ARTICLE: The Brady link

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Re: ARTICLE: The Brady link

Post by Shore claret » Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:52 pm

If he's already on 50 to 60 thousand a week why would he take a pay cut?
It doesn't mean he's greedy , if your offered that why wouldn't you take it?

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Post by jurek » Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:55 pm

I doubt very much that Brady's agent is pushing for 50k a week
unless he's just playing the system. That will probably be at least twice what he's likely to be on at Norwich.

If we have bid 13m for Brady then nobody actually knows whether we have or not.
O'Neil the Norwich manager doesn't seem to be aware and certainly nobody at Burnley have officially
confirmed that. If we have communicated with his agent one would presume we've given him an indication
of how much we're willing to pay him in salary.

So take all of this with a pinch of Salt.

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Re: ARTICLE: The Brady link

Post by Claretmatt4 » Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:55 pm

Shore claret wrote:If he's already on 50 to 60 thousand a week why would he take a pay cut?
It doesn't mean he's greedy , if your offered that why wouldn't you take it?
Nobody said he is on 50-60k a week, where have you plucked that figure from?

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Re: ARTICLE: The Brady link

Post by taio » Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:56 pm

Shore claret wrote:If he's already on 50 to 60 thousand a week why would he take a pay cut?
It doesn't mean he's greedy , if your offered that why wouldn't you take it?
Not earning that now

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Re: ARTICLE: The Brady link

Post by 100percentclaret » Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:03 pm

"The signing-on fee is one way round the problem but, as I say, there are exceptions to the rule this year and at least three are earning more than the others with an unsigned contract on the table for a player at £35k per week"

Will take a guess that it's Keane being offered 35k a week ??? Presume Defour is on more than 28k a week but can't think who the other two are.

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Re: ARTICLE: The Brady link

Post by randomclaret2 » Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:08 pm

Hendrick ?

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Re: ARTICLE: The Brady link

Post by boatshed bill » Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:10 pm

100percentclaret wrote:"The signing-on fee is one way round the problem but, as I say, there are exceptions to the rule this year and at least three are earning more than the others with an unsigned contract on the table for a player at £35k per week"

Will take a guess that it's Keane being offered 35k a week ??? Presume Defour is on more than 28k a week but can't think who the other two are.
I heard that Keane was offered £40k, could be bullshit though. But if true then at least he's performed to a standard that merits a top wage at Burnley.

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Re: ARTICLE: The Brady link

Post by Shore claret » Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:10 pm

Claretmatt4 wrote:Nobody said he is on 50-60k a week, where have you plucked that figure from?
Further back in the thread.

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Re: ARTICLE: The Brady link

Post by Claretmatt4 » Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:18 pm

Shore claret wrote:Further back in the thread.
I think what was said, with nothing to back it up, was that was what hi agent was holding out for at Burnley, not his current wage.

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Re: ARTICLE: The Brady link

Post by JonBerro » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:10 pm

Sunderland bid for him

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Re: ARTICLE: The Brady link

Post by Reecey1987 » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:44 pm

I thought sunderland had no money to spend ?

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Re: ARTICLE: The Brady link

Post by PaintYorkClaretnBlue » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:47 pm

Why would he go to Sunderland other than for the money, there's a good chance they'll be relegated.

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Post by joey13 » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:48 pm

And pay him with what ?

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Re: ARTICLE: The Brady link

Post by claretandy » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:52 pm

The Irish scout thinks he would choose us, just need to agree a fee.

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Re: ARTICLE: The Brady link

Post by Juan Tanamera » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:58 pm

joey13 wrote:And pay him with what ?
Maybe they've offered Jermaine Defoe in part exchange.

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Re: ARTICLE: The Brady link

Post by Royboyclaret » Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:53 pm

"Sunderland bid for him"


If there's any truth in the Sunderland bid it's probably worth looking at the deal they may be offering Brady.

in their last set of accounts, to Jun'15, their wage bill was a whopping £77milion compared to our £29.4million. Not difficult to assume therefore that their offer to Brady would meet at least the £50k per week his agent is allegedly seeking for the player. However, their accounts confirm the fact that they are skint with a net debt of £139million and required a further loan of £70million from owner Ellis Short's company during the year. Little wonder then that Moyes was told there was no money to spend but this news regarding Brady may well signal the departure of Defoe.

