Fat Frank or Sleepy Scott?

[Goobs]

Just seen that Lampard has taken Cov into the playoff places after taking over when they were in or around the relegation zone.

So I wondered considering the meltdowns that some had on here when he was linked to us pre-season and the complaints some have about "Parkerball"

So all things considered now who would you prefer?

[ksrclaret]

Probably a case of better the devil you know for the rest of the season. We've still got a decent chance of promotion.

That said though, I certainly don't want to witness another season like this one. I shudder to think of the football we'll serve up next season if we're still in the Champ with Parker and with inferior players after the inevitable sales.

Lampard has made a great start to his job with Coventry.

[kentonclaret]

I would much rather hear from those posters who were so keen to bring in RVN as manager over Scott.
I have always been a supporter of Scott but would not have been anti Lampard.

[Goobs]

I would much rather hear from those posters who were so keen to bring in RVN as manager over Scott.
I have always been a supporter of Scott but would not have been anti Lampard.

I was probably in the RVN would be exciting category, but he certainly hasn't delivered at Leicester (tough gig to be fair).

I was willing to accept Lampard and though we may see some exciting youngsters and football as a result (ala Kompany)

I really did not want Parker and have been bored rigid in some games this season but I like what he is doing for the most part and will continue to give him support.

[Quicknick]

I wanted Parker over Lampard or RVN.

[colne-claret]

Do we think Parker is still here next season if we don’t go up?

[Quickenthetempo]

You can't compare managers plying their trade in the Premier league with a relegation favourite to being in the championship with promotion favourite.

Lampard has done very well, I still wouldn't want him here as I expect us to be in the prem every other year.

I would prefer Danny Rohl as I like his style. He would have to spend big on defence and keeper to play his way in the prem though.

[Stonehouse]

Surely SP would be the best guy to get us up if we got a couple of good target men in.

[Holtyclaret]

Do we think Parker is still here next season if we don’t go up?

100%

[bumba]

Do we think Parker is still here next season if we don’t go up?

We couldn't afford to sack him if we didn't go up

[beddie]

Parker and we need to keep him.

[blatherwickstattoos]

Do we think Parker is still here next season if we don’t go up?

Don’t think many would lose sleep if this was the case

[boatshed bill]

This is unnecessary, and horrible.

[Goobs]

This is unnecessary, and horrible.

What is?

A simple comparison about how managers we were linked with / appointed in the summer are doing?

I thought the point of this board was to discuss things football and Burnley related?

If it is about the title then I merely used a common nickname given to one and continued the alliteration with the other.

[boatshed bill]

What is?

A simple comparison about how managers we were linked with / appointed in the summer are doing?

I thought the point of this board was to discuss things football and Burnley related?

If it is about the title then I merely used a common nickname given to one and continued the alliteration with the other.

OK, it's fine. But not in my opinion. Actually it's the timing that stinks, not the comparison itself.

[Wokingclaret]

The title of the thread is not very nice and totally inaccurate

[Goobs]

OK, it's fine. But not in my opinion. Actually it's the timing that stinks, not the comparison itself.

The timing was because (as I said) I heard on the radio Lampard had got Cov into the playoff spots and they seem to be playing well by all accounts.

It simply made me wonder if any of those who were desperate for us not to get him in the summer still thought he was completely useless and if those that also now dislike Parker's football would prefer the man we have over the man they were desperate to avoid.

It is in no way a dig at Parker and as I said before he has my full support and I personally think we have looked much better recently (Saturday apart)

[NL Claret]

Win a game 4-0 and the message board traffic slows down, lose a cup game with the 2nd string and this sort of ******** thread rears its head.

[Goobs]

The title of the thread is not very nice and totally inaccurate

Fine. It was not intended as an insult. As I mentioned earlier it was simply a continuation of the alliteration using a jokey name for Parker that describes how some see his brand of football.

[Goobs]

Win a game 4-0 and the message board traffic slows down, lose a cup game with the 2nd string and this sort of ******** thread rears its head.

Haha really don't get why so many are so offended

Was simply a discussion around managers.

At no point did I have a go at Parker, in fact if you read what I said he has my backing

Wow.

Mods feel free to delete if this is so outrageously offensive and please accept my sincerest apologies!

[Wile E Coyote]

fat frank ? one of the best footballers in recent decades,

crass remark, but typical of the new breed of dullard.

[JohnMac]

I can't believe how Woke some of our fans are!

[HurstGrangeClaret]

Not having a pop at you Goobs but looks like some people have taken offence to this after what happened on Saturday.
And maybe you may not even have posted about it if we’d have won on Saturday!

[Goobs]

fat frank ? one of the best footballers in recent decades,

crass remark, but typical of the new breed of dullard.

Haha give over. It is a nickname he was given and I think more ironically than anyone actually believing he is or was unfit or overweight.

