Burnley v Lazio in Virtual Reality

Rosehill Claret · Post by **Rosehill Claret** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 10:42 am

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... ality.html

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 10:44 am

Be able to see the 10 Euro cent coins coming towards you!

BigGaz · Post by **BigGaz** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 10:46 am

Beat me to it, interactive experience as you dip, duck, dodge, dive and dodge again the ripped out seats hurled over the barriers

ollieclarets8 · Post by **ollieclarets8** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 10:47 am

Who here owns a VR headset? Is it Meta and Oculus as the best/main 2? Definitely interested in getting one of these at some point.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 10:49 am

Just wondered what is the point of this? Just show the actual game!

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 10:54 am

ollieclarets8 wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 30, 2025 10:47 am
Who here owns a VR headset? Is it Meta and Oculus as the best/main 2? Definitely interested in getting one of these at some point.

Honestly i wouldn't bother. Had one a while and it sits on the shelf

Billybong · Post by **Billybong** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 11:03 am

Leisure wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 30, 2025 10:49 am
Just wondered what is the point of this? Just show the actual game!

I've only tried one once, I think it was a rollercoaster, I'm not sure how it would work with a live game, but it's not aimed at us oldies

Stalbansclaret · Post by **Stalbansclaret** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 11:09 am

I’m only watching the Virtual Reality games this season. Our march to Champions League qualification spearheaded by 30-goal Lyle Foster.

Ric_C · Post by **Ric_C** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 11:51 am

ollieclarets8 wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 30, 2025 10:47 am
Who here owns a VR headset? Is it Meta and Oculus as the best/main 2? Definitely interested in getting one of these at some point.

The Meta Quest 3 is probably the best out there in the market at the moment.

I could see the reasoning of watching highlights in VR maybe, but the live game? Nah. Especially when it is just 3d representations of the players, not sure what the point is really.

I saw a 5 minute MLS preview on the apple vision pro recently and that is the future of broadcasting (if you want to experience being there), but the streaming resources needed for live spatial video currently aren't affordable yet, maybe in 5 years.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 12:20 pm

Ric_C wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 30, 2025 11:51 am
The Meta Quest 3 is probably the best out there in the market at the moment.

I could see the reasoning of watching highlights in VR maybe, but the live game? Nah. Especially when it is just 3d representations of the players, not sure what the point is really.

I saw a 5 minute MLS preview on the apple vision pro recently and that is the future of broadcasting (if you want to experience being there), but the streaming resources needed for live spatial video currently aren't affordable yet, maybe in 5 years.

5 years? So that will be 2 in reality!

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 12:23 pm

This will blow the minds of some.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 12:56 pm

Ric_C wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 30, 2025 11:51 am
The Meta Quest 3 is probably the best out there in the market at the moment.

I could see the reasoning of watching highlights in VR maybe, but the live game? Nah. Especially when it is just 3d representations of the players, not sure what the point is really.

I saw a 5 minute MLS preview on the apple vision pro recently and that is the future of broadcasting (if you want to experience being there), but the streaming resources needed for live spatial video currently aren't affordable yet, maybe in 5 years.

It’ll be live 3d footage of the game not 3d representations of the players I would imagine. It’s an interesting idea, although not one I have the technology to engage with.

Corky · Post by **Corky** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 1:35 pm

Apparently their aim is to be at the forefront of fan engagement. No doubt some in the CFS may have a view on that.

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 1:43 pm

I have very mixed feelings about this.

I understand the attraction for fans that live far away, but I feel it could be another nail in the coffin for football, and entice people away from attending on match day which is the opposite of what we should be trying to achieve.

Living in Kent, I don’t get to many games, but I don’t think I would use this out of principle. It’s a slippery slope that could have dire consequences.

Ric_C · Post by **Ric_C** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 1:52 pm

martin_p wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 30, 2025 12:56 pm
It’ll be live 3d footage of the game not 3d representations of the players I would imagine. It’s an interesting idea, although not one I have the technology to engage with.

If you look at the trailer on the Burnley express article, it shows 3d models. Maybe linked to trackers on the players. Can't see the players wearing 360 cams, the referee maybe?

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 2:13 pm

Ric_C wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 30, 2025 1:52 pm
If you look at the trailer on the Burnley express article, it shows 3d models. Maybe linked to trackers on the players. Can't see the players wearing 360 cams, the referee maybe?

