What does Pace do from here?

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 3:55 pm

Hard to imagine what he must be thinking after watching that “performance” where we’re convincingly outplayed in midfield and failed to create any chances.

He must know that this team needs huge strengthening in midfield? Players with some flair and pace to unlock defences. And most importantly players that look able and comfortable on the ball.

But he surely can’t risk buying any with the team in this form? And will any want to come on loan?

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:23 pm

Sanction at least two signings.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:24 pm

Start to rebuild a squad for the Championship. Try and attract a few now with the chance to play in the PL. Possibly cash in on McNeil while we still have some bargaining power for league status.

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:24 pm

He will stick with him. He said as much in the interview

Claretnick · Post by **Claretnick** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:26 pm

Transfer activity and take steps to remove the bad apples in this squad. Either offer new terms to OOC players or pay them up and show them the door. Time to get tough and stop smiling......

Norman · Post by **Norman** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:27 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:24 pm
Start to rebuild a squad for the Championship. Try and attract a few now with the chance to play in the PL. Possibly cash in on McNeil while we still have some bargaining power for league status.

That must be the thinking with the lad from Sunderland.

Bring in players who look like they could easily handle the Championship - but we need to do that this window.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:27 pm

Well he has to back the manager. He needs to ensure that we get some strengthening too. Whether that's a loan or a new perm deal it doesn't matter but we need actually a RM and probably a CM although I think k Stepehens may be able to play more of a role.

We need some support out wider though and ideally an additional goal threat but that's going to be nigh impossible.

He probably also wants to check his pants because Garlick had them down last Jan.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:28 pm

Couple of things to consider, does he trust Dyche to rebuild and get bums on seats ? Or does he decide to pay off Dyche (substantially cheaper than replacing a full squad) and bring in someone with fresh ideas who plays better football to try and get the bums on seats ?

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:29 pm

If also look to cash in on a few this summer, give Dyche a pot of cash to buy 4-5 new players. McNeil can go for me & Pope if it allows us £50m up spend on players

Norman · Post by **Norman** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:30 pm

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:28 pm
Couple of things to consider, does he trust Dyche to rebuild and get bums on seats ? Or does he decide to pay off Dyche (substantially cheaper than replacing a full squad) and bring in someone with fresh ideas who plays better football to try and get the bums on seats ?

I think he's made his opinion pretty clear regarding Dyche over the last few months. He seems to be a massive fan of his.

I really cannot see him sacking Dyche at all - not even close to it. I think Pace knows the side needs better players.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:30 pm

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:28 pm
Couple of things to consider, does he trust Dyche to rebuild and get bums on seats ? Or does he decide to pay off Dyche (substantially cheaper than replacing a full squad) and bring in someone with fresh ideas who plays better football to try and get the bums on seats ?

Bums 9n seats won't see his investment make a profit. Only increased wider revenue will and he needs the Premier League to unlock that

claretgimmer · Post by **claretgimmer** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:31 pm

BabylonClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:27 pm
Well he has to back the manager. He needs to ensure that we get some strengthening too. Whether that's a loan or a new perm deal it doesn't matter but we need actually a RM and probably a CM although I think k Stepehens may be able to play more of a role.

We need some support out wider though and ideally an additional goal threat but that's going to be nigh impossible.

He probably also wants to check his pants because Garlick had them down last Jan.

Followed closely by Dyche in contract negotiations

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:32 pm

Admit that he’s bitten off far more than he can chew and look for someone more suitable to take over. If needs be, hand back over to the previous majority shareholders. He must make sure we still have a sustainable club upon relegation, first and foremost. His “model” is anything but come May.

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:32 pm

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:28 pm
Couple of things to consider, does he trust Dyche to rebuild and get bums on seats ? Or does he decide to pay off Dyche (substantially cheaper than replacing a full squad) and bring in someone with fresh ideas who plays better football to try and get the bums on seats ?

Next season the squad we have will be a year older, I don’t think anybody else could do anything with this side tbh.
I do think Dyche deserves a chance to turn it around when we go down, it’s his first bad season in his time with us really. I’d give him until Christmas and see where we are, providing we are in touching distance of the top 6, let him crack on.

Norman · Post by **Norman** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:36 pm

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:32 pm
Next season the squad we have will be a year older, I don’t think anybody else could do anything with this side tbh.
I do think Dyche deserves a chance to turn it around when we go down, it’s his first bad season in his time with us really. I’d give him until Christmas and see where we are, providing we are in touching distance of the top 6, let him crack on.

