"Arm teachers" says Trump

[fidelcastro]

Just when you thought this guy couldn't be more stupid...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-cana ... hare-tools" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Caballo]

Brilliant! Only a genius could conclude that the answer to gun deaths is more guns.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

Yeah I like this one. Now anyone that doesn't even have a gun can overpower a teacher and have one. It's like the IKEA cafe, just with guns

[claretandy]

Has he gone yet ?

[Cirrus_Minor]

So you know who will be the first to killed next time a school is targeted by a nutter.

And all of the teachers who refuse to be armed will be blamed.

Crazy country.

[Blackrod]

More idiocy. Sidearms or assault files ?

[LoveCurryPies]

Trump's next suggestion will be school uniforms made from Kevlar.

[Imploding Turtle]

Trump's next suggestion will be school uniforms made from Kevlar.

From November

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/07/heal ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Lancasterclaret]

Has he gone yet ?

It is actually okay to criticise him when he has a daft idea, and if you don't think this idea is daft, then just how f**ked up are you?*

[Sidney1st]

In all fairness, Trump hasn't been the first person to advocate it, all he's actually doing is repeating what a number of US citizens are suggesting.
You could even say he's quite in tune with what the electorate want to a degree.

Their answer has always involved more guns, incl arming teachers, more security guards, metal detectors or getting rid of gun free zones.

As a percentage, the number of mass shootings involving schools was less than 20% of overall mass shootings a couple of years ago.
They class 4 or more deaths as a mass shooting I think it is.

Some are convinced they're going to be invaded or their government is going to go rogue

They'll tell you gun control doesn't/won't work, but they don't like being told that Australia and the UK haven't had a mass school shooting since the 90's at which point we changed our laws again.

[Sidney1st]

There was also a chart somewhere that showed that armed attackers are stopped more often by unarmed civilians than they are by armed ones.

[Caernarfon_Claret]

Do American's have the right not to bear arms.

I think the second amendment was written down incorrectly they meant the right to keep and bare arms which would bring about an end to unlawful amputations and introduce a new risque society where women and men could wear short sleeved shirts/blouses.

[Lancasterclaret]

Mind you, in fairness to the orange racist waste of space, he has said he's going to support better background checks*

*as long as its not a question that is along the lines of "Now you are not going to use this AR-15 to kill lots of unarmed kids are you?"

[The Hung Juror]

I know, let's give the school kids guns.

[Loyalclaret]

From reports there were armed personnel on campus in this instance...possibly it’s the gun laws and background checks

[Greenmile]

In all fairness, Trump hasn't been the first person to advocate it, all he's actually doing is repeating what a number of US citizens are suggesting.
You could even say he's quite in tune with what the electorate want to a degree.

Their answer has always involved more guns, incl arming teachers, more security guards, metal detectors or getting rid of gun free zones.

Nice try but a) you’re wrong...

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/sta ... -all-gun-/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

...and b) you forgot to crowbar in a “but Hillary...”

D- must do better

To be fair though, you put far more effort in than claretandy.

[Spijed]

Claretandy,

Go on, what are your views on the right to bear arms, whether for self defence or sport?

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

This is a good sketch on American attitudes to guns.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[CharlieinNewMexico]

There was also a chart somewhere that showed that armed attackers are stopped more often by unarmed civilians than they are by armed ones.

There was an even better study of incidents over the last few years that disproved the 'good guy with a gun' theory. The good guy being an armed civilian with a legally carried weapon (who pro-gun lobbyists incessantly champion as the difference maker in these incidents)

In most cases where a licensed civilian was present he either a) got shot or b) hid and waited for help with everyone else.

[Sidney1st]

Nice try but a) you’re wrong...

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/sta ... -all-gun-/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

...and b) you forgot to crowbar in a “but Hillary...”

D- must do better

To be fair though, you put far more effort in than claretandy.

I based my answer on people I've spoken too across social media and stuff I've read.
If I'm wrong then fair enough and cheers for the link, it was an interesting read.

Not sure why I'd need to mention Clinton though, unless I'm missing the sarcasm?

[Greenmile]

I based my answer on people I've spoken too across social media and stuff I've read.
If I'm wrong then fair enough and cheers for the link, it was an interesting read.

Not sure why I'd need to mention Clinton though, unless I'm missing the sarcasm?

It’s what people in general, and you in particular, usually do when defending Trump.

