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Post by MACCA » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:06 am

Them lads are still wearing those Adidas Samba today!

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Post by ClaretTony » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:09 am

Man of Kent wrote:4 November 1986: Colchester United (H) 2–1 Grewcock 29', Hoskin 43' Attendance: 1,696

or maybe here?:

24 January 1987: Hereford United (H) 0–6 Attendance: 1,961


Possibly as bad as it got?
I was match ball sponsor for the first of those two games

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Post by johnalexander » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:23 am

Shortly before Hereford game I won clarets revival draw. Got free tickets for directors box and awarded cheque on pitch at h/t. Went with sykoclaret and had pint with Hereford directors. (No sign of our board at all). After game we went to leave and doorman told us it was too dangerous to leave as fans were protesting. We said let us out we want to join them. Oh what a horrible day that was!

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Post by Inchy » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:26 am

How much did it cost to be a match ball sponsor back then?


I was not born until 1987 so fortunately missed out on all the proper rubbish.

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Post by ClaretTony » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:33 am

Inchy wrote:How much did it cost to be a match ball sponsor back then?
Can't remember to be honest but we got four tickets and it was a complete farce.

1. No one had allocated any seats for us so they shoved us in the old directors box in the cricket field stand on our own.
2. Went down, as was traditional then, to hand the ball to the referee and have the photo's taken. Photographer hadn't turned up because the club owed him money.
3. We were invited into what is now the Harry Potts Lounge after the game where, despite being sponsors, were ignored by everyone except director Bernard Rothwell who, at the top of his voice, said to some steward type bloke: "What are these four doing in here? Get them out." He didn't get us out, but he sure as hell got a mouth full from me.
4. Big thanks to three players that night after the game who were brilliant with my guests - Joe Gallagher, Leighton James and Billy Rodaway.

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Post by snapcrackleandpop » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:41 am

Yes & yes, it might have been sh*t but it was our sh*t.
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Post by johnalexander » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:48 am

C/T we used to (indeed still do) drink in Talbot before game. Beer in Bob Lord directors lounge was dearer than pub. Another reason we wanted out after match. Seem to remember though we were "encouraged" to go at final whistle. So you probably did ok out of match ball sponsorship!

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Post by Lord Beamish » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:54 am

I only hope that our friends down the M65 sink this low. I do hope they lose their 'Orient' game, mind.
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Post by Bin Ont Turf » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:57 am

I'm pretty sure that I've still got the programme for the Colchester one. I'll post a pic later if I find it.

Does it still count for the Hereford one if you left about 10 minutes into the second half?

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Post by Claretsi » Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:03 am

Stood on the Bee Hole end for the Hereford game - still cant believe that on arrival some bloke was stood in my 'spot' behind the goals and I had to move to a less crowded area! Happy days !

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Post by Inchy » Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:38 am

We really were a shambolic club back then.

In the early 90s I remember people referring to the Burnley board as a private drinking club. I can imagine it now. Smokey men in crap suits lording over the club acting like big shots because they are 10 bob millionaires

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Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:55 am

Does 'Were you here?' even make sense? I'm not exactly top notch on the English language but ...

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Post by mdd2 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:00 am

Nope but was at Burnley 0 Cambridge 2 1874
At least the 1696 saw us win

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Post by gc14 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:26 pm

Yes to both.. Only missed 1 at home that season Lincoln (a 3-1 win) and did over half of the aways .. Telford,Aldershot,Hereford and Exeter were particularly bad ..
Anyone go on the Supporters coach to Torquay for the 1st game ? Evening kick-off on a Saturday night an we arrived at 6am Saturday morning, Great days,great memories, shite football...
"An you try telling the kids of today this ! They won't believe it !! "

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Post by ClaretTony » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:32 pm

gc14 wrote:Yes to both.. Only missed 1 at home that season Lincoln (a 3-1 win) and did over half of the aways .. Telford,Aldershot,Hereford and Exeter were particularly bad ..
Anyone go on the Supporters coach to Torquay for the 1st game ? Evening kick-off on a Saturday night an we arrived at 6am Saturday morning, Great days,great memories, shite football...
"An you try telling the kids of today this ! They won't believe it !! "
My mate Brian and myself run the supporters coaches back then. Brian was concerned that it was Bank Holiday weekend which then would bring notoriously heavy traffic on the M5. He decided a midnight departure might be in order to ensure getting there in ample time. After it was all organised, Torquay moved the kick off from 3 p.m. to evening (7:15 I think) so we had something like 13 hours to kill once we got there.

You are very right gc14 - great days and great memories with the shite football.

