RATE THE REF - Mike Dean v Leicester City

[jdrobbo]

Mike Dean (Wirral) v Leicester City

How to Score
A. Decision Making (including use of advantage) - out of 25
B. Consistency - out of 25
C. Fitness and Positioning - of 25
D. Control and Authority - out of 25

[jdrobbo]

A 14
B 14
C 18
D 14

[Shore claret]

**** poor

[MT03ALG]

13
15
20
15

[MDWat]

A - 5
B - 5
C - 15
D - 5

Absolutely awful.

[BabylonClaret]

5
5
14
4

Dreadful. No surprise he missed the handball - he missed every other key moment. A complete clown

[ALP]

A 12
B 14
C 16
D 15

Mike Dean needs to get a grip, he was very poor tonight and the linesmen didn't help too much either; Robert Huth was nothing short of a thug out there, but nothing given against him all night. The real decision that they got right was allowing Sam's goal, and the linesman had a wry smile when I told him it was the only correct decision all evening

[RalphCoatesComb]

A 8
B 12
C 17
D 15

Time to find a new job Mr Dean

[ClaretTony]

A. 15
B. 14
C. 22
D. 12

[grapidianclaret]

I think the real Jasper Carrott would have given that penalty.

[grapidianclaret]

How much does the ability to levitate increase the value of a central defender?
Does anybody know?

[DAVETHEVICAR]

A 14
B 14
C 21
D 17

[tybfc]

7
7
15
7

Diabolical.

[Rowls]

Cannot rate him from a poor stream but the penalty against Michael Keane was in the very bad category.

I think he also bottled at least a further penalty against Andre Gray (maybe two) and also could have booked Jamie Vardy for kicking our goalkeeper and diving.

On the other hand, as Sean Dyche says, we have to thank him for not being simple enough to award a penalty. However, that mirrored praise says more about Jamie Vardy than it does Mike Dean.

[KefkaClaret]

I know he made some poor decision but was anyone else glad that he just let the game flowed, no free-kicks for tiny shoves and stuff and really made the game feel end to end. I think it helped it become the most exciting game of the season for me.

[nil_desperandum]

I know he made some poor decision but was anyone else glad that he just let the game flowed, no free-kicks for tiny shoves and stuff and really made the game feel end to end. I think it helped it become the most exciting game of the season for me.

I made the same point on the other Mike Dean thread, and was reprimanded because apparently that means he's not "sticking to the rules". I totally agree that he got 2 or 3 big decisions wrong, (so has to be marked down), but his booking of Lowton was totally correct, and I don't really see how he could have been sure that it was deliberate handball by Vokes in real-time and from where he was positioned - which was basically the correct position for the corner. If he didn't have a clear view then he couldn't give handball.
If he had blown up every time Morgan and Barnes tussled with each other it would have been a very stop / start affair.
So often we see referees constantly blowing up in those grappling/ arm-swinging aerial duels, and you're never entirely sure which way he will give the freekick- it's almost a lottery. As it happens I think Morgan and Huth got away with a bit too much, but Barnes is no Saint, and it was good to watch a tough physical game in which only 12 free-kicks were awarded and only 4 against Burnley. On another day, with another referee, Barton along with Boyd, Hendrik and others would have been unnecessarily penalised on several occasions, just for getting stuck in when it was a 50 / 50 ball.
He also kept a pretty keen eye on Vardy to the extent that Vardy didn't seem to cheat to the extent he normally does, and when he did, Dean was having none of it. (Probably should have booked him though for that incident).
Dean made too many errors last night but the way he controlled the game and allowed it flow without losing control and with just the one booking was a welcome change in many respects form the whistle happy antics of some.
So whilst he definitely made a few poor decisions I thought his overall management of the game was good and contributed to an enjoyable evening.

[IanMcL]

Saw nothing at all the entire match.

[Beagleheart]

A. 15
B. 14
C. 22
D. 15

[claretspice]

Don't normally rate, so I won't. But:

1. I thought Dean's general game management was fine. He decided early that Morgan and Barnes (and to a less extent Vardy and our centre backs) could handle themselves and that both strikers were doing their best to "win" free kicks, so he decided to let it all go. He was consistent, and I think he got every free kick Barnes appealed for bar one in the second half (hands round his neck from the defender to prevent him getting to the loose ball) spot on, and I think similarly he got Barnes' penalty shout straight after Keane's right. Likewise, he ignored every attempt from Vardy to win everything (including the second half penalty appeal, which I think was consistent with his approach to those incidents throughout the game - Heaton was clumsy, but Vardy looked for contact).

