Wood and Hendrick

1914tyrone · Post by **1914tyrone** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 4:52 pm

Please someone tell me the last time this combo came off. It NEVER works! Regardless of the opposition.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 4:54 pm

1914tyrone wrote:Please someone tell me the last time this combo came off. It NEVER works! Regardless of the opposition.

Neither did Ben Mee at left back. Give it time.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 4:54 pm

I can understand the need to get more numbers into midfield but Wood is so isolated and is practically useless as a lone striker. I’d prefer we played Barnes and Wood and put Hendrick on the left to bolster the midfield. Lennon’s pace is invaluable to prevent their counter attacks. That said, this game is all but over. The way we set up we had to keep the deficit to 1 to give ourselves 25 mins to chase the game.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 4:57 pm

I've never wanted HT to come quick enough.
Where's our fight gone.

No player within 20 yards of Wood every time we lump it to him.
It's wave after wave of attacks.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 4:57 pm

I'd stick Vokes and Barnes on, I'd rather lose 8-0 trying to win that this sack of ****

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 4:57 pm

I've never wanted HT to come quick enough.
Where's our fight gone.

No player within 20 yards of Wood every time we lump it to him.
It's wave after wave of attacks.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 4:57 pm

I've never wanted HT to come quick enough.
Where's our fight gone.

No player within 20 yards of Wood every time we lump it to him.
It's wave after wave of attacks.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 4:58 pm

Well the game is lost, so we might well take a midfielder off for Vydra. We might as well learn something from the defeat.

1914tyrone · Post by **1914tyrone** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 4:59 pm

‘Neither did Ben Mee at left back. Give it time!’

We tried it half of last season and fourth league game this, needs two strikers!

bfc-sparta · Post by **bfc-sparta** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 5:03 pm

I can see this as well as many other people. Why can dyche not. Its nit been 1 game that its not worked it's been every game. When Barnes and wood played together we looked good. Hendrick looked better in midfield on Thursday than he as ever looked behind the striker

CatonClaret · Post by **CatonClaret** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 5:59 pm

Wood is horribly out of form, the formation and style of play doesn’t cater to his strengths and nothing is sticking for him. Now there’s no Thursday/Sunday game schedule stick him on the bench and have Vokes or Barnes starting. Think Hendrick was unlucky to be hooked today in place of him and as many have said should be starting in CM not playing AM. Vydra needs to be integrated more into our style of play before we start him but he should of been on way earlier today. Looked instantly more threatening as a 442 today though too

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:01 pm

No I'm not in a cave, just it posted it 3 times, bad connection at HT

Nonayforever · Post by **Nonayforever** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:14 pm

I really don't like having a go at our own plyers, but what are woods strengths ?
He can't win a header, can't hold up the ball, doesn't appear to have much pace, doesn't win free kicks ?

Both Vokes & Barnes have strong points that are evident every match.

MDWat · Post by **MDWat** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:26 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Neither did Ben Mee at left back. Give it time.

The remedy for that was to stop it happening

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:31 pm

Not good. Wood can't play up top on his own and it's just a waste of time and a shirt persevering with this.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:32 pm

Wood is soft as **** and Hendrick is not a number 10. Bizarre how Dyche still persists.

bfc-sparta · Post by **bfc-sparta** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:35 pm

Wood is not the weak link. He needs some 1 up top with him. He won the ball many times today out wide and back in mid and there was no 1 in box to pass it to.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:44 pm

bfc-sparta wrote:Wood is not the weak link. He needs some 1 up top with him. He won the ball many times today out wide and back in mid and there was no 1 in box to pass it to.

Spot on. The amount of times he won the ball and either had nobody to lay it too or when he did nobody in behind him was frightening.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:44 pm

MACCA wrote:I've never wanted HT to come quick enough.
Where's our fight gone.

No player within 20 yards of Wood every time we lump it to him.
It's wave after wave of attacks.

Hate to agree. I was exactly the same.

ranjexel · Post by **ranjexel** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:55 pm

We are not going to win games with 4-4-1-1 . especially with Wood and Hendrick up front. Hendrick is not a number 10

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:56 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Neither did Ben Mee at left back. Give it time.

Weird comment considering Ben Mee only worked when he got moved to centre half.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:57 pm

Hendrick, after a good game at centre mid on a Thursday gets shifted back up to playing behind the striker - something that has never worked and will never work - when we have Vydra on the bench who belongs in that position. Gobsmacked genuinely.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:57 pm

ranjexel wrote:We are not going to win games with 4-4-1-1 . especially with Wood and Hendrick up front. Hendrick is not a number 10

Strange comment given the number of games we won last season with those two in the same positions.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:58 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Strange comment given the number of games we won last season with those two in the same positions.

Jeff Hendrick was average last season. 5-6/10 performances week in week out. He doesn’t belong there, and he never will.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:00 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Strange comment given the number of games we won last season with those two in the same positions.

