The three promoted clubs. Are the actually good?

[chekhov]

Latest video from HITCSevens (Alfie Potts-Hamer).
Interesting…

[Claretfanatic1982]

Latest video from HITCSevens (Alfie Potts-Hamer).
Interesting…

It would be if we could see the video

https://youtu.be/48_3EIohoQA?si=LnaHPXRTUEcXjr4B

[ollieclarets8]

A lot of comments on there from people who have ignored the fixtures played so far and just had a quick look at the current table.

[chekhov]

It would be if we could see the video

https://youtu.be/48_3EIohoQA?si=LnaHPXRTUEcXjr4B

Thanks, Claretfanatic!

[Jakubclaret]

A lot of comments on there from people who have ignored the fixtures played so far and just had a quick look at the current table.

Or people carefully considering what our relegation rivals have done so far against the same fixtures we have played. You can't have it both ways play the hard fixture card while ignoring what the likes of brentford & bournemouth have done. If we want to stay in this division all this will come to reckoning not now but at the end.

[ollieclarets8]

Or people carefully considering what our relegation rivals have done so far against the same fixtures we have played.

As this is all about Leeds, Sunderland and Burnley, in what world have Sunderland and Leeds had the same fixtures that we have played?

[Jakubclaret]

As this is all about Leeds, Sunderland and Burnley, in what world have Sunderland and Leeds had the same fixtures that we have played?

It doesn't make a difference brentford & bournemouth are in that same pool & I'd add wolves west ham before nuno. It's extremely important we take care of our own results but when other teams match & above it needs to be considered. It's not all about Leeds & Sunderland because there's every possibility other teams will feature. Even if we are trying to discredit them & align them with our fixtures both have so far done equally as good & measurably better. A point at palace & 3 away to forest which is good & 3 at home & 3 away. Talking about hard fixtures where is our away win that the other 2 have achieved.

[dougcollins]

We're the worst performing of the three, so far.

[Jakubclaret]

We're the worst performing of the three, so far.

We are but let's not dress it up with the hard fixture bo**ocks.

[ollieclarets8]

It's not all about Leeds & Sunderland

The whole thread and video is literally about us, Leeds and Sunderland. It's regarding the 3 promoted clubs.

[warksclaret]

Appreciate fixtures have been tough for us but they were three seasons ago under VK. We had a hard run of really tough initial fixtures then, but when easier games came along there was little or no improvement.

[Jakubclaret]

The whole thread and video is literally about us, Leeds and Sunderland. It's regarding the 3 promoted clubs.

I'm not interested in Leeds & Sunderland. I've looked at all the fixtures & results & performances & drawn my own conclusions.

[ollieclarets8]

I'm not interested in Leeds & Sunderland.

Then you're on the wrong thread. It's a thread about us, Leeds and Sunderland. Over and out.

[Dyched]

If you’re putting in the same “pool” as teams that finished in the top 10 last season, you’re in for a pretty disappointing season.

[Jakubclaret]

Appreciate fixtures have been tough for us but they were three seasons ago under VK. We had a hard run of really tough initial fixtures then, but when easier games came along there was little or no improvement.

Exact same script eerily almost identical, faith was held on some of a upturn but nothing positive happened. But then wood had left & some sort of misguided resurgence on the scoring front was left to WW. I don't need to say anymore good evening.

[fidelcastro]

Exact same script eerily almost identical, faith was held on some of a upturn but nothing positive happened. But then wood had left & some sort of misguided resurgence on the scoring front was left to WW. I don't need to say anymore good evening.

How often did Wood and Weghorst play for Kompany, ablue?

[boatshed bill]

Started watching it but got bored

[Jakubclaret]

If you’re putting in the same “pool” as teams that finished in the top 10 last season, you’re in for a pretty disappointing season.

I agree but previously upon forum discussion bournemouth were mentioned amongst the likes of palace as possible relegation candidates it's not me personally placing them in that pool. That considering it's fair to list them.

[Goliath]

I genuinely think we are the best of the 3. There's been periods in every game where we've moved the ball with real quality and intensity. Our fixtures have just been ridiculous.

We need a win now so we don't lose confidence, if we can get one soon then I think we might just be OK. Could do with more goals in the side though. I think Brownhill is a huge miss for us. He creates, scores and presses really well. We haven't replaced those assets.

[Spijed]

How come we struggled against Spurs when Wolves, without a point, nearly got a win?

Looking like we gave them too much respect.

[RVclaret]

How come we struggled against Spurs when Wolves, without a point, nearly got a win?

Looking like we gave them too much respect.

First game nerves from us probably. Started with Laurent in centre mid.

[Jakubclaret]

How come we struggled against Spurs when Wolves, without a point, nearly got a win?

Looking like we gave them too much respect.

Word of caution it's only acceptable to talk about Leeds & Sunderland nobody else are relegation candidates & seemingly it's irrelevant what anybody else does.