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Post by HiroshimaClaret » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:33 pm

ralph wrote:Rochdale at home was bad we'd hammered Crewe in the previous home game ... Preston at home made fools of us after we'd had a couple of decent results .. Wolves we were 2-1 up at home lost 5-2 and they brought half the crowd with them ... miserable times
I`m sure against Wolves it could have been 7 or 8. If memory serves, Bull/Mutch went on the rampage and had a couple of goals ruled out. Bull was a monster!!!!

The aforementioned Hereford match was absolutely awful...can recall the protest too. At least you could get reduced price pies on the way off the Bee Hole End.

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Post by Dyched » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:33 pm

mdd2 wrote:Nope but was at Burnley 0 Cambridge 2 1874
At least the 1696 saw us win
1874! Bet your knocking on abit :D
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Post by Herts Clarets » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:38 pm

ClaretTony wrote:My mate Brian and myself run the supporters coaches back then. Brian was concerned that it was Bank Holiday weekend which then would bring notoriously heavy traffic on the M5. He decided a midnight departure might be in order to ensure getting there in ample time. After it was all organised, Torquay moved the kick off from 3 p.m. to evening (7:15 I think) so we had something like 13 hours to kill once we got there.

You are very right gc14 - great days and great memories with the shite football.
BOXCAR!

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Post by gc14 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:40 pm

I was 16 at the time,caught it from Rawtenstall about 11pm, some great characters on the coach back then and of course some sadly no longer with us .. Remember calling in a newsagents just after getting off the coach and the shopkeeper recognised the accent straight away,turned out he had moved down from Burnley.. Called in for a paper and a drink but he insisted of giving me a carrier bag of goodies for the " journey home" he said ! Chocolates,drinks and a selection of magazines of the 'adult' variety :-)

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Post by ClaretTony » Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:02 pm

Herts Clarets wrote:BOXCAR!
WOO WOO :D
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Post by Top Claret » Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:21 pm

Did not go the Colchester game but went Hereford. These were miserable depressing times to be a Burnley supporter, they truly were. I can't believe it when I hear some sad case say, that there best times watching the clarets was in the old 4th division days.

Ok, we won the 4th division under Mullin, but it took us 7 years of watching totally dross football and watching our team in front of gates of just a couple of thousand and visiting poxy away grounds.

Thank god for Barry Kilby, who came along and rescued the club from another possible dose of 4th tier football. If he had not have come in I am quite confident, we would have had to live through another Orient type experience

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Post by Sausage » Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:42 pm

Had a season ticket that year. Row K in the Cricket Field Stand, next to the tunnel. But...

Was grounded for the Colchester game for giving my mum some verbals and refusing to apologise to her. My brother went on instead.

Yes for the Hereford game. It's the first and only time I've seen Clarets fans throwing season tickets on the pitch at the end.

I feel privileged to have witnessed that season, not because it was fun (it wasn't fun by any stretch of the imagination) but because it gives me a sense of perspective for these heady days in the Premier League.
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Post by Bop » Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:44 pm

Great picture. How young is Phil Holmes on that picture! A proliferation of Adidas, Ellesse ski jackets and split jeans! Jack Simmons was the only person to come and speak to us.

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Post by Devils_Advocate » Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:27 pm

Top Claret wrote:Did not go the Colchester game but went Hereford. These were miserable depressing times to be a Burnley supporter, they truly were. I can't believe it when I hear some sad case say, that there best times watching the clarets was in the old 4th division days.

Ok, we won the 4th division under Mullin, but it took us 7 years of watching totally dross football and watching our team in front of gates of just a couple of thousand and visiting poxy away grounds.
A good point which bares similarities to those who claim to prefer watching us in the Championship after a couple of great promotion campaigns when we could very easily be back watching the dross Cotterill served up prior to Coyle's promotion season

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Post by Barry_Chuckle » Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:41 pm

Yes and Yes...... I'm still scarred by it all.

Thanks for opening old wounds :cry:

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Post by Dazzler » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:15 pm

Bop wrote:Great picture. How young is Phil Holmes on that picture!
Is he the one behind the two coppers with his left arm raised seemingly about to clobber one of em ?

Didn't really know him then.
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Post by RocketLawnChair » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:27 pm

I wasn't at the Colchester game, I attended the annual bonfire on our street.

I still believe when people discuss the Hereford drubbing they look directly at the score line and say it couldn't get much worse, but that wasn't the worst performance. Rochdale at Home on New Years Day was truly horrendous, about as bad as paid sportsmen can play I would say.