So basically it's decision time for Brady and his agent as to whether they prefer the prospect of likely PL football next season with Burnley or a higher wage with another potential relegation on his CV with Sunderland.

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Re: ARTICLE: The Brady link

Post by claretblue » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:00 pm

'...whether they prefer the prospect of likely PL football next season with Burnley or a higher wage with another potential relegation on his CV with Sunderland...'

come to Burnley Robbie...you know it makes sense! :D

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Re: ARTICLE: The Brady link

Post by dermotdermot » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:16 pm

I wish that he'd just get on with it and sign. Doesn't he realise the stress that we all seem to go through at this time of the year.

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Re: ARTICLE: The Brady link

Post by Paul Waine » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:17 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:"Sunderland bid for him"


If there's any truth in the Sunderland bid it's probably worth looking at the deal they may be offering Brady.

in their last set of accounts, to Jun'15, their wage bill was a whopping £77milion compared to our £29.4million. Not difficult to assume therefore that their offer to Brady would meet at least the £50k per week his agent is allegedly seeking for the player. However, their accounts confirm the fact that they are skint with a net debt of £139million and required a further loan of £70million from owner Ellis Short's company during the year. Little wonder then that Moyes was told there was no money to spend but this news regarding Brady may well signal the departure of Defoe.

So basically it's decision time for Brady and his agent as to whether they prefer the prospect of likely PL football next season with Burnley or a higher wage with another potential relegation on his CV with Sunderland.
If any of us were Sland fans and someone said that we were selling Defoe and Brady was the replacement what would we think? What does reject think)?

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Re: ARTICLE: The Brady link

Post by Royboyclaret » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:25 pm

"If any of us were Sland fans and someone said that we were selling Defoe and Brady was the replacement what would we think?"


We'd probably think that although taking a player off the wage bill that earns £80k per week is sensible, it probably confirms the relegation that was likely anyway. Oh, but they now have Brady.

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Re: ARTICLE: The Brady link

Post by Paul Waine » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:42 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:"If any of us were Sland fans and someone said that we were selling Defoe and Brady was the replacement what would we think?"


We'd probably think that although taking a player off the wage bill that earns £80k per week is sensible, it probably confirms the relegation that was likely anyway. Oh, but they now have Brady.
OK. I think I agree that selling Defoe is preparing for next season in Championship (they might not escape if he stays).

I agree, if Sland are "short of money" taking £80k per week off the wage bill will help.

If I was Brady, would I think "great, I'm going to get £50k a week - and be playing in the Championship again next season."

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Post by MrTopTier » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:47 pm

Palace are after Van Anholt, so Brady and obvious replacement.

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Post by boatshed bill » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:48 pm

Paul Waine wrote:OK. I think I agree that selling Defoe is preparing for next season in Championship (they might not escape if he stays).

I agree, if Sland are "short of money" taking £80k per week off the wage bill will help.

If I was Brady, would I think "great, I'm going to get £50k a week - and be playing in the Championship again next season."
And he could get another transfer to the EPl next season. I have to say that if I was Brady I'd go for the best wages.

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Post by Duffer_ » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:51 pm

I would want to share the time of my life with my best pal over a few more quid that I didn't really need.

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Re: ARTICLE: The Brady link

Post by Colburn_Claret » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:55 pm

It was rejected who brought it to our notice that Sunderland are 210Mil in debt. That being the case there is no way they can afford to buy anyone, even if they do off load Defoe. If they neglect there plight and go ahead anyway then the Football League should keep it in mind when they go tits up and kick them out of the league.

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Re: ARTICLE: The Brady link

Post by boatshed bill » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:59 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:It was rejected who brought it to our notice that Sunderland are 210Mil in debt. That being the case there is no way they can afford to buy anyone, even if they do off load Defoe. If they neglect there plight and go ahead anyway then the Football League should keep it in mind when they go tits up and kick them out of the league.
They wouldn't kick them out, not a chance.

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Re: ARTICLE: The Brady link

Post by mybloodisclaret » Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:09 pm

£210,000,000 wow, that is a big number!

It makes our local friend's debt look not too bad. Goes to show that paying whacking big salaries doesn't guarantee you anything I guess!

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Post by ecc » Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:13 pm

Leicester "reportedly" pulled out of the Brady race.

