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by jdrobbo » Sat Mar 16, 2024 4:40 pm
Darren Bond (Lancashire) v Brentford
How to Score
A. Decision Making (including use of advantage) - out of 25
B. Consistency - out of 25
C. Fitness and Positioning - of 25
D. Control and Authority - out of 25
Please only Rate the Ref if you attended the game and only do so, after the game has ended. Thank you
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BurnleyFC
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by BurnleyFC » Sat Mar 16, 2024 5:12 pm
Thought he was shite.
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by BurnleyFC » Sat Mar 16, 2024 5:16 pm
The retake of the quick throw in when the Brentford substitute wasn’t even ready really summed him up.
He missed an absolute stonewall penalty and red card too, but was saved by VAR.
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by tally » Sat Mar 16, 2024 5:17 pm
From the TV totally crap justmy opinion
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by DCWat » Sat Mar 16, 2024 5:19 pm
Awful performance - how he couldn’t see that it was a penalty, when it was right in front of him, I haven’t a clue. Useless throughout.
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by jdrobbo » Sat Mar 16, 2024 5:22 pm
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by Vino blanco » Sat Mar 16, 2024 5:25 pm
Garbage.
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by Rowls » Sat Mar 16, 2024 5:26 pm
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Unacceptable.
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by Rowls » Sat Mar 16, 2024 5:27 pm
BurnleyFC wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 5:16 pm
The retake of the quick throw in when the Brentford substitute wasn’t even ready really summed him up.
He missed an absolute stonewall penalty and red card too, but was saved by VAR.
And he missed a second stonewall penalty and red card when Fofana was rugby tackled at the end of the first half.
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by MeeActon1 » Sat Mar 16, 2024 5:27 pm
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by winsomeyen » Sat Mar 16, 2024 5:38 pm
Did his very best to deny us the penalty.
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by Buxtonclaret » Sat Mar 16, 2024 5:39 pm
Difficult to see how he could have missed giving that penalty from open play.
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by buzzclarets79 » Sat Mar 16, 2024 5:42 pm
This ref was absolutely awful. Missed everything and just blew up every time they went down, let them go down far far to easy.
It’s meant to be an uncontested drop ball in the 1st Half.
The pen was a joke, took far to long, no doubt having to be told what to give/do.
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by Aclaret » Sat Mar 16, 2024 5:50 pm
We all have our opinions...but I too thought he was Garbage.
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by DAVETHEVICAR » Sat Mar 16, 2024 5:56 pm
Following Clinton Morrison and Mike Dean on Sky and they had no problem with the Referee
Apparently all communications with VAR were lost at the time of red card and penalty and that was why it took a long time for VAR to check it. ( they check all possible penalties and red card decisions)
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by BurnleyFC » Sat Mar 16, 2024 5:57 pm
DAVETHEVICAR wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 5:56 pm
Following Clinton Morrison and Mike Dean on Sky and they had no problem with the Referee
Apparently all communications with VAR were lost at the time of red card and penalty and that was why it took a long time for VAR to check it. ( they check all possible penalties and red card decisions)
He should’ve spotted it in real time.
He was useless.
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by DAVETHEVICAR » Sat Mar 16, 2024 6:01 pm
He probably did but VAR check everything and VAR was lost for a period
Giving 4x 3 is ridiculous as players get minimum of 3 out of 10
Equals 30 out of 100
Referees get some decisions right in the 100 minutes played as players do
All about opinions of course
UTC
Great win whatever
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by Sproggy » Sat Mar 16, 2024 6:04 pm
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For 25 minutes in the first half he invented an entirely new sport - non contact football.
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by Roosterbooster » Sat Mar 16, 2024 6:07 pm
DAVETHEVICAR wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 6:01 pm
He probably did but VAR check everything and VAR was lost for a period
If he did see it but still didn't give the pen until VAR told him then that's even more damning
I thought he was dreadful
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by bfcjg » Sat Mar 16, 2024 6:14 pm
He was soft on them,got the penalty right eventually but a bit to fussy.
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by Bosscat » Sat Mar 16, 2024 6:28 pm
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by CrosspoolClarets » Sat Mar 16, 2024 6:37 pm
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A shocker. Gave us nothing until the late Toney assaults, missed the pen, fell for their cheating, too slow around the putch, game too quick for him
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by CoolClaret » Sat Mar 16, 2024 6:38 pm
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by IanMcL » Sat Mar 16, 2024 7:26 pm
The worst for some time.
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by sjb » Sat Mar 16, 2024 7:29 pm
10 with 9 of those for disallowing their late 'goal'
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by Stayingup » Sat Mar 16, 2024 7:31 pm
Dreadful. He was terrible. Incinsistent and how he could not award that penalty in real time is astounding.
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by Dark Cloud » Sat Mar 16, 2024 7:41 pm
To not award the penalty and leave it to VAR is utterly bizarre. It's absolutely obvious!! Why would Vitihno go down there when he's clearly going to tap in??? That set the tone for a truly weird performance unfortunately!!!
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by Sozturf7 » Sat Mar 16, 2024 7:43 pm
Where do they come from. Absolutely clueless.
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by ClaretTony » Sat Mar 16, 2024 8:10 pm
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I can understand him not giving the pen initially but how on earth has Sian Massey-Ellis not seen it from her position on the line?
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by beeholeclaret » Sat Mar 16, 2024 8:22 pm
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He was hopeless and a complete wimp. He couldn’t wait to blow for Brentford free kicks and was poor with use of the advantage rule. Fofana turned his man in centre circle and was trying to run clear. His shirt was being pulled and then he was chopped down. The ball fell to a Burnley player under pressure and the ball was lost. He should’ve brought play back for a free kick to Burnley.
