Removing Medals

basil6345789 · Post by **basil6345789** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:15 pm

What was the purpose of our players hastily removing their medals from around their necks? It looked rehearsed.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:21 pm

they have won nothing - I totally get it - they will use the hurt in Qatar hopefully

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:23 pm

Some countries see them as runners up medals, others as losers medals.

basil6345789 · Post by **basil6345789** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:24 pm

They came runners-up, ie 2nd place out of a large field

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:26 pm

basil6345789 wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:24 pm
They came runners-up, ie 2nd place out of a large field

as Burnley Ace said 1st last

HunterST_BFC · Post by **HunterST_BFC** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:26 pm

present them in cases instead of hanging them on.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:29 pm

HunterST_BFC wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:26 pm
present them in cases instead of hanging them on.

yes then stick them in the back of a drawer at least until you retire

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:29 pm

Chester Perry wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:21 pm
they have won nothing - I totally get it - they will use the hurt in Qatar hopefully

Sadly Chester , you don’t get it. Just out of interest have you ever battled through the rounds of a sporting competition ?

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:34 pm

Elizabeth wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:29 pm
Sadly Chester , you don’t get it

I totally get it - come from a successful sporting family we only displayed key 1st place trophies (not all) and when we retired from the sport we got rid of everything, there were plenty in boxes from the moment we arrived home from competitions

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:37 pm

I thought there was a thread on this earlier that I can’t see now. If I’m right it’s one more issue among a growing number that people can’t be trusted to discuss properly

basil6345789 · Post by **basil6345789** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:44 pm

Chester Perry wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:26 pm
as Burnley Ace said 1st last

So how do you regard a Silver Medal in The Olympics?

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:45 pm

Chester Perry wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:34 pm
I totally get it - come from a successful sporting family we only displayed key 1st place trophies (not all) and when we retired from the sport we got rid of everything, there were plenty in boxes from the moment we arrived home from competitions

I also come from a very successful sporting family. Like all sports not everyone can win but we were brought up to respect the competition and be proud to be lucky enough to reach any final because there were a lot of losers along the way who would have wished to be in your place .
Similarly to you the medals and cups are now boxed away only to be showed to our younger generations if they were interested enough to ask . They are generally forgotten but the memories are still there.
My issue with yesterday was the haste a lot of these players had in taking the medals from their necks . In my opinion that was not needed, it seemed a contrived happening and in front of the nation’s cameras was not a good look whatever differing views people have about the merits of doing it

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:55 pm

Elizabeth wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:45 pm
I also come from a very successful sporting family. Like all sports not everyone can win but we were brought up to respect the competition and be proud to be lucky enough to reach any final because there were a lot of losers along the way who would have wished to be in your place .
Similarly to you the medals and cups are now boxed away only to be showed to our younger generations if they were interested enough to ask . They are generally forgotten but the memories are still there.
My issue with yesterday was the haste a lot of these players had in taking the medals from their necks . In my opinion that was not needed, it seemed a contrived happening and in front of the nation’s cameras was not a good look whatever differing views people have about the merits of doing it

Like you we were brought up to respect the competition, the sport and our competitors, I see nothing disrespectful in taking the medal off - if anything forcing them to wear the medal in this way is perhaps the most disrespectful thing and that comes from the blown up pomposity of the competition hosts - think back to our youth and such medals were given in cases to the players - this is UEFA playing at trying to be as blown up as the Olympics

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:58 pm

Elizabeth wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:45 pm
I also come from a very successful sporting family. Like all sports not everyone can win but we were brought up to respect the competition and be proud to be lucky enough to reach any final because there were a lot of losers along the way who would have wished to be in your place .
Similarly to you the medals and cups are now boxed away only to be showed to our younger generations if they were interested enough to ask . They are generally forgotten but the memories are still there.
My issue with yesterday was the haste a lot of these players had in taking the medals from their necks . In my opinion that was not needed, it seemed a contrived happening and in front of the nation’s cameras was not a good look whatever differing views people have about the merits of doing it

Spot on Elizabeth,if i was Fifa I'd ask for the medals back if they weren't satisfied with a runners up medal.