[Enola Gay]

Word of caution it's only acceptable to talk about Leeds & Sunderland nobody else are relegation candidates & seemingly it's irrelevant what anybody else does.

It’s irrelevant in the context of a thread literally entitled “The three promoted clubs. Are the actually good?”

Unless you’re lacking in comprehension skills or being wilfully obtuse.

Neither of which is a particularly good look.

[Foshiznik]

Sunderland have genuinely impressed. I don’t think anyone can argue that but many of the comments on the video suggest that both them and Leeds will comfortably stay up and we will be relegated because of how poor we’ve been, without context of the opposition faced. I think that’s what most on this thread are saying and fairly so. If the current table order is the same in 10 games time then maybe they will be right but as of now, it’s harsh.

[Jakubclaret]

It’s irrelevant in the context of a thread literally entitled “The three promoted clubs. Are the actually good?”

Unless you’re lacking in comprehension skills or being wilfully obtuse.

Neither of which is a particularly good look.

Like it's realistically achievable or expected within the context of relegation not to deviate elsewhere in discussing other teams. But let's rigidly discuss Sunderland & Leeds who actually look a cut above (so far) than the likes of wolves.

[Somethingfishy]

Like it's realistically achievable or expected within the context of relegation not to deviate elsewhere in discussing other teams. But let's rigidly discuss Sunderland & Leeds who actually look a cut above (so far) than the likes of wolves.

You are STILL not getting it are you? This is a thread about the relative merits of the three promoted clubs. Presumably based on stats showing we are making a better fist of it than most in the last 10 years. Where does it say it is a relegation discussion? So you have got the subject matter completely wrong and it's not the context. It's not rigidly sticking to Leeds and Sunderland it is precisely what the OP wanted to discuss. It's not all about you.

[Jakubclaret]

You are STILL not getting it are you? This is a thread about the relative merits of the three promoted clubs. Presumably based on stats showing we are making a better fist of it than most in the last 10 years. Where does it say it is a relegation discussion? So you have got the subject matter completely wrong and it's not the context. It's not rigidly sticking to Leeds and Sunderland it is precisely what the OP wanted to discuss. It's not all about you.

In all fairness I know exactly what the discussion entails which is clearly indicated by my comments regarding Sunderland & Leeds results. I just don't see how picking 4 PTS up against palace & forest in 2 away games is easier than UTD or Spurs on current form guide & talking about Leeds who also have collected 2 wins 1 being away. Will that do you? & no mention of relegation & no mention of 17 other teams apart from palace & forest where Sunderland collected the points. It's not about me I never said it was you did!

[willsclarets]

I thought Sunderland were very much second best against us, but they've had some great results. Still expect them and Leeds to be in the relegation mix. For all our positives, we've not taken points where we should. As Spurs found out, there are no easy games. So while our fixture list has been tough, it's not the case that we'll pick up the points we expect elsewhere. As Sean always said, fine margins. I actually think there's very little between the 3 promoted sides, and it'll be those moments in games where you grab points or walk away with nothing.

So far, in those definitive moments, we've come up short. You never really know which teams will give you opportunities for 1 or 3 points, but regardless of the opposition you have to be ready to take them.

[Elizabeth]

A tug of the shirt here, turning your back in the penalty area there. Silly errors that can be eliminated or a sign that we have a naivety that will haunt us all season? You decide.
Sunderland's bubble will eventually burst but when? Looking forward to their game at Old Trafford at the weekend so some kind of comparison can be made.
Leeds survival, not unlike ours,will more than likely depend on their home form.

I still think 2 of the 3 are actually good enough to survive

[Hibsclaret]

I still think Sunderland go down. They have been incredibly lucky with the fixtures and more specifically when those games were played. They should have lost points to Brentford who missed a pen and Palace who missed an open goal. They beat West Ham with about 0.6 xg. They played Forest after a European trip in the midweek before and scored from a non free kick. Their best performance was with ten men against a poor Villa. They haven’t played a big 6 team whilst we have played 4.

No doubt they will get to play the big teams after European trips where we have had Liverpool and City after free weeks or international breaks or a season opener with a new manager (Spurs). They couldn’t have hand picked the start to the season any better.

[Spijed]

I still think Sunderland go down. They have been incredibly lucky with the fixtures and more specifically when those games were played. They should have lost points to Brentford who missed a pen and Palace who missed an open goal. They beat West Ham with about 0.6 xg. They played Forest after a European trip in the midweek before and scored from a non free kick. Their best performance was with ten men against a poor Villa. They haven’t played a big 6 team whilst we have played 4.

No doubt they will get to play the big teams after European trips where we have had Liverpool and City after free weeks or international breaks or a season opener with a new manager (Spurs). They couldn’t have hand picked the start to the season any better.

Chris Wood missed an open goal for Forest as well.