Yes an absolute legend (a term used far too easily sometimes).

Always enjoyed watching him play and as I said earlier the title was used more as a dig at those who were uncomplimentary about him in the summer.

But not to worry fella you stick to name calling and getting easily offended if it warms your night

[Goobs]

And maybe you may not even have posted about it if we’d have won on Saturday!

Literally explained this 3 or 4 times now I think. I posted it as they were talking about him on Talksport earlier.....

Just wondered if those that were so against him in the summer and called him a failure still felt that way. Or if they now wondered how we would be under him.

Way too much over thinking going on from some folk.

Not to worry though I won't try and start a discussion again in a hurry.

[HurstGrangeClaret]

Literally explained this 3 or 4 times now I think. I posted it as they were talking about him on Talksport earlier.....

Just wondered if those that were so against him in the summer and called him a failure still felt that way. Or if they now wondered how we would be under him.

Way too much over thinking going on from some folk.

Not to worry though I won't try and start a discussion again in a hurry.

There’s nothing wrong with starting discussions but you can’t be surprised that some people have taken exception to your initial post.
When have we ever all agreed with anything?

[Guller Bull]

Neither nor for me. Something else.

[Holtyclaret]

We couldn't afford to sack him if we didn't go up

We really could.

[THEWELLERNUT70]

What is?

A simple comparison about how managers we were linked with / appointed in the summer are doing?

I thought the point of this board was to discuss things football and Burnley related?

If it is about the title then I merely used a common nickname given to one and continued the alliteration with the other.

It's a totally unnecessary and childish title for me and if you can't see that more the fool you

However fwiw I've very little issue with Parker

[dandeclaret]

Do we think Parker is still here next season if we don’t go up?

Burnley, traditionally, is not a club that sacks managers.

[pureclaret]

I can't believe how Woke some of our fans are!

I know it's brilliant to give a damaging other people. Proud to care !!!!

[NL Claret]

Haha really don't get why so many are so offended

Was simply a discussion around managers.

At no point did I have a go at Parker, in fact if you read what I said he has my backing

Wow.

Mods feel free to delete if this is so outrageously offensive and please accept my sincerest apologies!

Offended? Not in the slightest. Outrageously offensive, in your dreams.

I'll ask the question why is it necessary to have a discussion around managers? 3rd in the league with every chance of going up. You say that you have his backing then create a post that undermines him.

[Clovius Boofus]

What a disgusting thread-header. I mean, what have you got against sleepy people?

[burnley007]

No Comment.

[ChorltonCharlie]

I've been impressed in many ways by Parker. But the one thing we can't escape is his attempt to play a very modern and dull style of football. The irony being that like all styles it is becoming old hat as innovative coaches find better ways to play and even Man City have been found out this season. Our extraordinary defensive record (another big plus for Parker) has kept the wolf from the door.

I didn't want Lampard, though I do feel his record isn't as bad as made out. He's an ok manager based on past experience, but I don't think is a bad one. His current run at Coventry is fantastic, but it's not unusual for a club to have a purple patch and then drop back to mediocrity. It will be interesting to see how they do over the rest of the season. There was a big article in The Athletic on Lampard in the last couple of days. He spoke very well about learning in management and using different approaches depending on player availability. He did come across well and like someone who truly cares about what he's doing. Will be interesting to see if his time away from the game has helped him polish himself into a good manager.

[Goobs]

Offended? Not in the slightest. Outrageously offensive, in your dreams.

I'll ask the question why is it necessary to have a discussion around managers? 3rd in the league with every chance of going up. You say that you have his backing then create a post that undermines him.

What part of They were discussing Lampard on radio and therefore I wondered what people's thoughts were is so hard to understand??

Undermine him? Give over.

It is simply a general discussion as to whether people's thoughts on Lampard have changed?

[warksclaret]

Sorry I am at an age where I suspect dementia may have started to set in. Can someone remind me how long Frank has managed football clubs and what he has won. Sorry to be such a pain

[jrgbfc]

Don`t see anything wrong with having the debate personally. I think its highly likely we`d have seen more goals and more entertaining football, would we have as many points? I`m not so sure.

[Goobs]

Don`t see anything wrong with having the debate personally. I think its highly likely we`d have seen more goals and more entertaining football, would we have as many points? I`m not so sure.

I think I agree with this. Would we have signed a forward? Who knows!

It could be that we would have been more exposed defensively and still not able to score enough.

Likelihood is we wouldn't have Edwards either (still early days but he looks very good).

[Goobs]

Sorry I am at an age where I suspect dementia may have started to set in. Can someone remind me how long Frank has managed football clubs and what he has won. Sorry to be such a pain

About 7 years and nothing as far as I know but you knew that yourself.