Thehistoryteacher · Post by **Thehistoryteacher** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:03 pm

England’s egg chasers , a sport much touted for its sense of fair play and doing the right thing , did the same thing after they lost a final .. maybe they don’t like being paraded around as though they’ve just come second in the egg and spoon race ?

Nobody threw a tantrum or refused a medal …

diamondpocket · Post by **diamondpocket** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:10 pm

Why couldn't they just the 5 yards off the stage, take a right turn, go over to where the squad is and then just take the medal off out of the limelight and with no fuss?
The fact they did within 0.25 secs after it was placed on them showed disrespect to themselves mainly but also to the organisers UEFA and the competition and its teams. 2nd place isn't bad at all. Walk off, accept defeat and stop acting like a brat child who lost. Be proud of what you've achieved. Walk off graciously and then once you're out of the spotlight take it off and go back to the dressing room.

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:14 pm

Someone today suggested stopping giving Final losers medals to remove the issue. Personally I think that’s as good a problem solver as your boss giving you extra desk trays after you complain work is all over your desk because there is too much for one person to deal with.
I have no problem with the way the losing team get presented with their Final medals now but in order to remove the problem then the idea of a box presentation is a good one . They are hardly going to throw the box away while they are on the platform. Are they?

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:15 pm

What’s the issue with it? There was no disrespect in doing it at all. Finishing second in a 2 horse race isn’t exactly worth celebrating is it? That’s exactly what it was last night. After a few days the players will feel differently but you can’t blame them for what they did last night.

yTib · Post by **yTib** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:15 pm

surprised this crappy nonsense issue has gotten so far.

there are much more important things to moan about.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:24 pm

Elizabeth wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:14 pm
Someone today suggested stopping giving Final losers medals to remove the issue. Personally I think that’s as good a problem solver as your boss giving you extra desk trays after you complain work is all over your desk because there is too much for one person to deal with.
I have no problem with the way the losing team get presented with their Final medals now but in order to remove the problem then the idea of a box presentation is a good one . They are hardly going to throw the box away while they are on the platform. Are they?

There is no podium in the traditional sense and certainly no gold, silver and bronze - here the medals are a memento not the prize that it is the cup and only the winners are on the podium though this is Wembley they should walk up to the royal box

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:24 pm

Dyched wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:15 pm
What’s the issue with it? There was no disrespect in doing it at all. Finishing second in a 2 horse race isn’t exactly worth celebrating is it? That’s exactly what it was last night. After a few days the players will feel differently but you can’t blame them for what they did last night.

An international competition with 24 countries taking part and lasting 4 weeks can hardly be described as a 2 horse race with respect

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:28 pm

Chester Perry wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:24 pm
There is no podium in the traditional sense and certainly no gold, silver and bronze - here the medals are a memento not the prize that it is the cup and only the winners are on the podium though this is Wembley they should walk up to the royal box

I wasn’t the poster comparing it to the Olympic medal ceremony.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:31 pm

Elizabeth wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:24 pm
An international competition with 24 countries taking part and lasting 4 weeks can hardly be described as a 2 horse race with respect

Well, it can.

If you’ve just ran around for 120 minutes plus, or watched your teammates do it and go from all the emotions plus far more than us fans think. Then yes, it is a 2 horse race. I very much doubt any if then thought “It’s all good boys, where are the other 22?”.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:34 pm

https://youtu.be/9k-Q4Zc2Xqw

As I said last time, Messi was doing it in 2014, he wasn't the first and won't be the last though, it's been going on for years.

It isn't an issue for most people, just suddenly it is and it's because it's England.

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:36 pm

Unbelievable. People will whinge about absolutely anything won’t they.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:37 pm

In fairness every single player gave everything they had, in the cold light of day the difference was the greater technical ability of the Italian midfield and a very experienced canny manager who out thought Southgate.

