treated any differently to other fans?? I would suggest that it's you who needs to get a grip.

Does Dixon of Dock Green police your chocolate box village?

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:44 pm

ten bellies wrote:Does Dixon of Dock Green police your chocolate box village?

I'd suggest that it's you that lives in a chocolate box village if you think that the police have a grudge against Burnley fans! You never know, some of them may even support us.

You do sound as though you're very bitter though, perhaps you have been locked up, unjustly, in your opinion??

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:49 pm

PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote:I'd suggest that it's you that lives in a chocolate box village if you think that the police have a grudge against Burnley fans! You never know, some of them may even support us.

You do sound as though you're very bitter though, perhaps you have been locked up, unjustly, in your opinion??

Perhaps unlike a lot of people you havent been treated unfairly in some way for being a football fan.

ten bellies · Post by **ten bellies** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:58 pm

PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote:I'd suggest that it's you that lives in a chocolate box village if you think that the police have a grudge against Burnley fans! You never know, some of them may even support us.

You do sound as though you're very bitter though, perhaps you have been locked up, unjustly, in your opinion??

Hahahaha. Not bitter at all. Just saying things as I see them. The police perform an essential role within our society. I just don't wear the rose tinted spectacles you clearly do.

Pimlico_Claret · Post by **Pimlico_Claret** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:58 pm

If I go into the mosh pit towards the end of a Courteeners gig at ten thirty in the evening , as I sometimes do, I half expect to get a a shower of beer /**** thrown into the air and over me. If I'm eating a pie and drinking a coke at an away game with my five year old niece at two thirty in the afternoon then I don't really want us to be soaked by a shower of overpriced Carling thrown by some 16 year old Cog Lane chav dressed in his knock off Stone Island jacket.
You wouldn't put up with it at Turf Moor,so why away?

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:02 pm

Pimlico_Claret wrote:If I go into the mosh pit towards the end of a Courteeners gig at ten thirty in the evening , as I sometimes do, I half expect to get a a shower of beer /**** thrown into the air and over me. If I'm eating a pie and drinking a coke at an away game with my five year old niece at two thirty in the afternoon then I don't really want us to be soaked by a shower of overpriced Carling thrown by some 16 year old Cog Lane chav dressed in his knock off Stone Island jacket.
You wouldn't put up with it at Turf Moor,so why away?

What if it wasnt Carling, and thrown by someone older who does not reside on Cog Lane and wear knock off Stone Island?

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:03 pm

There's some decent 16 year olds I would imagine who live up cog lane ?? The guy at Blackburn was a Burberry wearing 30 year old.

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:05 pm

tim_noone wrote:There's some decent 16 year olds I would imagine who live up cog lane ?? The guy at Blackburn was a Burberry wearing 30 year old.

That Hanover fan had a Stone Island arm though tbf ....... That was definitely not in their Spring/Summer 2017 collection.

Pimlico_Claret · Post by **Pimlico_Claret** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:05 pm

I was next to the ones at Liverpool and that's what I saw, although I'll apologise for the stereotyping. 16 year old chav lads from where ever, possibly wearing some other clothes than stone Island