Alongside most refs this season we got few of the 50/50 decisions and I feel he was trying to level things up a bit after the penalty against Brentford.
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by Cirrus_Minor » Sat Mar 16, 2024 8:30 pm
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I can't understand how he, or the lineswoman, missed such an obvious penalty. Poor IMHO.
And what was the farcical wait for the monitor to come on all about? I thought at one stage this was not going to work and we would end up without being awarded a clear penalty.
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by Goobs » Sat Mar 16, 2024 9:11 pm
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by MrTopTier » Sat Mar 16, 2024 10:03 pm
He got to the right conclusion in the end on the pen and sending off. Also got the disallowed goal right which was a big decision as well.
I always feel when I watch him that he can be pressured. Brentford played on that today and Toney got away with two of three before his booking at the end. Had he booked him earlier he would have been off.
Not sure either side were that enamoured with him.
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by Claretitus » Sat Mar 16, 2024 10:07 pm
For a so called elite, Prem League ref, to not see it was a clear penalty is mystifying. Inept doesn’t even begin to describe his performance. Shocking, absolutely shocking.
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by MDWat » Sat Mar 16, 2024 10:12 pm
Some incredibly high scores. He was shocking.
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by ClaretLoup » Sat Mar 16, 2024 11:16 pm
aggi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 11:08 pm
Was it my imagination or was there a completely blatant back pass that the keeper picked up towards the end of the second half?
A back pass has to be played by the foot. The keeper can pick it up if it comes off the shin, knee or thigh. In this case it came off the Bees player’s knee.
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by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sat Mar 16, 2024 11:20 pm
ClaretLoup wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 11:16 pm
A back pass has to be played by the foot. The keeper can pick it up if it comes off the shin, knee or thigh. In this case it came off the Bees player’s knee.
The first knee pass back I’ve seen since John Pender at a pre season friendly away at Blackpool when the ruling came in!
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by Commy » Sat Mar 16, 2024 11:20 pm
aggi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 11:08 pm
I think they're often instructed not to flag for that kind of thing now. Rightly or wrongly, if you're going to have the linesman make the decision you may as well wait for var.
Was it my imagination or was there a completely blatant back pass that the keeper picked up towards the end of the second half?
I thought that but, when the supporters went mad, the commentators were saying they didn't know the rule as he was allowed to pick it up. They didn't explain why though.
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by Rileybobs » Sat Mar 16, 2024 11:23 pm
The pass back was with the knee/thigh so not an offence. It was quite brave though as VAR wouldn’t have been able to intervene and I don’t think I would have trusted the on-field refs to call it correctly.
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by ClaretLoup » Sat Mar 16, 2024 11:23 pm
beeholeclaret wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 8:22 pm
Alongside most refs this season we got few of the 50/50 decisions and I feel he was trying to level things up a bit after the penalty against Brentford.
He had a golden opportunity to “level things up” especially Fofana’s rugby tackle in the box. If anything Brentford felt they were hard done by with one or two (correct ) decisions that happened in our box to the extent that Frank had to physically restrain one of his players from attacking the referee after the final whistle.
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by aggi » Sat Mar 16, 2024 11:26 pm
ClaretLoup wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 11:16 pm
A back pass has to be played by the foot. The keeper can pick it up if it comes off the shin, knee or thigh. In this case it came off the Bees player’s knee.
Ah, that will be it then. Thought it came off his foot.
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by helmclaret » Sat Mar 16, 2024 11:31 pm
Ref clearly demonstrated it came off his knee at the time.
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by what_no_pies » Sun Mar 17, 2024 12:39 am
He must have reffed that with his eyes closed. Absolutely woeful.
At one point Burnley were in posession when he stopped the game for a Brentford player with a sore foot. Then gave Brentford the ball to restart without making the 'injured' player leave the pitch.
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by Beagleheart » Sun Mar 17, 2024 9:36 am
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by dougcollins » Sun Mar 17, 2024 10:05 am
aggi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 11:08 pm
I think they're often instructed not to flag for that kind of thing now. Rightly or wrongly, if you're going to have the linesman make the decision you may as well wait for var.
But that's how things get missed - and we've had a few of those.
If only we had officials who were allowed to officiate. Yes, there'll be mistakes from them next season in the Champs, but it'll still be great to have all the decisions made immediately, on-field.
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by Quickenthetempo » Sun Mar 17, 2024 1:23 pm
He's a shocking ref.
The home crowd shouldn't be baying for the refs blood when they are 2nil up. But they were, such was his performance.
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by nil_desperandum » Sun Mar 17, 2024 1:44 pm
aggi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 11:08 pm
I think they're often instructed not to flag for that kind of thing now. Rightly or wrongly, if you're going to have the linesman make the decision you may as well wait for var.
That's my assessment of it too. If a "linesman" were to effectively over-rule the referee (by making an on--field decision), it would still have to be looked at by VAR, and VAR might then reverse the decision which would be a bit embarrassing all round.
Of course, it was quite blatant yesterday, and it's quite possible that she advised the referee that it was (from her position) a penalty and red card,but I wouldn't expect to see a flag for that nowadays. (Rightly or wrongly)
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by Wokingclaret » Sun Mar 17, 2024 3:29 pm
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How it wasn't a pen in the first place is beyond me.
He decided to completely ignore the dugout fiasco, yet cards flying all over the place