100% he deserves the chance to bring us back up. No doubt about it.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:36 pm

Well at least we know which out of OOC players can go, after ample opportunity to impress, so we know which plugs to cap. Immediately two loan players (as we appear broke) so a striker and a CM. The decision is quite simple. If we were playing indifferently the decision would be harder

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:36 pm

Since the takeover it appears we no longer have cash to invest in new players. Dyche stayed that it was likely to be a very quiet January window. Bleak times at Turf Moor

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:37 pm

FCBurnley wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:36 pm
Since the takeover it appears we no longer have cash to invest in new players. Dyche stayed that it was likely to be a very quiet January window. Bleak times at Turf Moor

Collins and Cornet??

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:03 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:37 pm
Collins and Cornet??

Both really excellent players, but not addressing central midfield has rendered those great additions pretty worthless as we're going down. We got our priorities wrong imo.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:06 pm

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:07 pm

He's backed himself into a corner with Dyche's extended contract. No other choice but to back him now really.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:08 pm

Dark Cloud wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:03 pm
Both really excellent players, but not addressing central midfield has rendered those great additions pretty worthless as we're going down. We got our priorities wrong imo.

Agree we are desperate for signings in other areas.
The signings don’t show that we’ve had no money since the takeover though.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:08 pm

With this Board being in melt-down, he needs to stay away from it.

Alan, do not panic. Keep the Faith. We have been here before and come through it.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:08 pm

Ross Barclay would be enough.

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:09 pm

FCBurnley wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:36 pm
Since the takeover it appears we no longer have cash to invest in new players.

What utter nonsense

cockneyclaret · Post by **cockneyclaret** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:10 pm

warksclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:36 pm
Well at least we know which out of OOC players can go,

But with SD I can see offers for players like Bards, Barnes, Cork etc being put on the table..

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:11 pm

We desperately need at least two strong enforcements to our starting line-up. One decent CM playmaker and one natural goalscorer. We also need to ditch our predictable system.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:13 pm

IanMcL wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:08 pm
Ross Barclay would be enough.

Who

Rombald · Post by **Rombald** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:13 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:13 pm
Who

You know who he means.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:15 pm

IanMcL wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:08 pm
Ross Barclay would be enough.

Unfortunately, I don’t think it would. Even if we got Ross Barkley playing to his best (I’m not sure that we would) we’d still be a player or two short.

welsbyswife · Post by **welsbyswife** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:19 pm

IanMcL wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:08 pm
Ross Barclay would be enough.

I wouldn't bank on that.

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:21 pm

As from tomorrow I’d advise him to start his day with a breakfast

jos · Post by **jos** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:18 pm

I worked for a large American company and our cousins across the pond don’t really take losing so well, and I can imagine that private conversations between AP and SD won’t be quite so convivial if expectations and targets are not being met.

It kind of depends if ALK are in for the long haul and are happy to build anew from the Championship/League 1

colne-claret · Post by **colne-claret** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:21 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:13 pm
Who

Hilarious.

Culmclaret · Post by **Culmclaret** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:24 pm

What Dyche has to offer is ageing pro’s playing pretty grim stuff. What Pace seems to want is the development of young talent and fashioning an attractive brand. So long as Dyche delivers results I am sure Pace could live with the difference of vision, but with things as they are it leads one to an obvious conclusion

brexit · Post by **brexit** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:37 pm

Nothing - his plan is working focus on the Women's Team far better return on investment. He has said the Men's team being in the championship is not an issue.

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:40 pm

brexit wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:37 pm
Nothing - his plan is working focus on the Women's Team far better return on investment. He has said the Men's team being in the championship is not an issue.

He may find it is an issue to the fans.

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:18 pm

Culmclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:24 pm
What Dyche has to offer is ageing pro’s playing pretty grim stuff. What Pace seems to want is the development of young talent and fashioning an attractive brand. So long as Dyche delivers results I am sure Pace could live with the difference of vision, but with things as they are it leads one to an obvious conclusion

That has been something I picked up on when Pace was singing Dyches praises. Their ideas are totally opposite. Pace wants to buy younger players with sell on potential and to develop players through the academy. Dyche seems scared of giving youth a decent chance and increasingly relies on older experienced players.

Seems an odd marriage and something will have to give.

Andreshotboots · Post by **Andreshotboots** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:28 pm

To be fair to Mr Pace he's certainly had one hell of a baptism of fire introduction to English football.

He's had the whole Covid situation to deal with, the Manager and half the squad out of contract, an ageing team performing poorly for some time and a club off the pitch still in the 1980s in many areas.

If he manages to guide the club through these tough times, and pulls us positively out the other side no matter what league we are in, fair play to him.

I don't think many more things could have been against him in his early years..

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:30 pm

Pace’s business model very very much needs prem football . If he’s not prepared to invest in at least one quality mid ( loan is fine ) then we have serious issues . A high end mid with Cornet and say Roberts n Collins coming through could yet be vital to galvanise the squad. We’ll know in a week or so wether it’s a fight for survival or a roll over

brexit · Post by **brexit** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:30 pm

dougcollins wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:40 pm
He may find it is an issue to the fans.

