joshua v parker

claretnproud · Post by **claretnproud** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:29 am

not convinced with parkers pre match talk. he really is trying to put a brave face on it but joshua will be just too powerfull. Joshua nowhere near a world class fighter yet and if he ever meets a world class fighter IN HIS PRIME he will be on his arse but until the next true world class fighter turns up joshua will continue to mop up.

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:47 am

Joshua v Fury would be interesting.

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:50 am

Pearcey wrote:Joshua v Fury would be interesting.

The build up might be, the fight, not so much.

CFS · Post by **CFS** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:55 am

Caballo wrote:The build up might be, the fight, not so much.

Fury out boxing him for 12 yes.

SammyBoy · Post by **SammyBoy** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:09 am

Joshua will beat Parker comfortably I think.

Milltown1882 · Post by **Milltown1882** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:10 am

With the way Parker struggled past Fury I can see it being light work for Joshua.

Long way down the line yet but think Joshua v Dubois could end up being a war the way he’s coming through.

claretnproud · Post by **claretnproud** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:33 am

its the usual sh1te pay per view that the gullible public pay for. I remember the fights of the 70s and 80s with some truely exceptional fighters fighting in each division. I mean, for you younger fans just google any fights involving hearns,leonard,hagler,duran. Just incredible fighters and a total freak that all should box in same era. And you could say the same about the heavyweight division back then.

Socrates · Post by **Socrates** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:42 am

Joseph Parker is the second best fighter Joshua has fought. That’s not to say he’ll beat him, or even give him a competitive fight, but that’s the reality.

I wouldn’t judge Parker based on what you saw against Fury. It’s hard to look good against a Peter Fury trained heavy, and given his size and movement it’s very much a case of “win this one and look good next time”.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Parker took Joshua into the second half of the fight and caused him some problems. If Joshua isn’t at his best in particular.

And on Tyson Fury ....... if he’s fully fit, to use his own words ...... he plays with Joshua like a cat plays with a ball of wool.

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:47 am

If fit fury will beat joshua no problems

SammyBoy · Post by **SammyBoy** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:35 am

claretnproud wrote:its the usual sh1te pay per view that the gullible public pay for. I remember the fights of the 70s and 80s with some truely exceptional fighters fighting in each division. I mean, for you younger fans just google any fights involving hearns,leonard,hagler,duran. Just incredible fighters and a total freak that all should box in same era. And you could say the same about the heavyweight division back then.

I agree modern day WWE style PPV hype is fairly ridiculous, and often leads to the actual event itself being somewhat underwhelming. That being said I think there are still plenty of good, action packed fights in this era, though they more often than not go under the radar a bit. Not the most skilled display but Conor Benn's recent outing at York Hall was a great watch, check it out on Youtube if you get chance.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:41 pm

Joshua is better than the rest.

claretnproud · Post by **claretnproud** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:33 pm

Not convinced with joshua's ability to go into latter stages of a real toe to to. He was wobbly against klitscko but all he can do is beat whats out there. Amazed that their arent 3 or 4 americans who could give him a fight.

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 4:48 pm

claretnproud wrote: He was wobbly against klitscko

Most fighters are

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 4:56 pm

dpinsussex wrote:Most fighters are

Don't recall Fury having too many problems though which would add weight to the argument that Joshua would struggle against him.
Conversely though, he couldn't put VK away like Joshua did so........

paulus the woodgnome · Post by **paulus the woodgnome** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:47 pm

Fury got put on his arse by Steve Cunningham, a blown up cruiser. I hope Joshua flattens him.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:30 am

A fit fury? Has there EVER been a fit fury?Fury isn’t really a fighter is he. He’s a spoiler. An anti fighter even. I know Boxing is an art form almost, and some boxers love to show off their skills in NOT being hit. Naseem was good at it and made it great to watch. Fury just makes it look like he’s scared of being hit. Maybe it’s because he doesn’t have the fitness to avoid being hit by being more mobile. I know there is a massive gulf in bulk between them two, but still.

Whatever it is, it ISNT good to watch. Must be AWFUL to fight against.

Questions about AJ lasting I get. Looked out on his feet against klitschko, and inexplicably turned it around. I think aj has it by KO in the early rounds if he can use his superior speed and power at a distance. The longer it goes on, the more the wrestler comes into it due to his earlier inferior work rate and spent energy.

Think AJ will put Parker away. And fury. Not too sure about wilder though.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:29 am

Fury has never been and never will be fit and fully conditioned in the true sense of a professional boxer. He has done amazingly well with limited ability but when the chips are down his mental weakness will come through.

Joshua showed such resiliance to come back against Klitschko, many fighters couldn't have done it and would have crumbled. It was a Rocky Balbao moment but in real life. Besides being a proper boxer, it's his mental toughness that will keep him going, Fury will never be in that category.