Is his football more exciting? Possibly on what we saw earlier in the season.

Would this be a good trade off? Probably not IMO.

Care to offer any thoughts yourself?

[Poulton-le-Claret]

Don`t see anything wrong with having the debate personally. I think its highly likely we`d have seen more goals and more entertaining football, would we have as many points? I`m not so sure.

Yes I agree with all this, especially having no issues with having the debate.

If we are also saying who would you rather have trying to hunt down the top 2 from our current position, I would personally rather have Parker in charge.

[bobinho]

When looking at these two when we were in the hunt for a new manager, based on their previous experiences and successes as a manager, a blind man on a galloping horse could see there really was only one choice.

I’m sticking with that.

Nowt against Frank, but I’m happy with the choice we made, and I wouldnt swap.

[warksclaret]

About 7 years and nothing as far as I know but you knew that yourself.

Is his football more exciting? Possibly on what we saw earlier in the season.

Would this be a good trade off? Probably not IMO.

Care to offer any thoughts yourself?

I have to take you back to the club returning from its Summer camp. The recently apponted Parkers first quality time with his squad. He comes back not long before the season started and there is a mass exodus of players including Amdouini, O Shea, Berge, Vitinho, Odobert, Zarourry, and many more. We hear then that Ramsey, Beyer,Redmond and several others have long term injuries. I really feared for the worst, and for me looking at Luton right know offers a sense of reality. That could easily be us right now, after all they got more points than us in the PL. Instead we are in the top three, having broken every record going with our defence, lost just two league games and with about 10 games to go have a 50:50 chance of auto. Go back to the time of our mass exodus and many fans would have snapped the clubs hand off to be in our position. I agree the football is very frustrating at times but we dont have the individual talent Leeds, Sheff Utd, and to some degree Sunderland have-so we have had to do it in a different way.

[pureclaret]

I know it's brilliant to give a damaging other people. Proud to care !!!!

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Re Woke
I know its brilliant to give a dam about other people, Proud to care about others !!!

[Goobs]

I have to take you back to the club returning from its Summer camp. The recently apponted Parkers first quality time with his squad. He comes back not long before the season started and there is a mass exodus of players including Amdouini, O Shea, Berge, Vitinho, Odobert, Zarourry, and many more. We hear then that Ramsey, Beyer,Redmond and several others have long term injuries. I really feared for the worst, and for me looking at Luton right know offers a sense of reality. That could easily be us right now, after all they got more points than us in the PL. Instead we are in the top three, having broken every record going with our defence, lost just two league games and with about 10 games to go have a 50:50 chance of auto. Go back to the time of our mass exodus and many fans would have snapped the clubs hand off to be in our position. I agree the football is very frustrating at times but we dont have the individual talent Leeds, Sheff Utd, and to some degree Sunderland have-so we have had to do it in a different way.

Some good points. As I said, I have no issue with Parker.

Yeah I thought we were doomed after that exodus so he has certainly way over achieved my expectations from there.

We do however have some very good players and are certainly not vastly inferior to the top 2. Fwiw I think we have a better squad than Sunderland.

I'm still confident that he can get us in the top 2 from here just need a bit of luck with injuries.

[NL Claret]

What part of They were discussing Lampard on radio and therefore I wondered what people's thoughts were is so hard to understand??

Undermine him? Give over.

It is simply a general discussion as to whether people's thoughts on Lampard have changed?

In your original post there is no mention of they were discussing Lampard on the radio.

In response to your last question in the post I'm replying to, I had little if any thoughts on Lampard in the summer and that hasn't changed. Don't understand why there is the need for a discussion about other managers.

[agreenwood]

Failed Frank and Successful Scott might be another way to interpret their Championship track records.

[Quicknick]

Calling him sleepy is plain ignorance.

[BleedingClaret]

Stan

[Big Vinny K]

If I’m going tbh I wanted RVN before Lampard or SP. Majority of people I knew felt the same way.

I think out of the 3 manages we ended up with the best option who could cope best with what happened to our club in the summer. SP seems like the most grounded of the 3 and someone who has had to work hard throughout his career to get where he did. He’s level headed (maybe too pragmatic) but genuinely seems to care about the players and the club and doing the best job he can.

Lampard seems to have got the best out of Coventry and got them on a great run. They had a decent squad though and probably where they should be in the league now after Lampard has got them going. Not sure what happened previously to Simms under the old manager as he’s been their main player and he was in and out of the team. Since Lampard came in he’s got him back in and scoring regularly and that looks like being one of the big difference.

RVN is very much an unknown and unproven quantity. He’s done virtually nothing at Leicester and to me his tactics look pretty clueless. He’s got a number of experienced EPL players at his disposal and players on big wages who they paid a chunk of change for and they are getting walloped most weeks. Think we dodged a bullet here.