I agree but realistically look at it this way we probably lose 3000 season ticket holders if we are relegated. If the Womens Team play at turf moor and have an average crowd of 5000 that would even out.
Womens football is becoming more popular and accessible to a family audience - branded correctly, Pace would have his money spinning project.
As I have said previously the signs are there and it makes commercial sense.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:32 pm

Hopefully an emmergency meeting with SD in the morning on ZOOM or whatever-something needs to happen. Be interesting to see if the two have spoken since 2.30pm today.

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 9:13 pm

warksclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:32 pm
Hopefully an emmergency meeting with SD in the morning on ZOOM or whatever-something needs to happen. Be interesting to see if the two have spoken since 2.30pm today.

That won't be happening. They will both be concentrating on their plans for getting players in. This result (which to be fair was with a team devoid of any attacking flair and again highlighted how dreadful ALL of our midfielders are) won't have changed a thing. Pace is nowhere near close to sacking Dyche. Yes it was dreadful today but it wasn't entirely unexpected with the players available and the form we are in.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:19 pm

Somethingfishy wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 9:13 pm
That won't be happening. They will both be concentrating on their plans for getting players in. This result (which to be fair was with a team devoid of any attacking flair and again highlighted how dreadful ALL of our midfielders are) won't have changed a thing. Pace is nowhere near close to sacking Dyche. Yes it was dreadful today but it wasn't entirely unexpected with the players available and the form we are in.

We have zero pace out wide. Our fastest winger is 35 years old and our only right-footed winger.

Then as you say, not a single one of our midfielders look comfortable on the ball or like they might create a single chance. Never mind score themselves.

I just hope whatever they are working on it involves solutions to these two problems that have existed for 3 years but certainly the last two windows while ALK have been at the helm.

Kazoo · Post by **Kazoo** » Sun Jan 09, 2022 12:35 am

No manager is going to get sacked after a Cup defeat to a team doing well in the league below. The Cup competition is a distant second to what happens in the league.

Dyche is our best hope at getting out of the current situation. There are many things that worry me about the club, but Dyche isn't one of them.

mybloodisclaret · Post by **mybloodisclaret** » Sun Jan 09, 2022 12:57 am

1. Cash in on Tarky whilst there is some value left. His head has gone and looks error prone constantly.
2. Probably consider offers for McNeil if the money is right, he is out of form, but has plateaued over the past 12 months, not a dig at him, he just hasn't hit the heights he was doing, dropping his shoulder, get to the touch line and whipping a good delivery in for Wood to feed off.
3. Address our MF problem, it is the weakest in the league by some distance, and other than Corks ball at OT I struggle to remember a chance they created this season.
4. Stick with Dyche, he knows what he is doing. It is not his fault his squad are aged and many OOC shortly. In any event it would be a waste of money to pot him. He is ambitious and a young-ish manager, he'll want to do the business.

Whilst I understand the predicament we are in, and the need to turn things around, I don't understand the targeting of the manager and Chairman. We got 3 quality players in the summer, Collins will step in for Tarks, Roberts is a very good player and you all know about the other fella.

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Sun Jan 09, 2022 1:13 am

mybloodisclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 09, 2022 12:57 am
1. Cash in on Tarky whilst there is some value left. His head has gone and looks error prone constantly.
2. Probably consider offers for McNeil if the money is right, he is out of form, but has plateaued over the past 12 months, not a dig at him, he just hasn't hit the heights he was doing, dropping his shoulder, get to the touch line and whipping a good delivery in for Wood to feed off.
3. Address our MF problem, it is the weakest in the league by some distance, and other than Corks ball at OT I struggle to remember a chance they created this season.
4. Stick with Dyche, he knows what he is doing. It is not his fault his squad are aged and many OOC shortly. In any event it would be a waste of money to pot him. He is ambitious and a young-ish manager, he'll want to do the business.

Whilst I understand the predicament we are in, and the need to turn things around, I don't understand the targeting of the manager and Chairman. We got 3 quality players in the summer, Collins will step in for Tarks, Roberts is a very good player and you all know about the other fella.

That is about where I am at the moment. We signed 3 good players in the summer and I'll reserve further judgement until after the window. If we fail to sort out our deficiencies I will consider it a sign of either the white flag going up or that there is a certain pigheaded belief in this team by the manager. Make no bones about it...without help this team is heading down.
Tarks..sell..get Collins in (even if we don't sell). Roberts in asap..a new dynamic midfielder..perhaps two and a wide right player. I'm not holding out much hope to be honest.
A massive rebuild is required and a growing part of me is worried about Dyche masterminding it. We will see.