2. However, he certainly got a number of big decisions wrong. Our goal appears to have a huge suspicion of hand ball about it. Keane obviously should have won a penalty, and that was an astonishing failure to distinguish between the sorts of incidents he was letting go around the park, and a blatant push in the box. I thought he also could have given a penalty in the second half when Mee was dragged down from a corner, and should have given a penalty and a yellow card when Gray got through and ended up slide-tackling Schmeical in the second half when Huth dragged him back.

3. That ought to have been a second yellow, because Huth should have been booked previously when Dean (correctly) played advantage following a pull outside the box to allow Gray to force a good save from Schmeical. I thought he was generally fair enough in keeping his cards in his pockets (Lowton might have been unlucky, but once the linesman gave the foul, Dean had to book him), but I'm not sure how the foul on Hendrick, once given, wasn't a card.

So - not a great night from Dean on the big calls, but his overall game management was fine. He remains one of the best refs in the country, and if we want better, then we need to make the job more attractive, which probably involves ending the constant obsession with demonising them for genuine, human mistakes.

[Rileybobs]

Agree with spice. Game management was fine, big decisions were awful. Compare this with Craig Pawson who somehow gave 11 yellow cards in our recent victory against Middlesbrough. His approach to the game not only resulted in a number of unwarranted bookings but also helped to ruin the game as a spectacle. Last night's game was one of the most enjoyable this season in my opinion.

Barnes was a classic case of 'live by the sword, die by the sword'. If you're going to try and trick the referee every time you go into a challenge (which Barnes does) then I think the referee has every right to err on the side of caution when considering whether or not a foul has been committed.

Of course, Dean can't be excused for the number of big decisions that he got wrong.

[Rowls]

Heaton was clumsy

Great post spice. Agree with nearly everything apart from the above. There's nothing clumsy about getting kicked by a cheating striker. We all need to start drawing the clear distinction here instead of allowing cheats like Vardy to blur the lines.

[Rileybobs]

Great post spice. Agree with nearly everything apart from the above. There's nothing clumsy about getting kicked by a cheating striker. We all need to start drawing the clear distinction here instead of allowing cheats like Vardy to blur the lines.

Vardy has trademarked that move, it's so obvious now that referee's really shouldn't fall for it. Perhaps one of the reasons why Vardy, and in turn Leicester, are struggling to reach anywhere near the heights of last season.

It was a clear dive from my vantage point 100 yards away in the JMU, how it wasn't punished by a yellow card is beyond me.

[quoonbeatz]

heaton was clumsy, in that he came flying out then checked his run but still got into that corridor of uncertainty. there's no doubt that vardy did his usual thing and cheated but heaton coming out like that, to a ball he was never going to win, gave the referee something to think about. this is where its a benefit to have a referee as experienced as mike dean. should have booked vardy though.

tale of two halves for dean last night for me. first half he was as poor as i've ever seen him and the non-awarding of the penalty for the push on keane was criminal.

he was much better in the second half although he should have booked huth for wrestling gray back(although it was outside the area) and he failed to book ndidi for the worst foul in the entire game on hendrick. thats a question of consistency for me, where you have lowton rightly booked for a run of the mill, stopper's challenge but a snide, nasty foul like that, that could have seriously injured hendrick, isn't punished as heavily.

[Rowls]

heaton was clumsy, in that he came flying out then checked his run but still got into that corridor of uncertainty. there's no doubt that vardy did his usual thing and cheated but heaton coming out like that, to a ball he was never going to win, gave the referee something to think about. this is where its a benefit to have a referee as experienced as mike dean. should have booked vardy though.

These are weaselly phrases invented by pundits who don't have the guts to call a cheat a cheat. Heaton came out to challenge Vardy because he was doing his job as a professional footballer and, as a goalkeeper, was defending his goal.

Doing his job is not "clumsy". The pitch at Turf Moor is not a "corridor of uncertainty".

[quoonbeatz]

there's little point in debating it with you, rowls, as you clearly don't understand and i can't be arsed to explain it in what would need to be sub-simple terms.

pretty sure the phrase 'was clumsy' has been around for a long time and probably pre-dates football pundits but if its a new one on you then you've got some way to go until you're up to speed.

[claretspice]

Rowls - I suppose the point is that stating Heaton was clumsy, and that Vardy dived/exaggerated the contact/made the most of it aren't mutually exclusive statements. As Quoon says, it wasn't Heaton's finest bit of goalkeeping and he got caught in no mans land, travelling at a bit of speed, in the vicinity of Vardy. Irrespective of whether it was or wasn't a pen, it was clumsy.

[CaptJohn]

Perhaps I have my Claret tinted specs on regarding Mike Dean after the Sheff Utd play-off final where he could easily have given a penalty against Kalvanes late on. I did think he was one of the better refs but his crown is slipping.

A. 15
B. 15
C. 20
D. 18 I thought he controlled the game well enough. There were no really bad challenges