Kinder, gentler politics.

[ClaretMoffitt]

Found in Manchester yesterday morning.

Corbyn needs to get a lead on his wild dogs before someone gets hurt.

[HatfieldClaret]

He has got them the way he wants them.

This is Corbyn........

[Rileybobs]

Give it a rest man...

[ExistentialWanderer]

Hardly new is it? Been a nasty element in the leftie fringes for years. They're not all like that though.

[Imploding Turtle]

Corbyn needs to ...

This is Corbyn........

[ClaretMoffitt]

Still no sign of condemnation from him though about this.

Isn't it funny how the was mass hysteria about Trump for not condemning far right hate (even though he did), but when there is far left hate, nobody bats an eyelid?

[Imploding Turtle]

Still no sign of condemnation from him though about this.

Isn't it funny how the was mass hysteria about Trump for not condemning far right hate (even though he did), but when there is far left hate, nobody bats an eyelid?

How do you know it was someone from the far left who pinned that to the bridge? Do you have a news report that refers to a suspect or suspects, or are you just making assumptions?

[ClaretMoffitt]

How do you know it was someone from the far left who pinned that to the bridge? Do you have a news report that refers to a suspect or suspects, or are you just making assumptions?

You are joking, right?

[ExistentialWanderer]

How do you know it was someone from the far left who pinned that to the bridge? Do you have a news report that refers to a suspect or suspects, or are you just making assumptions?

He has a point. It could be a disaffected Tory like George Osbourne. I hear he has voodoo dolls of May, Johnson and Gove

[ClaretMoffitt]

Just one of about 5 left wing pages I've seen sharing this as a positive. 400+ people like or love the idea of hanging tories on this one alone. You keep telling me there is no violent left wing movement in the UK.

[Imploding Turtle]

You are joking, right?

Is that a no?

[Imploding Turtle]

Just one of about 5 left wing pages I've seen sharing this as a positive. 400+ people like or love the idea of hanging tories on this one alone. You keep telling me there is no violent left wing movement in the UK.

Oh damn. If someone shared a picture of it on Facebook then they must have done it!

I guess i can't be anti-fascist anymore. Go fascism! #Fascist4life #Fascist4love

[RingoMcCartney]

How do you know it was someone from the far left who pinned that to the bridge? Do you have a news report that refers to a suspect or suspects, or are you just making assumptions?

[ClaretMoffitt]

Oh damn. If someone shared a picture of it on Facebook then they must have done it!

I guess i can't be anti-fascist anymore. Go fascism! #Fascist4life #Fascist4love

You know damn well as I do it doesn't matter if they did it or not. They are sharing it and promoting it and hundreds even thousands of people agree with the idea of hanging politicians. I wonder if you would have such a lax attitude if the banner said "hang the muslims" on it? You know as well as I do that there would be a sh!tstorm of epic proportions and rightly so.

[Imploding Turtle]

You know damn well as I do it doesn't matter if they did it or not. They are sharing it and promoting it and hundreds of thousands of people agree with the idea of hanging politicians. I wonder if you would have such a lax attitude if the banner said "hang the muslims" on it?

I wouldn't give a **** what the banner said. I'm not retarded enough to immediately jump to conclusions as to the motives of the people who made the banner without even knowing who the **** made it. And i certainly wouldn't demand anyone apologise for it when it has **** all to do with them. Did you see people like me demanding Theresa May or Nigel Farage apologise on behalf of the right for Jo Cox's killer? Do you see the left demanging that the right apologise for racist killers and nazis? No. When German soldiers planned to kill left-wing politicians to have it blamed on refugees was there a public outcry when right-wing leaders didn't apologise on behalf of the right? No.

I've seen people suckering in gullible ***** like you by photoshopping all kinds of images to smear the left, it's not in any way a stretch of the imagination to imagine one of you making this banner in order to smear the left-wing. It probably was just some edgy illiberal ***** thinking they're being progressive and left-wing but jumping to those kinds of conclusions and then criticising people like Corbyn for not jumping to those same conclusions only makes you look stupid and is even more poisonous to national discourse than some stupid banner.

This kind of **** is how the rest of us can tell when people like you hate others who don't think like you. No matter what the motive behind this banner, be it a so-called leftie who genuinely believes Tories should be hanged, or a so-called right-winger who just wanted idiots like you to jump to the conclusions you have jumped to, people like you are just as cancerous as they are. You hate the other side just as much as they do and that's why you're the problem.

[ClaretMoffitt]

I wouldn't give a **** what the banner said. I'm not retarded enough to immediately jump to conclusions as to the motives of the people who made the banner without even knowing who the **** made it. And i certainly wouldn't demand anyone apologise for it when it has **** all to do with them. Did you see people like me demanding Theresa May or Nigel Farage apologise on behalf of the right for Jo Cox's killer? Do you see the left demanging that the right apologise for racist killers and nazis? No.