Duffer_ · Post by **Duffer_** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:55 pm

Watched 'AJ vs Parker: The Gloves Are Off' on Sky. Joshua has let Parker and team get under his skin. AJ was looking to Johnny Nelson for reassurance and didn't sound convincing to me. Kept saying he couldn't afford to lose.

I think Parker has the psychological edge, he's cool and composed and I've backed him at 6-1. Last time I called a boxing fight based on an interview was when Groves wiped the floor with Froch in the TV studio. I got that wrong.

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SammyBoy · Post by **SammyBoy** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:01 pm

Duffer_ wrote:Last time I called a boxing fight based on an interview was when Groves wiped the floor with Froch in the TV studio. I got that wrong.

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First or second fight? To be fair, in the first fight he did wipe the floor with Froch for six rounds or so!

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:12 pm

Klitchko would of wiped the floor with Fury in a rematch. He would of come out fighting to win his title back. Fury won a freak fight with hardly any punches landing and
the performance Klitchko had against AJ would of wiped the floor with Fury.

Socrates · Post by **Socrates** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:25 pm

JohnMac wrote:Fury has never been and never will be fit and fully conditioned in the true sense of a professional boxer. He has done amazingly well with limited ability but when the chips are down his mental weakness will come through.

Absolute nonsense.

Fury is the most talented fighter in the division. He has better movement, throws better combinations and has more ring generalmanship than all of the others at heavy.

His mental weakness? He put his hands behind his back in the first round in Klitschko’s back yard and dared him to try hitting him. This is a good year before Joshua went life and death with Klitschko.

Fury has been down before and got back up to win. He went to Klitschko’s back yard and beat him. Don’t worry about his mental strength.

Socrates · Post by **Socrates** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:25 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Klitchko would of wiped the floor with Fury in a rematch. He would of come out fighting to win his title back. Fury won a freak fight with hardly any punches landing and
the performance Klitchko had against AJ would of wiped the floor with Fury.

You sir, know nothing thing about boxing.

Duffer_ · Post by **Duffer_** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:31 pm

SammyBoy wrote:First or second fight? To be fair, in the first fight he did wipe the floor with Froch for six rounds or so!

This one:

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Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:39 pm

Socrates wrote:You sir, know nothing thing about boxing.

Maybe not but a blind man on a galloping horse could see Klitchko just expected the home referee to give him the points decision. He didn't even get out of first gear. The most boring fight of recent heavyweight history.

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:46 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Klitchko would of wiped the floor with Fury in a rematch. He would of come out fighting to win his title back. Fury won a freak fight with hardly any punches landing and
the performance Klitchko had against AJ would of wiped the floor with Fury.

Errrrrrr no!

Claretuk · Post by **Claretuk** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:07 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Klitchko would of wiped the floor with Fury in a rematch. He would of come out fighting to win his title back. Fury won a freak fight with hardly any punches landing and
the performance Klitchko had against AJ would of wiped the floor with Fury.

The idea in boxing is NOT to get hit my friend.. A fit Fury would school Joshua exactly in the same way as he did Klitchko..

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:16 pm

Too many people underestimating Parker here for me. Parker has a much better gas tank than Joshua and much faster hands. Joshua's not really a boxer he's fought lemons mainly, all he does it bum rush in looking to overwhelm his opponent. The plan has worked so far and he got very lucky against Wlad who should have stopped him in the 6th/7th.

If Parker can jut move the first few rounds and stay out of the way of Joshua's bum rushes I think he has a good chance of stoping Joshua, as Joshua's movement is chronic and a tired Joshua will be a siting duck for someone with hands as fast as Parkers.

Socrates · Post by **Socrates** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:17 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Maybe not but a blind man on a galloping horse could see Klitchko just expected the home referee to give him the points decision. He didn't even get out of first gear. The most boring fight of recent heavyweight history.

He didn’t get going because he couldn’t get going because Fury wouldn’t let him.

The Klitschko’s has a long, long record of getting up and coming heavyweights into camp for their sparring when they were 3 or 4 fights into their career. They’d give them a pasting in sparring and when it came time to fight them properly when they were 20-0 the memories of getting pasted would be there as the bell rang for real. They dictated everything to their opponents and had that mental control

Fury refused to go over as a sparring partner when he was first starting. He called them out on what they did and said that when he stepped in the ring with them it would be for real. He acted up in the press conferences and threatened to cancel the fight the day before because the ring canvas was too soft. He took the control from them and made them think he was crazy. He showed them he wasn’t scared of them and had the fight won before the first bell. Shades of Muhammad Ali going crazy at the Sonny Liston press conference, entirely deliberate and pre-conceived.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:25 pm

Random fact: Muhammad Ali started boxing because somebody stole his bike. He was then trained by an ex-policeman. A few more to mull over: https://factualfacts.com/muhammad-ali/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:37 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Random fact: Muhammad Ali started boxing because somebody stole his bike. He was then trained by an ex-policeman. A few more to mull over: https://factualfacts.com/muhammad-ali/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Picture is Liston.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:40 pm

Caballo wrote:Picture is Liston.