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Re: ARTICLE: The Brady link

Post by Cooperclaret » Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:17 pm

I'm changing my mind on this one. We have JBG who I would say is a better player than Brady on one side and Boydy on the other who has been fantastic this season and undroppable with the way he is playing.

We are not a club about paying high wages and never will be. £50,000 per week scares me - I don't want my club to do that.

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Re: ARTICLE: The Brady link

Post by mybloodisclaret » Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:18 pm

Good. They could have comfortably outbid us.

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Re: ARTICLE: The Brady link

Post by Reecey1987 » Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:19 pm

I dont know were everybody keeps getting this 50 k a week figure . Nobody knows how much he has been offered

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Re: ARTICLE: The Brady link

Post by Royboyclaret » Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:23 pm

Going back to the accounts, I'd suggest that the £210million is slightly exaggerated but not by much.

If they are relegated they will need to reduce their Wage bill massively but not necessarily straight away. They will have first year parachute payments of £48million to boost their Income and so will comply with FFP in the short term.

Nevertheless, unless they change their housekeeping pretty quickly they will soon follow the likes of Forest and Blackburn into the financial abyss.

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Re: ARTICLE: The Brady link

Post by Jakubs Tash » Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:30 pm

Cooperclaret wrote:I'm changing my mind on this one. We have JBG who I would say is a better player than Brady on one side and Boydy on the other who has been fantastic this season and undroppable with the way he is playing.

We are not a club about paying high wages and never will be. £50,000 per week scares me - I don't want my club to do that.
There's no doubt that Boyd has put some great shifts in recently and there will always be room for a George Boyd in a Sean Dyche squad BUT let's not kid ourselves that we don't desperately need to improve our play whilst in possession. We need better in wide areas - simple. It's a natural progression that better players will cost more money and demand higher wages (not that I'm suggesting we pay £50k a week wages).

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Post by DCWat » Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:30 pm

Cooperclaret wrote:I'm changing my mind on this one. We have JBG who I would say is a better player than Brady on one side and Boydy on the other who has been fantastic this season and undroppable with the way he is playing.

We are not a club about paying high wages and never will be. £50,000 per week scares me - I don't want my club to do that.
We have to compete at the 'lower end' premier league wage market to an extent but of course have to do so with caution. If this was a player another 6 or 8 years older, I would share the concerns. In fact though it's a player who is only just starting to come into his prime years and could well be sold at a significant profit.

The wages are a joke and we must speculate cautiously and sensibly in a mad market, but we have to do so if we wish to progress. Both Dyche and The Board are more than mindful of "not risking the future of the club".

Brady would be a fantastic acquisition on many fronts.

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Re: ARTICLE: The Brady link

Post by Steddyman » Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:38 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:I dont know were everybody keeps getting this 50 k a week figure . Nobody knows how much he has been offered
If things are being done by the book, nothing has been offered. Until the club accept our transfer offer, we cannot talk to the player. Once the offer is accepted we then negotiate personal terms (wages) with the player.

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Post by mkmel » Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:39 pm

Bet Victor have us as 4/5 favourites to sign Robbie Brady

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Post by SSCLARET » Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:41 pm

mkmel wrote:Bet Victor have us as 4/5 favourites to sign Robbie Brady


Sky Sports reporting Sunderland have offered £10 million for Brady.
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Post by Reecey1987 » Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:43 pm

Still nobody knows what he will be offered if we do have our bid accepted . My guess 35 ,40 k tops

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Post by Cooperclaret » Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:47 pm

Agreed Brady will be a great signing I'm sure however, I think we have something very special with JBG and we should nurture him because he is going to be one hell of a player.

Again, Boyd is playing fantastic and for this season has earned his place.

Where does Brady fit in ? Now - this season ??

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Post by Bin Ont Turf » Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:51 pm

Cooperclaret wrote: Where does Brady fit in ? Now - this season ??
Where does any player we sign fit in? Should we not bother?

He's potentially an upgrade on Kightly and Arfield, which is where he fits in.

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Post by Firthy » Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:56 pm

Leicester pulled out.
Palace signed Schlup
Sunderland have no money and likely to be relegated
No guarantee Villa or Newcastle will get promoted
If we can meet their valuation and pay him a decent wage then it looks promising. Has his best mate and Ward here, premiership football and best chance of starting.

