Cork & Defour

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:50 pm

We have never had a better midfield combination in all my 40 odd years of watching us,anyone disagree and if so who are they?

CFS · Post by **CFS** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:51 pm

However cork defour and hendrick in the same team just doesn't work.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:52 pm

James O'Connor and Chris McCann

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:52 pm

Cook and Mellon all day long!

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:53 pm

Ball and Cook closest ive seen. But at a level below.

Marney and Jones. Then lower down Deary and Randall.

But Cork and Defour are unbelievably good. They read each others game so well.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:53 pm

Hendrick had a shocker tonight mate,what would you say to a Shelvey/Cork/Defour midfield,he had a good game tonight and pulled all their strings I know his temperament is suspect but Dyche would sort him

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:54 pm

KRBFC wrote:James O'Connor and Chris McCann

Not Dyche bashing tonight mate,be serious please.

Stalbansclaret · Post by **Stalbansclaret** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:58 pm

Agree...absolutely tremendous. Just said on another thread that I enjoy watching them play so much I kind of forget we don't have much end product ! Good times.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:00 pm

Shelvey is brilliant. Would complement them massively.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:01 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Shelvey is brilliant. Would complement them massively.

Best English central midfielder imo

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:17 pm

KRBFC wrote:Best English central midfielder imo

Bet you wouldn't think that if he played for us!

addisclaret · Post by **addisclaret** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:19 pm

Leisure wrote:Bet you wouldn't think that if he played for us!

True; in that case he would be a poor mans Richard Chaplow

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:42 pm

Leisure wrote:Bet you wouldn't think that if he played for us!

Why wouldn't I? He's technically superb like Defour.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:44 pm

Can only dream of what our midfield would be like had Rune Vindheim been born a decade later.

chorleyhere · Post by **chorleyhere** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:51 pm

Thought Shelvey flattered to deceive -was on the ball a lot but fortunately couldn't find the killer pass or shot. I think he would say he could do better.
Rather disappointed with Hendrick (goal apart) did an awful lot of turning and passing back rather than driving forward which I think is one of his better skills. Defour should have been taking more corners and free kicks ,we couldn't seem to beat the first man. Cork always gives of his best even though some of his creativity was a bit lacking tonight- they really are a step up on our midfield from last year though UTC

accy sue · Post by **accy sue** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:51 pm

Really noticed them tonight - they have absolutely clicked! Some magical moments! Love them!

Had to seriously restrain myself tonight when somebody behind me was dissing Defour! "Defour you are lazy". "Defour what do you do?" How I stopped myself from turning round and saying "apart from everything?", I shall never know! Luckily, they just took seats that regular ST holders weren't in! The thought of having them behind me every week... Ugh!

Thought we played much better tonight. Please don't go...

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:59 pm

Leisure wrote:Bet you wouldn't think that if he played for us!

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:06 am

Cork and Defour definitely sing on the same hymn sheet. Need to rethink the Hendrick position though.
Shelvey was their best player and impressed imo.

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:12 am

Everything they did, admittedly not much, went through him. Great player and wish he
was in with Cork and Defour - just imagine that.

Ric_C · Post by **Ric_C** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:13 am

Number 10 link player and a wide man with pace and we'd have a serious team

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:18 am

accy sue wrote:Really noticed them tonight - they have absolutely clicked! Some magical moments! Love them!

Had to seriously restrain myself tonight when somebody behind me was dissing Defour! "Defour you are lazy". "Defour what do you do?" How I stopped myself from turning round and saying "apart from everything?", I shall never know! Luckily, they just took seats that regular ST holders weren't in! The thought of having them behind me every week... Ugh!

Thought we played much better tonight. Please don't go...

Stevie Wonder in a darkened room wearing a blindfold would have seen Defour was anything but lazy, tonight. Oozed class and his work rate was fantastic.

If you see them again, do turn round and tell ‘em to **** right off

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:18 am

hope Defour is OK. I think he was holing his groin when he was subbed-don't think it was tactical

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:21 am

Marney & Marney

Yes Cork and Defour are very very good

Cork is better than he was previously for us

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:21 am

Holing his groin ? Blimey, that doesn't sound too promising for Saturday ! !

