Arsenal and TV Revenue

[houseboy]

Okay so now we are keeping an eye on 6th place (a distinct possibility since we have to play Arsenal yet) but yesterdays result got me thinking. Arsenal are a decent side without a doubt but they are having a stinker of a season, they are one place and 2 points above us (and would have been below us now but for yet another smash and grab injury timer at the Turf), so it is fair to say that they are a long way from being the best side in the PL. So it got me thinking as to why Arsenal seem to be getting more than their fair share of TV time. Another Sunday game for them yesterday and another televised match. I've only recently noticed this due to, for obvious reasons, keeping an eye on their results and I realised that I can't remember the last time Arsenal played on Saturday afternoon. It also gives them the slight advantage of knowing what their direct competition (us in this case) have done and what they need to do. The other thing that highlighted this is the fact that Newcastle v Arsenal was never going to be the match of the weekend, it was a nothing fixture really, Arsenal are going nowhere (apart from possibly down to 7th) and Newcastle were all-but safe from relegation. It could have been classed as a sort of mid-table fixture.
Has anyone else noticed this or is it simply a recent development? I'm not suggesting any TV favoured Arsenal conspiracy or any of that rubbish, just wondered.

[conyoviejo]

The prize money is split into three categories one of them being appearance money,so there will be teams below us who will get more money at the end of the season.. Life's a bitch

[Down_Rover]

It is the media who decide which matches are televised and their income depends upon viewing numbers which is the key factor affecting advertising income.

They clearly perceive more people will tune in to watch the big 6, particularly Manure and therefore maximise their income. Little old Burnley will be well down the ladder.

It gets worse. The commentators and summarisers are terrified to say anything that upsets their targets of couch potato fans who tune in to watch the likes of Manure roll over teams they have never heard of.

I enjoyed watching West Brom roll over United but switched over before the post match analysis. No doubt, as it was when they lost to Brizzle, it was all about how United lost and not how West Brom won.

It is just another economic factor that little clubs like us have to put up with. It is a fact of life and there is nothing we can do about it

[Colburn_Claret]

If it was meant to give them an advantage it clearly backfired.
Post under paranoia.

[Grimsdale]

They play a large number of Sunday games due to their Europa League games being on a Thursday.

Something we'll need to get used to next season.

[IanMcL]

They are one of the original big 5. The prem is for them.

[houseboy]

If it was meant to give them an advantage it clearly backfired.
Post under paranoia.

Post under 'not reading a post properly'. My last sentence says what, exactly? I am not suggesting anything in my post, simply asking a question. Neither am I jealous from a Burnley FC point of view, I would expect them to get more coverage as a bigger club, just not as much as they do in general. As for the advantage thing, that is spot on as EVERYONE knows, that is why the last games of the season always kick off at the same time.
Anything else?

[KRBFC]

It's not rocket science, more people will watch Arsenal play on Sky than us. Paying for a Sky Sports package is like having a season ticket at Man United, Leeds, Aston Villa, Man City and Liverpool.

[houseboy]

It's not rocket science, more people will watch Arsenal play on Sky than us. Paying for a Sky Sports package is like having a season ticket at Man United, Leeds, Aston Villa, Man City and Liverpool.

For one last time, I wasn't comparing them to us, I fully agree they would get more coverage than us, that is not in dispute. It was just a question as to why they get as much as they do, which some people have tried to answer sensibly whilst others immediately jump on the 'criticising a post bandwagon' because they haven't read it properly.
I think what goes on sometimes is that people see a post, decide they want to argue the point, but forget to read to the end, in this case where I say I was just asking a question, NOT suggesting some kind of conspiracy 'rubbish' (my own term).
It's not rocket science.

[dsr]

As for the advantage thing, that is spot on as EVERYONE knows, that is why the last games of the season always kick off at the same time.

The advantage thing is vital on the last day because knowing whether you need a draw or a win is very helpful. When there are 5 games left, or 15, or 25 or 35, it's much less important, probably totally unimportant. Did Arsenal have an advantage yesterday against Newcastle, knowing that they needed 14 points in 6 games to be certain of sixth place, but the actual target would be 8 or less if Burnley lose a couple more? I don't see it.

[Juan Tanamera]

They are one of the original big 5. The prem is for them.

You've got me thinking there Ian (dangerous I know), Arsenal are currently one of the 'big six' so if by some miracle we end up 6th will it revert to the 'big five'

[Chester Perry]

even If we finish sixth it is probable that we will be 9th or 10th in the TV money payment league because of appearances in live matches. More reason to stand firm against the big six, Everton, Leicester and West Ham over the distribution of International rights monies

[DCWat]

Who were the drivers of the PL switch - Arsenal, Man United, Spurs, Liverpool and Everton or was there a sixth?