Looks to good to be true, Burnley transfers never go smoothly

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Re: ARTICLE: The Brady link

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:00 pm

Steddyman wrote:If things are being done by the book, nothing has been offered. Until the club accept our transfer offer, we cannot talk to the player. Once the offer is accepted we then negotiate personal terms (wages) with the player.

Pretty sure we will have spoken to his agent to get an idea of wages before making a bid otherwise it would be a total waste of our time.

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Re: ARTICLE: The Brady link

Post by Vegas Claret » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:02 pm

some folk on here make me chuckle - "I don't want my club paying 50k a week"

Whilst we can't pay it now, if we stay up then we will -that's bog standard for the Premier League. If you want us to pay 15k then we'll need to be relegated at least one division

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Post by Royboyclaret » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:09 pm

Vegas........There's no way the club would jump from a ceiling of £28k to £50k in one season.

We will eventually pay wages of £50k per week IF we maintain our PL status but not immediately. I know that puts us at a disadvantage with every other club in the Prem but Burnley are a unique club and we do things our way.

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Post by jurek » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:28 pm

'Vegas........There's no way the club would jump from a ceiling of £28k to £50k in one season.'

Agree that this is unlikely especially at Burnley.

However, if they're feeling confident about staying up then they might just do so.
Even if our wage bill went above 40m+ then, if we stay up, we could afford it.
Certainly we could have a number of players on 50k a week next season if that be the case.
That would still leave us with 50m+ for new players next season.

I'm sure there will be a relegation clause in any incoming players' contracts and, if we did go down
(god forbid given the position we're in at present) then we know we could have
30m+ coming in for say our two best players (Keane and Gray) not that I would wish for us to sell them.
But we may not have any choice especially if they want to go.

So, as Royboy states we will eventually have to pay 50k a week IF we maintain our PL status.
It isn't therefore inconceivable that we may push the boat out for one or two now.

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Post by Royboyclaret » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:39 pm

"Even if our wage bill went above 40m+ then, if we stay up, we could afford it."


jurek.........Sadly there's a flaw in that argument. When the accounts are available for this current financial year the total Wage bill will be around £38million and that's with a wage ceiling in place of £28k per week. So to increase the ceiling immediately to £50k per week would increase the overall Wage bill to a figure that would'nt be currently sustainable within our Income.

It has to be small steps for Burnley but eventually we can get there.
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Post by KRBFC » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:41 pm

Cooperclaret wrote:Agreed Brady will be a great signing I'm sure however, I think we have something very special with JBG and we should nurture him because he is going to be one hell of a player.

Again, Boyd is playing fantastic and for this season has earned his place.

Where does Brady fit in ? Now - this season ??
Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Do you even watch games?
We had Defour playing left wing at the weekend but we don't have room for a quality winger like Brady in the squad :lol: hilarious

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Re: ARTICLE: The Brady link

Post by randomclaret2 » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:42 pm

Hi Roy...if our maximum is 28k, then presumably the average is somewhat lower. We have a senioir squad of 23 and another 12 or so in the Development Squad who won't be on much. How is the £38m arrived at ?

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Post by Royboyclaret » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:55 pm

random.......the fag packet calculation is basically as follows :- ........

........We know for a fact that the last accounts included a Wage bill of £29.4milion, which was to Jun'15 and was based on a wage cap that season of £22k per week. Last season would see that figure reduced as a result of relegation clauses but my information is that currently we have a ceiling in place of £28k with just a handful of notable exceptions (for instance I mentioned earlier there is an unsigned contract on the table for one player at £35k per week).

So the jump to £28k from £22k based on the £29.4million should see a ballpark £38million this year. Hope that makes sense.

Incidentally, it's worth a mention that there are upwards of 190 employees on the payroll, some of whom (excluding the players) are earning a not inconsiderable amount.

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Post by randomclaret2 » Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:06 pm

Thanks Roy...I appreciate your reply. It just seems that the overall wage bill would indicate a slightly higher weekly ceiling than 28k. If we assume the likes of O'Neill, Long, Pope, Darikwa etc. will be on a fair bit less than 28k and the average over the 23 man squad is perhaps 20k, that is £1m per year each or £23million in total. The dev. squad cannot total more than perhaps £1m, which still leaves a fair jump to £38 million ?

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