Against Hereford at home we should have had four ourselves we missed some absolute sitters. I also read above somebody criticising Tony Woodworth but he was really only at fault for one of the goals. And the goal Stewart Phillips scored too complete his hat trick was a truly sensational strike, a volley from the edge of the area which rocketed into the top corner.. Hereford played in White Shirts Black Shorts and Red Socks that day. I try and try but I cannot erase it from my memory!

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Post by bartons baggage » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:31 pm

IndigoLake wrote:I was in my mother's womb on both of those dates. So you'll forgive me for not attending :)
No excuse she should have gone on. :D

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Post by Stan Tastic » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:42 pm

mdd2 wrote:Nope but was at Burnley 0 Cambridge 2 1874
At least the 1696 saw us win
I was with the sponsors for that one.

After the miserable defeat there was a protest outside the Bob Lord stand by some fans.

There were about 15 of them chanting and waving their fists at us as we had a post-match pint in the sponsor's lounge or whatever it was. Even the protests were struggling for numbers.

I presume they must have thought we were directors, although me and my mate were only in our mid-twenties.

It was the most depressing experience I've ever had on the Turf and the attendance was 1874, not the year.

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Post by Sausage » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:26 pm

There are some standout moments from that season and others that I can barely recall. For example, we thumped Crewe at home, we beat the runaway league leaders Northampton too. And I can still recall Leighton James' free kick at the Cricket Field End against Southend in a 2-1 win (a 'tubby' Leighton James beating a very tubby Jim Stannard). But other details have been lost in the fog of time which is hardly surprising given it was 30 years ago and I was only 11.

Anyway, the question I have is for some of you older ones: At what point in the season did it dawn on you that we were massively up sh!t creek? I recall thinking we were safe after beating Rochdale at Spotland but it went spectacularly tit-shaped in the following couple of weeks.

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Post by Zom Zom » Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:44 pm

IndigoLake wrote:I was in my mother's womb on both of those dates. So you'll forgive me for not attending :)
What kind of an excuse is that? :x

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Post by Jimmymaccer » Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:47 pm

Wasn't that Hereford game Woodworths debut?.........and his one and only appearance for the Padiham lad?.......if it was, that would be some claim to fame when he tells his kids!

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Post by Zom Zom » Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:48 pm

mdd2 wrote:Nope but was at Burnley 0 Cambridge 2 1874
At least the 1696 saw us win
:? We didn't play Cambridge in 1874..

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Post by Man of Kent » Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:35 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I was match ball sponsor for the first of those two games
Do you still have the ball? It was one of very few good things to come out of that season because we won that game.

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Post by Man of Kent » Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:38 pm

My answer is a no and yes. What always amazed me about following Burnley around that time was how, whenever it reached a point where I would think "this really is the pits, it can't get any worse than this", it actually did.... much, much worse. It was like falling into the Mariana Trench - our downfall seemed to be infinite and never ending. Until that final game of the season....

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Post by bfcjg » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:05 pm

Yes and yes joined in all the protests and told Jack Simmons were to go when he came out to the fans and it was so obvious he was a clueless imbecile.

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Post by ten bellies » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:14 pm

I was fortunately still in the RAF based in London, so didn't get to too many home games, and I can't remember the ones I did go to thankfully. I did get to a few away games down south travelling solo. Grim.

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Post by RocketLawnChair » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:15 pm

Jimmymaccer wrote:Wasn't that Hereford game Woodworths debut?.........and his one and only appearance for the Padiham lad?.......if it was, that would be some claim to fame when he tells his kids!
Tony is from Manchester.. City Fan..

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Post by Stan Tastic » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:23 pm

Sausage wrote:There are some standout moments from that season and others that I can barely recall. For example, we thumped Crewe at home, we beat the runaway league leaders Northampton too. And I can still recall Leighton James' free kick at the Cricket Field End against Southend in a 2-1 win (a 'tubby' Leighton James beating a very tubby Jim Stannard). But other details have been lost in the fog of time which is hardly surprising given it was 30 years ago and I was only 11.

Anyway, the question I have is for some of you older ones: At what point in the season did it dawn on you that we were massively up sh!t creek? I recall thinking we were safe after beating Rochdale at Spotland but it went spectacularly tit-shaped in the following couple of weeks.
When the final whistle went at Crewe and we realised it was out of our hands.