With respect, early on last season we weren't lumping long balls up to Wood, rather playing more 'football' with good interplay between Defour, Brady, Hendrick and Ward down the left

claretcarrot93 · Post by **claretcarrot93** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:04 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Strange comment given the number of games we won last season with those two in the same positions.

We won because of Brady and mainly Defour. Not played the same football since.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:10 pm

It’s this mentality that lets us down. Too much “well we won games and finished 7th with this so it doesn’t need to change”, instead of properly looking at how effective it was. We scores less goals than we played games last season - the defence was exceptional, but attacking wise there was always a lot to work on. We’ve signed Vydra (albeit our only attacking addition), so let’s use him.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:12 pm

I can understand the reasoning behind playing Wood as he runs the channels better than anyone and is our biggest goal threat. But he needs support desperately. Be that Barnes, Vydra or Vokes.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:13 pm

It's certainly not working and something needs to change. Either Vydra plays as no. 10 or we go 442 with Vokes or Barnes.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:27 pm

Wood getting a lot of unfair criticism for today's game. Don't think there was a great deal he could do with absolutely no support. He battled hard from what I saw and did okay in the second half when he finally got some support.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:34 pm

Hendrick and Wood did as well as they can be expected to be when they have zero support.

Certainly talking Jeff off when he's slightly more physical than both Cork or Westwood was a strange one today. Not one of them was getting up in support of the front two, and so the very few occasions we created anything there was nobody to aim at. Jeff should be alongside Cork in the middle, with someone else playing that No 10 role so he can best utilise his strengths.

And we could have a front three of Ronaldo, Messi and Suarez and we'd still lose if we continue to defend like we are.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:25 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Hendrick and Wood did as well as they can be expected to be when they have zero support.

Certainly talking Jeff off when he's slightly more physical than both Cork or Westwood was a strange one today. Not one of them was getting up in support of the front two, and so the very few occasions we created anything there was nobody to aim at. Jeff should be alongside Cork in the middle, with someone else playing that No 10 role so he can best utilise his strengths.

And we could have a front three of Ronaldo, Messi and Suarez and we'd still lose if we continue to defend like we are.

Agree with you on the Hendrick substitution. If we wanted to go 4-4-2 at that point I'd have taken off Westwood.

I'd also agree it's the defending which is letting us down right now.

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:37 pm

Defending, which was once our main strength is now at present shambolic. Whether it's all the swapping and changing or the lack of any shape, I'm not quite sure. We are certainly very predictable and I hope that SD uses this International break wisely to iron out the faults and try and come up with something a little different.

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:38 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Agree with you on the Hendrick substitution. If we wanted to go 4-4-2 at that point I'd have taken off Westwood.

I'd also agree it's the defending which is letting us down right now.

I was wondering why Westwood was not taken instead of Hendrick. Strangely Westwood had one of his best games on Thursday but looked a bit weak today.

MRG · Post by **MRG** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:35 pm

Wood was terrible. He simply doesn’t offer anything in this system, no pace, poor in the air and the ball simply doesn’t stick

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:40 pm

I thought the ball boys played well today....well done lads.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:41 pm

MRG wrote:Wood was terrible. He simply doesn’t offer anything in this system, no pace, poor in the air and the ball simply doesn’t stick

Except it did today and he laid it off well to others - there's nothing coming forward from midfield though and that's not his fault. For me our worst midfielder today was Cork - he looks a shadow of the standout player he was last season at the moment.

And Hendrick has been very good over the last 4-5 games.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:43 pm

bfc-sparta wrote:Wood is not the weak link. He needs some 1 up top with him. He won the ball many times today out wide and back in mid and there was no 1 in box to pass it to.

He did very well at holding the ball up and getting into decent space.

We do need two up front at home.

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:46 pm

MRG wrote:Wood was terrible. He simply doesn’t offer anything in this system, no pace, poor in the air and the ball simply doesn’t stick

Watching on the radio then?

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:58 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:He did very well at holding the ball up and getting into decent space.

We do need two up front at home.

My understanding of 4-5-1 is that it evolves into 4-3-3 when we attack. There's a major part of the problem in my humble opinion.

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 10:16 pm

Rileybobs wrote:I can understand the reasoning behind playing Wood as he runs the channels better than anyone and is our biggest goal threat. But he needs support desperately. Be that Barnes, Vydra or Vokes.

For something that's so blatantly obvious to just about everyone in the ground, why is that only Dyche and Woan fail to identify the problem?

Wood looks totally brassed off playing as a lone striker and who can blame him.

Also when was the last time Westwood or Cork even set foot in the opposition penalty box?.....We are so predictable and easy for Mourinho to nullify.

MRG · Post by **MRG** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 10:19 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:For something that's so blatantly obvious to just about everyone in the ground, why is that only Dyche and Woan fail to identify the problem?

Wood looks totally brassed off playing as a lone striker and who can blame him.

Also when was the last time Westwood or Cork even set foot in the opposition penalty box?.....We are so predictable and easy for Mourinho to nullify.

Sums it up perfectly, give him the support and he’s immense, without it he looks useless!