I’d ignore the trailer, this is about you having a virtual seat in the crowd and watching the match as a spectator.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 2:16 pm

TsarBomba wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 30, 2025 1:43 pm
I have very mixed feelings about this.

I understand the attraction for fans that live far away, but I feel it could be another nail in the coffin for football, and entice people away from attending on match day which is the opposite of what we should be trying to achieve.

Living in Kent, I don’t get to many games, but I don’t think I would use this out of principle. It’s a slippery slope that could have dire consequences.

I wouldn’t worry too much, it’ll be a pale imitation of actually being there. Plus, once the novelty has worn off, those not at the match will probably prefer the multiple angles and replays that normal tv coverage offers.

Awayfromburnley · Post by **Awayfromburnley** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 2:19 pm

Sky did a version of this a few years ago.

I was cynical.

I own an Occulus 2 and I watched a game on it.

It was surprisingly very good.

Fixed view point but it felt more real than 2D viewing of a match as you could move your head and you see the whole pitch at once, like being at a game.

At first it blew my mind and took my breath away a bit.

If it's as good then I like it. That said Sky don't do it anymore.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 2:28 pm

I had a tv with 3D capabilities not too long ago and remember watching my first match in 3D on Sky Sports. It totally revolutionised how we consume live sports, and televised football has never been the same since.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 2:38 pm

No surprise that our club is involved in this given that ALK are (very) minor shareholders in the operator

It will also be a trial for the Premier League, who are also shareholders

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 2:40 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 30, 2025 2:28 pm
I had a tv with 3D capabilities not too long ago and remember watching my first match in 3D on Sky Sports. It totally revolutionised how we consume live sports, and televised football has never been the same since.

I remember my first match in 3D. 16th August 1975, Burnley v Arsenal at the Turf

I had a 3D tv too and quite liked watching matches in 3D. Problem was I only had one pair of 3D glasses so if anyone else wanted to watch it was back to normal tv. The glasses cost about £30 so it ramped up the cost of a 3D tv set. 3D sort of works on the big screen in a cinema, but on a small screen in the corner of your room it’s a bit rubbish.

Bow · Post by **Bow** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 2:44 pm

ollieclarets8 wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 30, 2025 10:47 am
Who here owns a VR headset? Is it Meta and Oculus as the best/main 2? Definitely interested in getting one of these at some point.

The kids have one, they’re rubbish. The technology is miles away from being any good imo

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 2:46 pm

martin_p wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 30, 2025 2:40 pm

I remember my first match in 3D. 16th August 1975, Burnley v Arsenal at the Turf

I had a 3D tv too and quite liked watching matches in 3D. Problem was I only had one pair of 3D glasses so if anyone else wanted to watch it was back to normal tv. The glasses cost about £30 so it ramped up the cost of a 3D tv set. 3D sort of works on the big screen in a cinema, but on a small screen in the corner of your room it’s a bit rubbish.

It was a decent novelty - to be honest I didn’t get the tv because it was 3D, it just seemed to be a standard feature for a period. Watched some movies too which were decent, but yeah the glasses were a pain and also gave me headaches.

Awayfromburnley · Post by **Awayfromburnley** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 2:48 pm

Don't muddle 3D tv and virtual reality. Literally different realms.

The latter is brilliant.

ollieclarets8 · Post by **ollieclarets8** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 2:55 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 30, 2025 2:28 pm
I had a tv with 3D capabilities not too long ago and remember watching my first match in 3D on Sky Sports. It totally revolutionised how we consume live sports, and televised football has never been the same since.

The TV I have now was bought I think around 2013. Still a decent TV with 3D tech but the novelty wore off pretty quickly, to the point I've not used the 3D glasses / technology on it since 2014. In fact I think I've even lost the glasses.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 3:19 pm

martin_p wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 30, 2025 2:13 pm
I’d ignore the trailer, this is about you having a virtual seat in the crowd and watching the match as a spectator.

Hope it is a good seat!

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 3:22 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 30, 2025 2:28 pm
I had a tv with 3D capabilities not too long ago and remember watching my first match in 3D on Sky Sports. It totally revolutionised how we consume live sports, and televised football has never been the same since.