Not sure what you mean. Deffo Ali.

LordBob · Post by **LordBob** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:59 pm

I know nothing at all about boxing, not technical anyway but I do like Anthony Joshua good guy.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:28 pm

There’s no denying that Fury put on a great boxing performance against Klitschko. Unfortunately, for anyone but perhaps the purists, it was a dull as dish water.

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:00 am

FactualFrank wrote:Not sure what you mean. Deffo Ali.

Liston is on the floor, the 'fact' article you linked has it as a picture of Foreman/The Rumble.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:42 am

Rumours that AJ will be coming in at the same weight as when he fought Takam.
If he's that heavy for Parker then I'll be sticking a few quid on Parker points/late stoppage

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:55 am

Everything I've seen suggests around 17.5. I'd be very surprised if hes over 18.

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:18 pm

Unify then off to the UFC

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:04 pm

cutsy123 wrote:Unify then off to the UFC

Can't see that, there's no Conor McGregor at that weight to sell the the fight from the UFC end, as a result they'd never generate the cash.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:38 pm

bobinho wrote:A fit fury? Has there EVER been a fit fury?Fury isn’t really a fighter is he. He’s a spoiler. An anti fighter even. I know Boxing is an art form almost, and some boxers love to show off their skills in NOT being hit. Naseem was good at it and made it great to watch. Fury just makes it look like he’s scared of being hit. Maybe it’s because he doesn’t have the fitness to avoid being hit by being more mobile. I know there is a massive gulf in bulk between them two, but still.

Whatever it is, it ISNT good to watch. Must be AWFUL to fight against.

Questions about AJ lasting I get. Looked out on his feet against klitschko, and inexplicably turned it around. I think aj has it by KO in the early rounds if he can use his superior speed and power at a distance. The longer it goes on, the more the wrestler comes into it due to his earlier inferior work rate and spent energy.

Think AJ will put Parker away. And fury. Not too sure about wilder though.

Superior speed?

SammyBoy · Post by **SammyBoy** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:22 pm

Caballo wrote:Can't see that, there's no Conor McGregor at that weight to sell the the fight from the UFC end, as a result they'd never generate the cash.

There's generally just no money in the UFC relative to boxing. I think I read that Jon Jones, arguably the P4P best fighter in the UFC has only made $10m in his whole career. A similar name in boxing would command that per fight, and then some.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:26 pm

Fury's mental weakness has been there for everyone to witness.

I hope he cleans himself up but for me at the moment he is Boxing's version of Gazza.

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:45 pm

JohnMac wrote:Fury's mental weakness has been there for everyone to witness.

I hope he cleans himself up but for me at the moment he is Boxing's version of Gazza.

That would wipe the floor with the lot

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:50 pm

Damo wrote:Rumours that AJ will be coming in at the same weight as when he fought Takam.
If he's that heavy for Parker then I'll be sticking a few quid on Parker points/late stoppage

You need to listen to different rumours Damo, Joshua in at 17st 4.

The Enclosure · Post by **The Enclosure** » Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:54 pm

Parker will win.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:09 pm

Caballo wrote:You need to listen to different rumours Damo, Joshua in at 17st 4.

Thing is I still see the same fuel guzzling muscles
But with no fuel cladding them.
It gives AJ more chance of catching and putting away Parker early but added issues in the later rounds if it gets there.

MrClaretandBlue · Post by **MrClaretandBlue** » Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:17 pm

The Enclosure wrote:Parker will win.

He might win a round.

paulus the woodgnome · Post by **paulus the woodgnome** » Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:10 pm

Parker is about the same level as Takam. He is not going to beat AJ. He's gonna try. As Tyson (Mike, that is) once said "Everybody has a plan, until they get hit".

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:22 pm

paulus the woodgnome wrote:Parker is about the same level as Takam. He is not going to beat AJ. He's gonna try. As Tyson (Mike, that is) once said "Everybody has a plan, until they get hit".

Funny that he beat Takam who was on a full camp and Parker went in to the camp nowhere near 100%

paulus the woodgnome · Post by **paulus the woodgnome** » Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:27 pm

It was a pretty close fight between Parker and Takam. That's why he is "about the same level".

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Mar 30, 2018 11:06 pm

Caballo wrote:You need to listen to different rumours Damo, Joshua in at 17st 4.

The info I got is from a reliable source.
Clearly wrong though. AJ needs to be more mobile that his last fight