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Post by Garforth Claret » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:29 pm

Yes and yes. I recall the 6-0 home defeat very well it was ingrained in my Clarets memory bank. It's what gives me perspective when we don't spend £20m in the transfer window or we can't beat a ten man Man City team

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Post by ClaretTony » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:31 pm

Man of Kent wrote:Do you still have the ball? It was one of very few good things to come out of that season because we won that game.
I don't - I donated it to the supporters club at the end of the season and they auctioned it

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Post by Blackrod » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:59 pm

Was in the 1874 v Cambridge with my Dad. The game that got me re hooked on going. Awful football but the terrace banter and chants were hilarious.

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Post by Cajun » Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:03 pm

The afternoon of that Hereford game, I was playing football for Outwood Common Social Club in Billericay and was having a beer in the bar afterwards as the results came in – I was just stunned at the result, I went and sat down heavily at a table, and the team skipper came over and put a consoling hand on my shoulder. I thought the Clarets could hardly be worse than at that moment… Little did I know that come the end of the season we would be staring into the abyss, or that the weekend after the Hereford game I would wreck my MCL on a frozen pitch.

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Post by Jimmymaccer » Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:18 pm

RLC yer right he was born in Manc but.....

Wikipedia....joined Burnley Youth Team in 1984...promoted to the senior squad in 1986....made his only first team appearance v Hereford deputising for the unavailable Neenan.....released that summer and played amateur football with Burnley Utd

I remember it not being his fault.....we were just garbage, it was sodding freezing and snowing and all he had to do was pick the ball out of his net...

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Post by ralph » Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:19 pm

Sausage wrote:There are some standout moments from that season and others that I can barely recall. For example, we thumped Crewe at home, we beat the runaway league leaders Northampton too. And I can still recall Leighton James' free kick at the Cricket Field End against Southend in a 2-1 win (a 'tubby' Leighton James beating a very tubby Jim Stannard). But other details have been lost in the fog of time which is hardly surprising given it was 30 years ago and I was only 11.

Anyway, the question I have is for some of you older ones: At what point in the season did it dawn on you that we were massively up sh!t creek? I recall thinking we were safe after beating Rochdale at Spotland but it went spectacularly tit-shaped in the following couple of weeks.
Probably when Alan Taylor and Kevin Hird left over the summer Taylor(23 goals in 64) Hird (23 goals in 83) and that's a lot to lose from an already poor side...the Preston game at home was telling they hammered us .

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Post by martintheaker » Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:20 pm

Anyone also remember the firework display on the Bee Hole Terrace (at half-time?) at the Colchester match.

Tony - did Jim Thomson do the display that night?

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Post by Dark Cloud » Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:30 pm

I've had a season ticket since 1972, but with the exception of just 3 seasons where I just HAD to draw the line on the orders of my doctor as I was becoming suicidal!! Those were 1985/6,1986/7 & 1987/8 and I'm actually somewhat ashamed of myself in retrospect! I actually think what made that period worse was that in 1982 we'd actually been promoted as Division 3 champions with a good team and we all thought we were on our way back! Those who think the 80s was ALL garbage might forget that. Anyway, at least following Wembley '88 I got back in the saddle and back to doing home regular and away trips. That still meant watching some absolute rubbish on and off, but as others have said, the friendships and the bonds which were formed in those tough times still endure today AND it gives a sense of perspective to things like our poor showing at West Ham in a PL game the other week!!!

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Post by RocketLawnChair » Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:40 pm

Jimmymaccer wrote:RLC yer right he was born in Manc but.....

Wikipedia....joined Burnley Youth Team in 1984...promoted to the senior squad in 1986....made his only first team appearance v Hereford deputising for the unavailable Neenan.....released that summer and played amateur football with Burnley Utd

I remember it not being his fault.....we were just garbage, it was sodding freezing and snowing and all he had to do was pick the ball out of his net...
I will be honest with you Maccer I know Tony very well. I actually lodged at his house for over 12 months in the early noughties and we are mates. He is a proud Manc and his parents still live there. He is a decent raconteur is Tony, The stories he tells about the Hereford game are actually hilarious. And the story of his night out with his in laws after the match is even funnier. He ended up in Burnley through none other than John Bond...
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Post by ralph » Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:43 pm

mmm the 80's second half of 79-80 was abysmal .. 80-1 passable .. 81-2 great season after a terrible start... 82-3 an opportunity missed ... 83-4 a gamble failed ... 84-5 very poor ... 85-6 a nothing season poor ... 86-7 enough said .... 87-8 opportunity missed by reaching Wembley ie:play-offs blown completely thinking of the AMC Final .... 88-9 good start then abysmal ... 89-90 another mundane poor season ...
black days in the main.

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Re: Were you here...?

Post by Jimmymaccer » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:04 pm

RLC.......

Nice one.....

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