I had a 3d tv and found that the coverage was too low to get a good look at what was going on. Throw it's were good. Many a ball picked up from my floor!

Spike · Post by **Spike** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 3:29 pm

Preston v Liverpool was on ITV and at 3pm .
We get this !

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 4:00 pm

Awayfromburnley wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 30, 2025 2:48 pm
Don't muddle 3D tv and virtual reality. Literally different realms.

The latter is brilliant.

The latter can be brilliant, but I’m not entirely convinced watching sport, where you’re effectively stuck to your seat and the only movement you get is too pivot around a single point, is a best use of it. I’ve seen some great VR video where you’re on the move and that really does give a great impression of being there. Some VR games are fantastic too (but some are rubbish).

Orangebernard · Post by **Orangebernard** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 4:08 pm

Whilst i can't see VR matches being of use to me unless our ownership decide to relocate my North Stand Upper seat to the US, does anyone know if this maybe a way around the Saturday 3pm blackout on league games. Does having a VR match being shown live constitutue a broadcast?

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 4:10 pm

Orangebernard wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 30, 2025 4:08 pm
Whilst i can't see VR matches being of use to me unless our ownership decide to relocate my North Stand Upper seat to the US, does anyone know if this maybe a way around the Saturday 3pm blackout on league games. Does having a VR match being shown live constitutue a broadcast?

I can’t imagine that it wouldn’t, it’s still live video even if you need a particular app and hardware to view it.

JohnDearyMe · Post by **JohnDearyMe** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 4:55 pm

ALK may get the plaudits for this innovation but Clive Holt first suggested this at Burnley in the late 80s. Yes, the technology didn't exist but the vision was there nonetheless.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 10:38 pm

Cheap new VR set - just £59

https://bestbuyersguide.org/?wtrd_offer ... 188b01c744

Guppyspotter · Post by **Guppyspotter** » Thu Jul 31, 2025 6:31 am

I'm not going to knock it as I have zero idea how this works or what you get but if I imagine being able to watch the game from my chosen virtual seat in virtual 3d with vr so good that I cannot even tell it's not real then I can 'go' to a match without travelling 8 hours, being unable to use my favoured seat because I'm a walk on who cannot buy a ticket as demand outstrips supply then I'm all in. Mix it up with being able to turn my head in any direction and see the person in the stadium next to me etc, get up and change seats at any time and see a different angle then I think it would be an incredible concept. Of course I don't think that is what it would be but there will come a day. Once upon a time people would have laughed at motorised vehicles travelling 2 miles an hour behind a man with a flag and said it will never catch on.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Jul 31, 2025 9:45 am

JohnDearyMe wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 30, 2025 4:55 pm
ALK may get the plaudits for this innovation but Clive Holt first suggested this at Burnley in the late 80s. Yes, the technology didn't exist but the vision was there nonetheless.

Funnily enough, when I ran a customer service centre, for BT, one of my team managers and I brainstormed our, 'office of the future' in the 90s and working from home but being tuned into your work colleagues (of your choice) was part of the set up, as well as at the desk, online training, which was ot even thought of, at the time.

For rest time, headset with music and video availability (sounds like VR) and an exercise area/ mini gym. We also set up how the office desk set up would look, which also introduced hot desking. ack then, even headsets for online order entry, was not done, in BT.

By chance I then had a visit from a professor and Phd student asking my thoughts on the office of rhe future! I called the team manager into my office and we repeated our thoughts. It all got written up and produced as part of a thesis. Even published!

I did achieve the desk set up, headsets, online order entry and hot desking. Rest area too but without the personal headsets and the gym area didn't happen. Working from home, followed later.

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Thu Jul 31, 2025 10:02 am

IanMcL wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 30, 2025 10:38 pm
Cheap new VR set - just £59

https://bestbuyersguide.org/?wtrd_offer ... 188b01c744

Not sure that would be meta store compatible.....

Claretfanatic1982 · Post by **Claretfanatic1982** » Thu Jul 31, 2025 10:24 am

Bow wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 30, 2025 2:44 pm
The kids have one, they’re rubbish. The technology is miles away from being any good imo

It can't be the meta quest 3 if you are saying they are rubbish and the tech is miles away from being any good.

