Frank Lampard retires

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:22 pm

He's announced his retirement today at 38.

At club level, he will go down as one of the greats in English football for me.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:23 pm

Fat frank..

snapcrackleandpop · Post by **snapcrackleandpop** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:24 pm

Over 250 goals from midfield, that will take some beating.

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:32 pm

" Fat Frank" what a silly comment.

Redbeard · Post by **Redbeard** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:43 pm

That lets me off, then.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:55 pm

Useless for england. If they'd have just let gerrard run the show, we may have achieved something..

The Enclosure · Post by **The Enclosure** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:58 pm

^^^^^^^^^^
Rubbish

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:01 pm

Saxoman wrote:Useless for england. If they'd have just let gerrard run the show, we may have achieved something..

Should've put yourself in for the managers job then Saxo, seeing as it's the managers who couldn't get the best out of Scholes, Gerrard, Lampard....

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:04 pm

The Enclosure wrote:^^^^^^^^^^
Rubbish

Champions league final v Milan, Gerrard dragged Liverpool to the win outstandingly. When did lampard ever do that?

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:05 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Should've put yourself in for the managers job then Saxo, seeing as it's the managers who couldn't get the best out of Scholes, Gerrard, Lampard....

Both scholes and lampard overrated.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:11 pm

Id say scholes was a very good player. But I would say bobody ever questioned why he wasn't played more for England or said how great he was. Suddenly years after he retires Xavi and Zidane say he was great player and people latched on to that. He's become world class the past few years.

But Lampard? Nah. Chelsea leading goal scorer. Scored many important goals.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:23 pm

Saxoman wrote:Both scholes and lampard overrated.

Going to elaborate?

I know why you're stating Gerrard was better, but lets see your reasonings about Lampard and Scholes.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:23 pm

Saxoman wrote:Champions league final v Milan, Gerrard dragged Liverpool to the win outstandingly. When did lampard ever do that?

DId you watch it?

I'd say the introduction of Hamman was more of a game changer then anything else.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:24 pm

Saxoman wrote:Champions league final v Milan, Gerrard dragged Liverpool to the win outstandingly. When did lampard ever do that?

No he didn't.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:31 pm

Saxoman wrote:Champions league final v Milan, Gerrard dragged Liverpool to the win outstandingly. When did lampard ever do that?

Think you are getting bully boy stevie g mixed up with Didi Hamann

Cheshireclaret · Post by **Cheshireclaret** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:32 pm

snapcrackleandpop wrote:Over 250 goals from midfield, that will take some beating.

Assuming he stays in The Premier League and remains a midfielder, I think Delle Alli is very well placed to beat that record (I'm not sure Lampard made it 250 career goals), especially when you look at the number of games it has taken him to get to 20 goals (52).

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:13 pm

Best English midfielder of his generation.

Didn't need to drag Chelsea to things, he was good enough to be in a consistently successful side.

Less dramatic than Gerrard sure but a far better midfielder, particularly attacking.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:16 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Best English midfielder of his generation.

Didn't need to drag Chelsea to things, he was good enough to be in a consistently successful side.

Less dramatic than Gerrard sure but a far better midfielder, particularly attacking.

I don't agree in the slightest.

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:20 pm

Lampard became a bit of a luxury player as his career dragged on, that's why I feel some don't rate him. He wasn't as "box to box" as Gerrard but that doesn't mean he wasn't a class player. Found the right space at the right time, a true skill by itself, and he had the composure to hit the back of the net.

Definitely one of the best Midfielders to grace the Premier league in my book.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:22 pm

More appearances. More goals. Better ratio of goals to games. More goals for his country. More honours. Apart from that Gerrard might have had a shout...

THE key player of all Chelseas modern success. Chelsea won so much because of him (and Terry). He wasn't a bit part player. He wasn't here to make the numbers up. The team was built around him.

Jeffbfc · Post by **Jeffbfc** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:23 pm

Paul Scholes overrated.
I honestly don't have a reply to that.
Oh hang on. Knob!!!!!

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:26 pm

Jeffbfc wrote:Paul Scholes overrated.
I honestly don't have a reply to that.
Oh hang on. Knob!!!!!

You seem very upset at criticism of a man utd player..

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:28 pm

Paul Scholes was underrated

Jeffbfc · Post by **Jeffbfc** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:30 pm

Saxoman wrote:You seem very upset at criticism of a man utd player..

No just shows your knowledge of football.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:32 pm

claptrappers_union wrote:Paul Scholes was underrated

Couldn't tackle, couldnt play in a 442 centrally, inconsistant particularly for england..

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:46 pm

He could tackle but it was the weakest part of his game admittidly, but where where he lacked in those areas he made up for in others.

He was under appreciated at international level.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:49 pm

claptrappers_union wrote:
He was under appreciated at international level.

They always said that of Glenn hoddle, but he never performed when given opportunity for england either.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:22 pm

Saxoman wrote:Couldn't tackle, couldnt play in a 442 centrally, inconsistant particularly for england..

He played in a 442 at Utd you bell end

Jeffbfc · Post by **Jeffbfc** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:27 pm

Sidney1st wrote:He played in a 442 at Utd you bell end

Sidney don't bother I saw that and couldn't find the interest to reply to it.
Will stand by my earlier comment about him.

Knob.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:33 pm

Saxo is just refusing to recognise it because they didn't play for Liverpool.

Gerrard stood out at Liverpool because 70% of the players around him weren't that good.
Would he have been as stand out at a club with better players?
I doubt it in all honesty.