I've seen people suckering in gullible ***** like you by photoshopping all kinds of images to smear the left, it's not in any way a stretch of the imagination to imagine one of you making this banner in order to smear the left-wing. It probably was just some edgy illiberal ***** thinking they're being progressive and left-wing but jumping to those kinds of conclusions and then criticising people like Corbyn for not jumping to those same conclusions only makes you look stupid and is even more poisonous to national discourse than some stupid banner.

My condemning the calling of murder of MPs is more poisonous than calling for the murder of MPs. This is literally the modern state of argument coming from the left.

[Imploding Turtle]

My condemning the calling of murder of MPs is more poisonous than calling for the murder of MPs. This is literally the modern state of argument coming from the left.

You're not condemning the calling for the murder of MPs though. You're condemning Jeremy Corbyn for not jumping to the conclusions that you've jumped to. You're blaming the left for this without any knowledge of who made it. That's the conclusion you're jumping to and then you're blaming the leader of left-wing politics for not speaking out against it.

[bedfords]

My condemning the calling of murder of MPs is more poisonous than calling for the murder of MPs. This is literally the modern state of argument coming from the left.

Get over it snowflake.

[ClaretMoffitt]

You're not condemning the calling for the murder of MPs though. You're condemning Jeremy Corbyn for not jumping to the conclusions that you've jumped to. You're blaming the left for this without any knowledge of who made it. That's the conclusion you're jumping to and then you're blaming the leader of left-wing politics for not speaking out against it.

I'm just holding him to the same standards as the media and the left held Trump. If you cannot see the similarities and disparity in reaction then it's you who's the idiot, not me.

[ClaretMoffitt]

Get over it snowflake.

Good one bedfords, bet you had a right little giggle to yourself over that snazzy post.

[Lord Rothbury]

The Red Flag is a bit of a give away .

[Imploding Turtle]

Found in Manchester yesterday morning.

Corbyn needs to get a lead on his wild dogs before someone gets hurt.

Still no sign of condemnation from him though about this.

Isn't it funny how the was mass hysteria about Trump for not condemning far right hate (even though he did), but when there is far left hate, nobody bats an eyelid?

Here are your first two posts in this thread. Please count the number of times you condemned the calling for MPs to be killed, and compare that to the number of times you've condemned Corbyn.

I'll help you, it's 0-2.

You're not outraged by this in the slightest. You don't care that this banner called for people to be killed. You're only interested in how this can be used to push your preferred narrative and that is why people like you are toxic to any kind of discourse. You know as well as I do what Corbyn, May, Cable, and any decent human being thinks of this banner. And you also know as well as I do that as soon as Corbyn opens his mouth about it it becomes a national news story of significance, and encourages both right-wing trolls and fake liberals to keep doing it in order to gain attention. But you still criticise Corbyn regardless because, like i said, you're only interested in political gain for your favoured narrative.

[Imploding Turtle]

I'm just holding him to the same standards as the media and the left held Trump. If you cannot see the similarities and disparity in reaction then it's you who's the idiot, not me.

Trump knew who was waving those nazi flags, making nazi salutes and who ran over an innocent woman and he still equivocated and blamed both sides.

You have no idea who made that banner yet you're blaming Corbyn.

[ClaretMoffitt]

Here are your first two posts in this thread. Please count the number of times you condemned the calling for MPs to be killed, and compare that to the number of times you've condemned Corbyn.

I'll help you, it's 0-2.

You're not outraged by this in the slightest. You don't care that this banner called for people to be killed. You're only interested in how this can be used to push your preferred narrative and that is why people like you are toxic to any kind of discourse. You know as well as I do what Corbyn, May, Cable, and any decent human being thinks of this banner. And you also know as well as I do that as soon as Corbyn opens his mouth about it it becomes a national news story of significance, and encourages both right-wing trolls and fake liberals to keep doing it in order to gain attention. But you still criticise Corbyn regardless because, like i said, you're only interested in political gain for your favoured narrative.

I really don't think you are convincing anyone here. This is a poor argument and frankly I can't even be bothered to call it out. I'm gonna go watch footy.

[Imploding Turtle]

You keep telling me there is no violent left wing movement in the UK.

Do I?

or

Why the **** do you keep making **** up about me?

[Imploding Turtle]

I really don't think you are convincing anyone here. This is a poor argument and frankly I can't even be bothered to call it out. I'm gonna go watch footy.

[BabylonClaret]

Zźzzzźzzźzzzzzzzzźzzz

Because the left are such mindless morons theyll immediately start hanging Tories. Sigh

[Rowls]

All those people claiming that hard ideological followers like the current Labour Party create states that descent into anarchy are crying wolf.