[Sutton-Claret]

I saw this on Facebuk last week - somebody had put it on as a TIC kind of joke.

I wonder if he gets all his ideas from FB.

[Sidney1st]

It’s what people in general, and you in particular, usually do when defending Trump.

Not really though.
In this instance why would I bring her into it, when this is an issue caused by successive presidents who've failed to deal with the issue?
Obama tried I think, to get some stuff done, but it was stopped by congress before it got anywhere.

I'm not defending Trump either, I just said he's repeating what a number of US citizens are suggesting, I haven't said it's right.

[Sidney1st]

I saw this on Facebuk last week - somebody had put it on as a TIC kind of joke.

I wonder if he gets all his ideas from FB.

The idea has been floating around since the incident happened, which explains my comment about him being in tune with some of his fellow citizens.

[houseboy]

There was an even better study of incidents over the last few years that disproved the 'good guy with a gun' theory. The good guy being an armed civilian with a legally carried weapon (who pro-gun lobbyists incessantly champion as the difference maker in these incidents)

In most cases where a licensed civilian was present he either a) got shot or b) hid and waited for help with everyone else.

And this is the point that many miss. The average man or woman on the street doesn't want to shoot anyone and many (most?) wouldn't even use a gun even when threatened because of the threat of prison, the threat of even more chance of being killed or just they don't actually want to kill anyone. It takes a special person to put an end to another person's life, in any circumstance. There are many people who would say 'I would just kill the barsteward if I had a gun with me' but the reality is they probably wouldn't. The idea of putting guns in the hands of teachers is one of the most ridiculous ideas I have ever heard from a so-called world leader.

[Godalmingclaret]

A couple of years down the line a stressed out teacher flips his lid and shoots a few children who have been taunting him and making his life hell. The solution arm the kids!!

"My little Bubba aint safe in school without his assault rifle"

The country is morally and intellectually bankrupt.

[Quickenthetempo]

I don't know why people are having a go at sid here. The idea of arming teachers has been around for 10 years that I know of.
It's a stupid idea but it's not new.

[Sidney1st]

I don't know why people are having a go at sid here. The idea of arming teachers has been around for 10 years that I know of.
It's a stupid idea but it's not new.

They must be gun toting republicans trying to deflect attention

[Sidney1st]

https://twitter.com/JoshuaGrubbsPhD/sta ... twterm%5E1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Good Twitter post from a lecturer who's also licensed to carry a concealed weapon as to why he thinks it's a bad idea to arm teachers.

[Chobulous]

I don't know why people are having a go at sid here. The idea of arming teachers has been around for 10 years that I know of.
It's a stupid idea but it's not new.

They are having a go at Sid because this board has now become so polarised that the battle lines are now firmly and irrevocably entrenched. enemies have been labelled and no matter what is posted there is a battle. Poster A posts, poster B hits back, , no attempt is made to read the actual content.

If one of the usual suspects doesn't contribute to this particular war, someone tries to goad him into posting so the battle can continue. Perfect example this little gem post #17:-

"Claretandy,

Go on, what are your views on the right to bear arms, whether for self defence or sport?"

No doubt someone will say that was a genuine attempt to get someone's point of view, I don't think so somehow.

[Lancasterclaret]

I'd like to hear if Andy thinks arming teachers is a good idea to be honest.

I don't think he thinks that, but he defends trump on everything because he thinks that Trump is the closest thing to what he wants to see in charge and I'm not alone (clearly) in wondering if that extends to ideas like this (which you can file at the same level as Chris Waddle playing sweeper)

Its a pretty genuine question to be fair.

[quoonbeatz]

all americans should be given a gun from birth.

its the only way to sort it all out.

[Greenmile]

I don't know why people are having a go at sid here. The idea of arming teachers has been around for 10 years that I know of.
It's a stupid idea but it's not new.

Not “people”, just me, I think.

The bit I had a problem with was “You could even say he's quite in tune with what the electorate want to a degree.”, which was just wrong.

I’d noticed, like many Trump supporters (which he himself is not,necessarily), Sidney quite often tries to defend the indefensible with arguments that amount to “well, the other side do it too” so I threw in a “humorous” mention of Hillary.

For the benefit of Chobulous, I would say that it wasn’t an attempt to polarise anything or draw battle lines. I often agree with Sidney on many topics - I just disagree with his propensity to use the above line of reasoning whilst trying to pass it off as being “balanced”.