Chelsea and Man City are just nouveau riche and despite large fan bases I’d never include Leeds or Villa alongside the traditional big boys (perhaps slightly harsh on Villa but definitely not on Leeds).

[FCBurnley]

Currently the league is split into 3 sections. The top 4 followed by Chelsea, Arsenal and Burnley with rest lagging way behind.

[Spijed]

Who were the drivers of the PL switch - Arsenal, Man United, Spurs, Liverpool and Everton or was there a sixth?

Chelsea and Man City are just nouveau riche and despite large fan bases I’d never include Leeds or Villa alongside the traditional big boys (perhaps slightly harsh on Villa but definitely not on Leeds).

To be fair to Leeds they have a fan base which is bigger than Man City's. They could fill a 60,000 seate ground in the prem.

[DCWat]

Surely you missed a zero off there, Spijed.

[KRBFC]

Who were the drivers of the PL switch - Arsenal, Man United, Spurs, Liverpool and Everton or was there a sixth?

Chelsea and Man City are just nouveau riche and despite large fan bases I’d never include Leeds or Villa alongside the traditional big boys (perhaps slightly harsh on Villa but definitely not on Leeds).

There's not many other English clubs who could sell tickets like Leeds though, besides the point, the Sky Championship coverage sees the same 3 or 4 clubs on TV every week which is why I said ''like having a season ticket''.

[IanMcL]

You've got me thinking there Ian (dangerous I know), Arsenal are currently one of the 'big six' so if by some miracle we end up 6th will it revert to the 'big five'

The big five, who led the formation of the Premier League, are Manchester United, Arsenal, Tottenham Hotspur, Liverpool and Everton.

They are the key 'creator's.

They have, in financial terms, been joined by first Chelsea and more recently, Manchester City.

Everton, despite a large spend, failed to get all get them this season. They constantly have been at the tail end of the 'seven'.

Leicester upset things big time. Burnley have ruffled them a little this season. However, Burnley can never be accepted - we don't fit the profile. Nor do Leicester.

West Ham and possibly Newcastle could get there....if ever they were properly managed on and off the pitch. Leeds could possibly be welcomed. The two Glasgow clubs fit the profile but are currently on the wrong side of the border.

I predict a Euro League before they would be in.

[Juan Tanamera]

To be fair to Leeds they have a fan base which is bigger than Man City's. They could fill a 60,000 seate ground in the prem.

I'm not too sure Leeds could do 60,000 Spijed.

During their heyday from 1965 - 1975, they averaged around 37,000 in a ground capacity of 57,000.
(If I could remember how to put a photo on here I'd show you a screenshot of those averages)

[Dazzler]

(If I could remember how to put a photo on here I'd show you a screenshot of those averages)

Here you go pal

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[Claretforever]

Leed United.

City of 750,000 people. They have never averaged 40,000, even in their heyday and with a large capacity.

The only thing big about them is the chip on their shoulder. Yes, because of the city size they’ll always get decent top level crowds. But they’re floating around mid-table in that respect.

[claretabroad]

Interesting that dirtyleeds averaged more the season they got relegated from the premier league than they did the year they won the title.

[houseboy]

The advantage thing is vital on the last day because knowing whether you need a draw or a win is very helpful. When there are 5 games left, or 15, or 25 or 35, it's much less important, probably totally unimportant. Did Arsenal have an advantage yesterday against Newcastle, knowing that they needed 14 points in 6 games to be certain of sixth place, but the actual target would be 8 or less if Burnley lose a couple more? I don't see it.

I would agree with you that it isn't much at this stage but it is always nice to know what you need to achieve on any given day. My main point however is that (and it may only SEEM this way) Arsenal hardly ever seem to play on Saturdays these days, but then as it has been pointed out they do play in the Europa a lot. But should that Europa commitment have a knock-on effect from TV revenue? I still can't help thinking they are getting more than their fair share at the moment considering they are going to finish 6th or (hopefully) 7th.

[dsr]

Arsenal are getting more than their fair share, but's that's because they have more fans and specifically, more armchair fans. One of the big things for the TV companies is the numbers of people watching. They don't much care who they are, they just want the numbers up to attract advertisers. So if Arsenal are on, all the armchair or non-travelling Arsenal fans will watch; if Burnley are on, all the armchair or non-travelling Burnley fans will watch. And Arsenal (partly because of the name) are more attractive to neutrals. So Arsenal get the viewers, so Arsenal get picked.

I don't think they're getting more TV money because of the Europa League, though. A lot of their matches are played on Sunday but not televised.

[PLTMGMBJ]

Don't know about Arsenal but notate Bournemouth have or will have been on BT twice in five days! I have BT sport and have only seen us on once, the Spurs game.