There clearly is NOT a problem with intolerance and hatred in the far-left.

This is NOT a culture that encourages hatred, intolerance and will lead to threats and violence.








And the BBC political correspondent did NOT need to have personal security guards to protect her when she attended the Labour Party Conference 2017.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/09/l ... s-no-joke/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/ ... conference" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

When even a Tory bitch like Laura Kuenssberg can safely go to the Labour Party conference and not get raped or killed it PROVES that there is NOT a problem of intolerance and hatred in Jeremy Corbyn's Labour movement.

We can afford to be blase about this all. In fact it's best to be blase about it. It's not like anyone is getting death threats or anything.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40577325" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41237836" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-40569717" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Nothing to see here folks.

It's all in the minds of those f**king Tory sc*m.

[Lancasterclaret]

Anyone remember that left wing nutter who killed Jo Cox?

The one whose sentence and trial was covered on Page 27 of the Daily Mail?

I get the sentiment you lot are trying to put across, but by somehow trying to pretend its a left wing thing AND its somehow Corbyns fault its not helping.

All political intimidation should be cracked down on, but until both sides realise that this is a problem, then nothing is going to happen.

[yTib]

blaming jeremy corbyn for extremism is like blaming god for jimmy saville.

but it's nice to see the tories are rattled by corbyn. some of the newspaper headlines today are hilarious.

[Rowls]

I get the sentiment you lot are trying to put across, but by somehow trying to pretend its a left wing thing AND its somehow Corbyns fault its not helping.

You're completely right. I'm sure the man who killed Jo Cox was possibly a very influential man for those f*cking Tory Sc*m. Perhaps he was the home secretary or something? I bet he was.

And trying to say that this (so-called) "problem" is part of the same movement led by Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell is NOT helpful. It's not as though they're in charge of the Labour Party or Momentum.

Clearly any example of any right-wing extremism is enough to prove that there is simply NOT A PROBLEM with this in Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party.

It doesn't even matter if the examples you can think of are nothing to do with the Conservative Party. No.

There is NOT A PROBLEM with hatred and intolerance in the current Labour Party movement. It's actually probably a plot by certain groups who control the media and the f*cking Tory Sc*m.

[bfcmik]

All those people claiming that hard ideological followers like the current Labour Party create states that descent into anarchy are crying wolf.

There clearly is NOT a problem with intolerance and hatred in the far-left.

This is NOT a culture that encourages hatred, intolerance and will lead to threats and violence.

May I apologise to all the Tories offended by the fact that so many people refuse to be taken in by their lies and truly believe that their lives have been made so much worse by the last 7 years of Conservative government policies. And that many people are still deeply scarred and bitter about what they believe was the utter devastation of working class lives and values by the Thatcher/Major governments.

May I apologise that not everyone believes the Conservative Party to be the benevolent force for good that they so clearly should.

The tactic of smearing everything and everyone of a non-Conservative persuasion is obviously the proper way to do things. After all, they are evil enough to have a different agenda.

[Rowls]

Actually Lancaster, to change tone and be serious - this is the kind of behaviour that I think is symptomatic of following an ideology.

This is the fault of ideology. When you follow any kind of ideology it ends up with de-humanisation of people who don't follow the same ideology.

This is why it's OK to wear "Never kissed a Tory" t-shirts even in mainstream and polite Labour Party movements.

This, in turn both facilitates more extreme examples such as "Hang the Torys" etc.

It's a vicious cycle that swirls into cause and effect. I think it happens because people aren't able to reconcile problems with political doctrines and actual real life which is always more complex.

Ah, but isn't there an equivalent problem with Conservatism? - you might respond. Not me to there isn't because classical Conservatism involves not following any particular doctrine. It is the triumph of pragmatism; of doing what works. Not what is "ideologically pure".

Whenever Conservatism comes up with an "ism" it has stopped being what it should be. If people think Conservatism is about "Thatcherism" or about "privatizing everything" then they've got it wrong. Maggie was not a diety, privatization works well in certain circumstances and may not be appropriate in others.

Pragmatism has flexibility whereas political ideologies have dogma and inflexibility.

Any inflexible ideological movement is prone to the kind of extremism evident in Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party.

There is not equivalent in the Conservative Party.

[yTib]

Ah, but isn't there an equivalent problem with Conservatism? - you might respond. Not me to there isn't because classical Conservatism involves not following any particular doctrine. It is the triumph of pragmatism; of doing what works. Not what is "ideologically pure".

rowls, you really are the most supercilious, deluded poster the internet has ever seen.

[Rowls]

rowls, you really are the most supercilious, deluded poster the internet has ever seen.

Mmmm. yeah.

And you're in the top 5 posters, ever.