The Scholes, Lampard and Gerrard question is generally quite tiresome because they were 3 very different players.
I'd say Scholes was a better technical player, Gerrard the box to box type and Lampard the goal scoring midfielder.

Everyone has their favourites, but none of them were really used to their full potential by England.
England's midfield should've been built around 1 of them, not two or all 3 of them, but a succession of England managers were to weak to make that decision.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:35 pm

Did real Madrid and barca constantly chase lampard throughout his career? The only club that came in for him was major league soccer at the end of his career.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:38 pm

Sidney1st wrote:He played in a 442 at Utd you bell end

As a second striker.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:38 pm

Scholes was the most complete of the three and had the ability to dictate a game. Lampard was the better goalscorer and second of the three. Slippy G was a great leader and all action player but always seemed to bottle it, other than the Champions league final.

Not Lampards fault but the fact Scholes was shunted out to the right to accommodate the other two, leading to his eventual international retirement, was a travesty.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:39 pm

Couldn't tell you, but you're forgetting Real Madrid like to sign 'Galactico's' , big name players to get the shirts sold.
Lampard wasn't one of those because he was playing in a better team the Gerrard, so didn't have to keep dragging them out of the mire, so his name wasn't in the press as much as Gerrards.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:41 pm

Saxoman wrote:As a second striker.

With Keane in the middle behind 2 strikers.

You're really trying to look more clueless then normal aren't you tonight?

Scholes and Keane in CM was instrumental to UTD's success.

2nd striker.....

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:42 pm

Darthlaw wrote:
Not Lampards fault but the fact Scholes was shunted out to the right to accommodate the other two, leading to his eventual international retirement, was a travesty.

I thought Scholes was pushed out to the left side?

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:43 pm

Yup, you are correct.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:44 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Couldn't tell you, but you're forgetting Real Madrid like to sign 'Galactico's' , big name players to get the shirts sold.
Lampard wasn't one of those because he was playing in a better team the Gerrard, so didn't have to keep dragging them out of the mire, so his name wasn't in the press as much as Gerrards.

What a load of..

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:48 pm

Why is it?
Gerrard kept getting the headlines because he kept having to drag Liverpool over the line.

Chelsea were the better all round team with better managers, their trophy haul has proven that.
Lampard wasn't the biggest name in that squad, but he was probably one of the most important, he generally just got on with it though and was allowed to flourish in his role.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:56 pm

Scholes, Gerrard and Lampard (anyone else on the Turf when he scored his first Chelsea goal in a pre-season?) were all class players. Anyone who says different needs to go and watch darts as they don't have the faintest clue about football.

Scholes was the stand out player though and the best English player of my lifetme

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:23 pm

Saxoman wrote:Did real Madrid and barca constantly chase lampard throughout his career? The only club that came in for him was major league soccer at the end of his career.

I forgot to mention something about Scholes with this one.

A number of clubs sniffed around wanting Scholes.
Inter's president was willing to cough up £30 million in 2001 I think it was, but Scholes' agent told him not to bother, because the player was only interested in playing for UTD.
Not once did Scholes angle for a move away, didn't flutter his eyes at other clubs and made it clear he was never going to leave UTD.
Same with Giggs by the way.

Can you say the same about Gerrard?

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:39 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I forgot to mention something about Scholes with this one.

A number of clubs sniffed around wanting Scholes.
Inter's president was willing to cough up £30 million in 2001 I think it was, but Scholes' agent told him not to bother, because the player was only interested in playing for UTD.
Not once did Scholes angle for a move away, didn't flutter his eyes at other clubs and made it clear he was never going to leave UTD.
Same with Giggs by the way.

Can you say the same about Gerrard?

Why are you so happy about players being loyal to man utd?

A common trate I found with fans of yours I met when you were lower league was they went to Burnley home games and utd games at OT when Burnley were away.

That is 100% truth and reason I reckon so many Burnley fans defend man utd.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:43 pm

Saxoman wrote:Why are you so happy about players being loyal to man utd?

I'm not just impressed with players being loyal to Utd.

Carragher, Maldini, Baresi, all one club players who I admired for it.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:46 pm

Gerrard was bound to stand out when surrounded by the dross Liverpool signed throughout his career. No denying his contribution but his trophy cabinet is rather bare in comparison to Lampard and Scholes who were class players in class teams.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:46 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I'm not just impressed with players being loyal to Utd.

Carragher, Maldini, Baresi, all one club players who I admired for it.

And the rest?

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:47 pm

Saxoman wrote:Why are you so happy about players being loyal to man utd?

A common trate I found with fans of yours I met when you were lower league was they went to Burnley home games and utd games at OT when Burnley were away.

That is 100% truth and reason I reckon so many Burnley fans defend man utd.

That is just plain bullshit.

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:50 pm

Absolute tripe there Saxo, you're normally tolerable but you've got rather mundane recently. You do not need to be affiliated with a club to appreciate players who have shown that sort of loyalty. Its no wonder it's dissapperaring from football with morons like you.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:50 pm

JohnMac wrote:That is just plain bullshit.

Probably upsetting for some to read but its the truth.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:54 pm

Saxoman wrote:And the rest?

There are plenty, yes you're right, but defenders are usually my favorite players, hence Maldini and the one who I consider to be the greatest defender ever, Baresi.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:55 pm

Aircelle(I'm sure you know who that is), even ran a coach to OT for some of these fans I think.