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:39 pm

Dyched wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:31 pm
Well, it can.

If you’ve just ran around for 120 minutes plus, or watched your teammates do it and go from all the emotions plus far more than us fans think. Then yes, it is a 2 horse race. I very much doubt any if then thought “It’s all good boys, where are the other 22?”.

The gap in our understanding of such competitions is a big one

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:44 pm

Comments like ‘crappy nonsense’ and ‘whinge’ are what lead to threads becoming toxic so having had my say I’m happy to let it descend into the usual nonsense that does this board no good

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:45 pm

Elizabeth wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:39 pm
The gap in our understanding of such competitions is a big one

It’s really not hard to understand.

Say, most Olympic sports have quite a few participants in the final.

Had all 24 teams been on the pitch last night and England were the second to last standing, then I’m sure they’d have felt differently about the situation. But those England players had to watch the Italian celebrations then pick up their medal.

yTib · Post by **yTib** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:45 pm

crappy nonsense.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:45 pm

I thought it looked petulant and childish to remove a medal immediately after receiving it. What harm would it have done to keep it on for a few minutes, then remove it off camera and throw it away if they so wish? A lack of class, albeit in a very difficult moment.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:48 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:45 pm
I thought it looked petulant and childish to remove a medal immediately after receiving it. What harm would it have done to keep it on for a few minutes, then remove it off camera and throw it away if they so wish? A lack of class, albeit in a very difficult moment.

It's been that way as long as I can remember in football.

I know society likes raising the kids to think it's all about taking part, but it ain't.
They finished 2nd, the last thing they're going to do is to celebrate it.

What they need to do is look at those medals and gain a determination to make it gold next time.

No one remembers who came 2nd.

yTib · Post by **yTib** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:49 pm

glib outrage at its worst.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:53 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:48 pm
It's been that way as long as I can remember in football.

I know society likes raising the kids to think it's all about taking part, but it ain't.
They finished 2nd, the last thing they're going to do is to celebrate it.

What they need to do is look at those medals and gain a determination to make it gold next time.

No one remembers who came 2nd.

100%. This is what separates us as a sporting nation to others.

Other nations win and want to win and win and win again. Look at the history of Germany, Italy, Brazil, Australia, etc etc they win over and over again at whatever sport(s) are most popular in their nation. We’re just happy with 2nd place. If we do win **** hits the fan and we decompose.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:56 pm

basil6345789 wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:44 pm
So how do you regard a Silver Medal in The Olympics?

Depends on your targets - Roger Black got his and celebrated because Michael Johnson was from another planet, for those aiming to be first it is 1st last - look at Olympic funding in British sport over the last 20 years - it is focused on gold and stopped funding those who failed to medal at all - while it may have led to questionable practices to get those medals it also led to our most successful ever period in sport

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:06 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:48 pm
It's been that way as long as I can remember in football.

I know society likes raising the kids to think it's all about taking part, but it ain't.
They finished 2nd, the last thing they're going to do is to celebrate it.

What they need to do is look at those medals and gain a determination to make it gold next time.

No one remembers who came 2nd.

Nobody remembers who came second in any sporting competition.

That doesn’t mean you should disrespect the competition itself or it’s other competitors by removing a medal you’ve been awarded by removing it immediately. It’d have been much classier to keep it on a few minutes and remove it off camera.

It’s like an Olympian removing a bronze or silver medal or an F1 driver refusing a trophy for 2nd/3rd. Just totally unnecessary in my opinion.

yTib · Post by **yTib** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:08 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:06 pm
Nobody remembers who came second in any sporting competition.

steve davis, roger black, dick dastardly.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:17 pm

yTib wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:08 pm
steve davis, roger black, dick dastardly.

Who are they?

yTib · Post by **yTib** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:18 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:17 pm
Who are they?

sorry i meant jimmy white.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:43 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:06 pm
Nobody remembers who came second in any sporting competition.