For the whole internet.

Thanks again for your valuable input.

[yTib]

at least my input has a purpose - to belittle your navel-gazing.

i can't see if your face is straight or crooked when you come out with tosh like 'triumph of pragmatism'.

where was the classic pragmatism when we, the tax payer, had to buy the banks?

and look at an archetypal tory like rees-mogg. his entire existence is based upon ideology.

or perhaps you think he's a pragmatist as well?

[claretandy]

Breaking News,

Asked for a comment, Jeremy Corbyns spokeman said Jeremy Condemns all form of hanging

[Rowls]

i can't see if your face is straight or crooked when you come out with tosh like 'triumph of pragmatism'.
where was the classic pragmatism when we, the tax payer, had to buy the banks?

Oh lordy.

Pragmatism would have been not spending all the money when the times were good. (What Gordon Brown did)

Pragmatism may have involved allowed a bank to fail. People's savings would have been insured to a certain point. The poorest would have been best protected. The richest would have suffered most and shareholders and bankers would have been the ones to take the brunt. Instead Gordon Brown bailed the banks out and the taxpayer is baring the brunt.

Why on earth do you think that I should need to justify the actions of Gordon Brown in order to justify my support of pragmatic Conservatism?

I rate your post maybe in the top 12 posts ever on the internet.

Keep up the outstanding work.

Byeee

[Imploding Turtle]

Zźzzzźzzźzzzzzzzzźzzz

Because the left are such mindless morons theyll immediately start hanging Tories. Sigh

Absolutely. When i see a banner on a bridge i always follow its instructions.

[HatfieldClaret]

blaming jeremy corbyn for extremism is like blaming god for jimmy saville.

but it's nice to see the tories are rattled by corbyn. some of the newspaper headlines today are hilarious.

And denial yTib IT et al, is not a river in Africa.

[yTib]

if you can't see how bailing out a failing bank is a golden example of how the capitalist model is based on hypocrisy then i fear for your sanity.

but you are so desperate to be correct in all things you could never concede that your (non) ideology isn't perfect. hardly a pragmatist are you?

and gordon brown? jesus you are desperate. you know as well as i do that the whole new-labour movement had far more in common with thatcherism than with the left.

[AndrewJB]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 21086.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I know a few people who hate this government so much, they would delight in harm coming to some of them. For example Iain Duncan Smith - considering the decisions he has made that have materially worsened the lives of a lot of people - is unlikely to stir Christian sentiments should he become mortally I’ll. And although mine is less visceral I can understand how a lot of people have come to hate this government. You imagine for yourselves losing a child, and then getting a cut in housing benefit (bedroom tax), even though there are no smaller flats for you to move into. Who wouldn’t feel angry at that? What does surprise me a little is young Tory activists talking about gassing ‘chavs’ and shooting peasants - for what reason exactly?

[Damo]

How do you know it was someone from the far left who pinned that to the bridge? Do you have a news report that refers to a suspect or suspects, or are you just making assumptions?

It was black block anarchists no doubt

[barba]

Jeremy Corbyn condemns all forms of political effigy hanging....

[Spijed]

Anyone remember that left wing nutter who killed Jo Cox?

The one whose sentence and trial was covered on Page 27 of the Daily Mail?

Purely a lone wolf, if you believe the Express and Mail!

[claretandy]

Purely a lone wolf, if you believe the Express and Mail!

Have you any evidence to the contrary ?

[Greenmile]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 21086.html

I know a few people who hate this government so much, they would delight in harm coming to some of them. For example Iain Duncan Smith - considering the decisions he has made that have materially worsened the lives of a lot of people - is unlikely to stir Christian sentiments should he become mortally I’ll. And although mine is less visceral I can understand how a lot of people have come to hate this government. You imagine for yourselves losing a child, and then getting a cut in housing benefit (bedroom tax), even though there are no smaller flats for you to move into. Who wouldn’t feel angry at that? What does surprise me a little is young Tory activists talking about gassing ‘chavs’ and shooting peasants - for what reason exactly?

I must have missed Moffit's outrage thread about that news article.

[Greenmile]

Have you any evidence to the contrary ?

Here you go

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 16021.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You're welcome.

[claretandy]

Here you go

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 16021.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You're welcome.

Nowhere in that report does it say anybody helped him, try again.

And BTW that report is wrong, he shouted "put Britain First", not Britain First.

[Greenmile]

Nowhere in that report does it say anybody helped him, try again.

And BTW that report is wrong, he shouted "put Britain First", not Britain First.

So you don't think the fact that he shouted the name of a far right political party whilst murdering a labour politician might just indicate an affiliation with that party?

And you'll forgive me if I take the word of a professional journalist for a mainstream broadsheet over that of some bloke on the internet.