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:24 am

In my opinion we have never replaced John Deary

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:00 am

Hendrick was mom and scored a good goal supporting Ashley very well.Did the ugly stuff when needed .another good game in a season of many good games.and yes current cm duo is the best in many a long year.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:11 am

Defour is playing like a warrior this season. The belief SD has instilled in him in preseason has been a key factor. His tracking back has been a joy to watch this season. He tracked back last season but often didnt make the tacle. Last night there were two massive moments which showed this new growth in his game. The tackle which led to the goal and one on the edge of our box which at the time was vital.

Hats off to both SD for offering him another chance and Defour himself for being mature enough to be open to advice and embrace what will of been constructive criticismand advice on how to improve his game.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:10 am

Two very good players; we keep possession now better than at any time I can remember.

However, one small gripe. I would like to see them further up the pitch more often where they can do some damage. Possession of the ball is all very well but you don't score goals by knocking it about in your own half.

It was noticeable that in the 5 - 10 minutes before the goal yesterday they pushed on more and we started causing Newcastle more problems. maybe it's a tactic to keep it tight early and for them to push on later in the game but it's risky counting on scoring in the last 20 minutes of games.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:45 am

Funkydrummer wrote:Holing his groin ? Blimey, that doesn't sound too promising for Saturday ! !

In the press conference SD said Defour felt a hamstring and that is why he came off - he hoped the made that decision before any pull was made and said the call was Defour's

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:21 pm

I thought they were both good last night, and they're a superb combination, but as a team we were guilty of moving the ball to slowly last night and being a bit "safe" in our passing - looking for balls to feet to stationary teammates rather than feeding it forward, into the path of a runner. Both Cork and Defour, but especially Defour as he's our playmaker, have to take some responsibility for that. Defour in particular needs to force us to keep the tempo high at home.

There was one occasion in the second half when Defour rolled a couple of square passes, and then tried to feed it into Hendrick, who wanted it played into his run. The pass was underhit and seemingly intended as a safe pass into feet - it got nowhere near Hendrick as a result and was intercepted. The crowd appeared to grumble at Hendrick but in truth he was given no chance by the pass. Just a good example of what I'm saying above.

Not a criticism per se - but its worth adding a bit of balance because I do think its one reason our wide and advanced players (especially Hendrick) don't always seem as effective as they might be.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:01 pm

Not a patch on Mark Ford and Mike Williams.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:11 pm

Cork and Defour have been class this season and last night outstanding.
Cork has improved leaps and bounds since he left us 6 years ago and Defour is a different animal this season, now he is fitter

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:33 pm

With respect, they did cost us the fat end of £18m.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:55 pm

Both excellent players and a joy to watch. I would like to see a little more adventure from both of them though. Both are very reluctant to move forward off the ball and find space in between the lines which at times means we’ve got 2 centre backs and 2 midfielders almost in a line. I can understand Defour dropping off into space to dictate play but I’d like Cork to look to split the opposition and collect the ball in a more advanced position.

As for Hendrick, I thought he was diabolical last night and was calling for him to be dragged off - but then he scored the winner! He doesn’t look comfortable in that position though and it’s something I think Dyche really needs to re-think.

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:04 pm

Diesel wrote:With respect, they did cost us the fat end of £18m.

And by todays prices that was rather good value; and by tomorrows prices even better value.

Good time to be a Claret.

HendricksHair · Post by **HendricksHair** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:06 pm

Diesel wrote:With respect, they did cost us the fat end of £18m.

Which is nothing in this day and age.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:08 pm

Dillinger wrote a song about it, didn't he? The bottle of Cork and the knife of Defour, that's the way to spell total war.

Transpennine · Post by **Transpennine** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:17 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:Hendrick was mom and scored a good goal supporting Ashley very well.Did the ugly stuff when needed .another good game in a season of many good games.and yes current cm duo is the best in many a long year.

Interesting that Hendrick was singled out by Gary Neville in the post match analysis as being "a seriously good player"

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:56 pm

Diesel wrote:With respect, they did cost us the fat end of £18m.

We will never spend a better 18 million though!

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:12 pm

Steve1956 wrote:We will never spend a better 18 million though!

Never?

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:35 pm

Diesel wrote:Never?

Dyche is off to Everton apparently, the decline will be rapid!

Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:53 pm

I just wonder what Hendrick and Cork would be like at the defensive role with Defour supporting the striker/ wingers.

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:35 pm

Would like to see Defour in the middle of the three in a 4231, but that would be harsh on Hendrick