My daughter has one . They are a quality piece of equipment.
I've had a go on it to play my Xbox games.
https://www.meta.com/gb/quest/

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Jul 31, 2025 10:53 am

ŽižkovClaret wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 31, 2025 10:02 am
Not sure that would be meta store compatible.....

I have no knowledge of VR, so searched for the best ones and that was top. After that, it's a mystery!

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Thu Jul 31, 2025 11:03 am

Think google result manipulation might be doing you dirty there.....

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Thu Jul 31, 2025 11:03 am

Agree with others on here that this will likely end up like 3D TV, but pleased our club are trialling it. Good PR and shows we’re innovating which is no bad thing.

Don’t think it will deter people who already go to games from watching live but I expect it will give those who usually watch on TV a different viewing option.

Shappie · Post by **Shappie** » Thu Jul 31, 2025 10:19 pm

I’d be grateful if someone can outline the steps and cost involved for watching the game on Saturday

I’m assuming 1) buy a headset, but which one and how much are they?

After that ? Is it an app? Website? Free? Subscription? One off fee?

Thanks in advance !

Hedontplayforyou · Post by **Hedontplayforyou** » Thu Jul 31, 2025 10:45 pm

What’s the point in this?

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Fri Aug 01, 2025 8:21 am

Shappie wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 31, 2025 10:19 pm
I’d be grateful if someone can outline the steps and cost involved for watching the game on Saturday

I’m assuming 1) buy a headset, but which one and how much are they?

After that ? Is it an app? Website? Free? Subscription? One off fee?

Thanks in advance !

Given this is a test that may or may not result in something at sometime in the future if you haven’t got, or we’re planning to buy a headset then this is not for you. The headsets are £400 - £500. I suspect everything beyond that (the Premier League player app and the match itself) will be free given it’s essentially a developing service.

Bow · Post by **Bow** » Fri Aug 01, 2025 1:08 pm

Claretfanatic1982 wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 31, 2025 10:24 am
It can't be the meta quest 3 if you are saying they are rubbish and the tech is miles away from being any good.

My daughter has one . They are a quality piece of equipment.
I've had a go on it to play my Xbox games.
https://www.meta.com/gb/quest/

I think the problem is they are a novelty that soon wears off. Even the best examples like Resident Evil 7 was better being played on a tv. No one is really making any decent games for them- the developers seem to have given up.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Fri Aug 01, 2025 1:12 pm

Shappie wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 31, 2025 10:19 pm
I’d be grateful if someone can outline the steps and cost involved for watching the game on Saturday

I’m assuming 1) buy a headset, but which one and how much are they?

After that ? Is it an app? Website? Free? Subscription? One off fee?

Thanks in advance !

Watch it live for £15 at the Turf.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Fri Aug 01, 2025 2:52 pm

Leisure wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 01, 2025 1:12 pm
Watch it live for £15 at the Turf.

Blimey - that's like...real life!

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Fri Aug 01, 2025 2:53 pm

In VR can we imagine ourselves sunning in Italy, watching the match at Turf Moor?

ollieclarets8 · Post by **ollieclarets8** » Fri Aug 01, 2025 3:01 pm

Bow wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 01, 2025 1:08 pm
I think the problem is they are a novelty that soon wears off. Even the best examples like Resident Evil 7 was better being played on a tv. No one is really making any decent games for them- the developers seem to have given up.

From what I can understand, it extends far beyond just gaming. I quite like the look of virtual tours for instance. Being able to walk around a medieval castle or other historic site without actually being there.

I can see a time where people won't physically go abroad to visit things, they'll experience it via VR instead.

ClaretOfMancunia · Post by **ClaretOfMancunia** » Fri Aug 01, 2025 3:11 pm

Is it a love video stream of the match, as if you were sat in a seat, or 3D generated models of the players? The trailer makes it look like the latter. Can't see they'd have gone to the effort of creating 3D models just for the trailer either.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Fri Aug 01, 2025 5:18 pm

ollieclarets8 wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 01, 2025 3:01 pm
From what I can understand, it extends far beyond just gaming. I quite like the look of virtual tours for instance. Being able to walk around a medieval castle or other historic site without actually being there.

I can see a time where people won't physically go abroad to visit things, they'll experience it via VR instead.

But how do you taste the local food and wine!