That doesn’t mean you should disrespect the competition itself or it’s other competitors by removing a medal you’ve been awarded by removing it immediately. It’d have been much classier to keep it on a few minutes and remove it off camera.

It’s like an Olympian removing a bronze or silver medal or an F1 driver refusing a trophy for 2nd/3rd. Just totally unnecessary in my opinion.

Like I said on an earlier comment, when the likes of Messi are doing it at a world cup final we can hardly moan when our lot do it.
It's the norm, has been for years and years.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:53 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:43 pm
Like I said on an earlier comment, when the likes of Messi are doing it at a world cup final we can hardly moan when our lot do it.
It's the norm, has been for years and years.

It’s pathetic whoever does it. I’ve been quite impressed with the behaviour of the England players this tournament, so I’d have expected more class.

Don’t know, but I very much doubt Southgate took his off on camera because he has more about him.

bf2k · Post by **bf2k** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:19 pm

basil6345789 wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:15 pm
What was the purpose of our players hastily removing their medals from around their necks? It looked rehearsed.

Who wants a losers medal round their necks? To me it shows they are winners. I love that

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:30 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:53 pm
It’s pathetic whoever does it. I’ve been quite impressed with the behaviour of the England players this tournament, so I’d have expected more class.

Don’t know, but I very much doubt Southgate took his off on camera because he has more about him.

How you think Gareth Southgate knew he was off camera is more laughable than the whinging.

GordonvaleClaret · Post by **GordonvaleClaret** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:27 pm

Perhaps in conflict with their jewellery sponsors.

Ric_C · Post by **Ric_C** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:37 pm

I noticed it when Utd lost the Uefa cup final, it's as though they'd made a point to do it.

Also noticed Kalvin Phillips took his off straight away, and then kissed his medal. Really like that lad

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:13 am

bf2k wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:19 pm
Who wants a losers medal round their necks? To me it shows they are winners. I love that

Surely it shows that while they would like to be winners, they consider themselves to be losers?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:30 am

bfcjg wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:37 pm
In fairness every single player gave everything they had, in the cold light of day the difference was the greater technical ability of the Italian midfield and a very experienced canny manager who out thought Southgate.

No it wasn't, the technical ability of the Italian midfield had nothing to do with it, neither did this rubbish anti Southgate crap you're posting, the difference was the penalty shootout. England were winning for an hour of the game, Italy HAD to step it up and score, we didn't. Soon as they scored, they never looked like scoring again. We were the better side in the ET. How on earth did Mancini out think Southgate if that was the case? They both wrote down 5 names on paper, nothing to do with tactics, just a pure lottery.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:37 am

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:30 am
No it wasn't, the technical ability of the Italian midfield had nothing to do with it, neither did this rubbish anti Southgate crap you're posting, the difference was the penalty shootout. England were winning for an hour of the game, Italy HAD to step it up and score, we didn't. Soon as they scored, they never looked like scoring again. We were the better side in the ET. How on earth did Mancini out think Southgate if that was the case? They both wrote down 5 names on paper, nothing to do with tactics, just a pure lottery.

And if two of those names had Shaw and Walker, we’d be discussing a win, in my opinion.

BenWickes · Post by **BenWickes** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:49 am

Dan Evans commented on the British sports psyche during Wimbledon. That being we're quite happy with being valiant losers and he was fed up of it. I don't see a problem with taking their medals off. We lost. Debatable that we deserved to but we still lost.

Tribesmen · Post by **Tribesmen** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:54 am

Had a good chat about this in work yesterday .
So is it that England expects to win and to lose is downgrading ?
I would say if Ireland got to a final ( i know just saying ) the players would show pride that they got this far as we have never been to this stage so losing would be a step further that they have been before .
As for the knock on to this will the under 14 Burnley and Pendle league or whatever it's called , will the kids act like their hero's and take it off their necks ?
Do we do away with losers getting to get medals all together ?