[fidelcastro]

It's important to remember, that research has shown that the sales of guns always goes up following an atrocity such as this recent one.

Therefore, the NRA benefit financially from these said atrocities.

Does anyone still wonder why they passionately oppose any mention of gun control?

[Sidney1st]

Not “people”, just me, I think.

The bit I had a problem with was “You could even say he's quite in tune with what the electorate want to a degree.”, which was just wrong.

I’d noticed, like many Trump supporters (which he himself is not,necessarily), Sidney quite often tries to defend the indefensible with arguments that amount to “well, the other side do it too” so I threw in a “humorous” mention of Hillary.

For the benefit of Chobulous, I would say that it wasn’t an attempt to polarise anything or draw battle lines. I often agree with Sidney on many topics - I just disagree with his propensity to use the above line of reasoning whilst trying to pass it off as being “balanced”.

I throw stuff in sometimes because I've noticed on both sides of political arguments people are blind to what their side has done previously
However I haven't even tried in this one, but thanks for trying to bait me

[Greenmile]

I throw stuff in sometimes because I've noticed on both sides of political arguments people are blind to what their side has done previously
However I haven't even tried in this one, but thanks for trying to bait me

That’s fair - you didn’t do it here. It was just a (presumably failed) joke on my part. You have my apologies if you want them.

[Caballo]

The laughable thing about the right to bear arms is that if the government does go 'rogue' they think some half ar5ed militia with hunting rifles is going to be effective against the worlds military super power.

[Sidney1st]

That’s fair - you didn’t do it here. It was just a (presumably failed) joke on my part. You have my apologies if you want them.

It's ok, no need to apologise and I have taken your point on board ref what I do

[Pstotto]

They already were, when I was at school.

[Quickenthetempo]

The laughable thing about the right to bear arms is that if the government does go 'rogue' they think some half ar5ed militia with hunting rifles is going to be effective against the worlds military super power.

It would be good to set up some paintball/rubber bullet type matches with the Army Vs a group of neighbours or militia to show them just how bizarre their thinking is. To believe they could take the army on with same weapons would be stupid nevermind the drones, rockets etc they would turn up with if taking over.

[Lancasterclaret]

Just seen Trumps prompt card in case he forgot what to say when he met the bereaved kids and relatives.

Christ, how dumb do you have to be to vote in someone that dense?

[LoveCurryPies]

We are lucky to live in a country where you can walk down the street knowing the other people are probably not carrying a gun. Sadly there might be one or two people carrying a knife. How sad / insecure are they!

[Spijed]

We are lucky to live in a country where you can walk down the street knowing the other people are probably not carrying a gun. Sadly there might be one or two people carrying a knife. How sad / insecure are they!

If you can outrun someone with a knife you are perfectly safe. You have no chance against someone with a gun!

[Sidney1st]

If you can outrun someone with a knife you are perfectly safe. You have no chance against someone with a gun!

I'd have no chance with either option.
Thankfully I'm well padded so it's going to require a real effort to stab me, as shown last year by the ex.

[AndrewJB]

Churches in America also seem to be targeted a lot. TIme to arm pastors:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAQy8v0d_qo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[BarstewardsEnquiry]

There was an even better study of incidents over the last few years that disproved the 'good guy with a gun' theory. The good guy being an armed civilian with a legally carried weapon (who pro-gun lobbyists incessantly champion as the difference maker in these incidents)

In most cases where a licensed civilian was present he either a) got shot or b) hid and waited for help with everyone else.

Not quite the same thing but approximately 8/10 soldiers in combat situations throughout the ages deliberately shoot to miss. I imagine a similar scenario with an armed civilian.

[Squarepusher]

What if the teachers don't want guns? Are they planning to just force them to have them anyway?

[Wile E Coyote]

There's an american journalist who works here called charlie wolf, he was on BBC radio suggesting all it needs is an armed officer based at each facility.
What rubbish, if a maniac arrived, all he'd need do would be shoot the guard first.
It is a weak country with an imbecile in the top job. Not that his predecessors did much better, but the majority are thicknecks, so with a dim electorate, not much hope of imminent change.

[ontario claret]

Stupidity begets stupidity. That's all I will say.

[ontario claret]

Charlie Wolf. Any relation to Wolf Blitzer?