https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYaN9z0OqDg

Of course 'Nazi' these days means 'Zionist' or 'Daily Mail Reader' or Milo or Starbucks or anyone who disagrees with the 'left'....

I'll await the list of posters who will slavishly **** themselves into a frenzy to agree with you.

Meanwhile, here is an actual Nazi getting punched, and its exactly what he deserves.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/01/21/a-white-s ... s-6396717/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Lancasterclaret wrote:I'll await the list of posters who will slavishly **** themselves into a frenzy to agree with you.

Meanwhile, here is an actual Nazi getting punched, and its exactly what he deserves.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/01/21/a-white-s ... s-6396717/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Notice how it's not even a protester punching him, it's a black bloc anarchist. But some people would like you to believe that he's the typical left-wing demonstrator.

Furthermore, Richard Spencer is deplorable and says deporable **** but he's not committing any crimes when he's saying it. The moment you punch him you're a criminal and as much as you might think he deserves it you're still a criminal and he's not. And that's the way I like it, i'd much rather the assaulter be the criminal than the person saying scumbaggy stuff. People like Spencer, through his chosen ideology, implicitely want it to be legal for people to go around punching dissenters and criminal for dissenters to speak up. Liberalism is the opposite of that.

Someone has hacked turtles account and made a borderline balanced comment.

Lancasterclaret wrote:I'll await the list of posters who will slavishly **** themselves into a frenzy to agree with you.

Meanwhile, here is an actual Nazi getting punched, and its exactly what he deserves.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/01/21/a-white-s ... s-6396717/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You condone that do you Lancaster? Shame on you.

Lancasterclaret wrote:I'll await the list of posters who will slavishly **** themselves into a frenzy to agree with you.

Meanwhile, here is an actual Nazi getting punched, and its exactly what he deserves.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/01/21/a-white-s ... s-6396717/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Spencer is a **** bag no doubt about it, but the second you use violence as a means of shutting him down from speaking, you become a terrorist.

That said, I'd love to have a pop at some of these ANTIFA tossers who are beating innocent people and pepper spraying women.

Violence begets violence. Stupid and infantile even on a footy site to be seen to promote and support it. There are so many other options especially in democratic societies.

Lancasterclaret wrote:I'll await the list of posters who will slavishly **** themselves into a frenzy to agree with you.

Meanwhile, here is an actual Nazi getting punched, and its exactly what he deserves.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/01/21/a-white-s ... s-6396717/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What? he deserves getting assaulted by a coward who hid his face.

Punching Nazi's eh, is this trending?

So on the list we've got NASA, The Royals, the Bush family tree, the Clintons, Fox, CNN, Sky and Trump.

My wrists can't handle all that, I'm gonna need a team.

Corky wrote:Violence begets violence. Stupid and infantile even on a footy site to be seen to promote and support it. There are so many other options especially in democratic societies.

There are quite a few on here who find violence funny, or pleasing, when it's commited against those they dislike or disagree with. Some have already posted in this thread. But they'll pretend to be outraged by Lancasters post because they are, as they've always been, huge hypocrites.

There is a time and a place for direct action.

I've got to be honest, Nazis deserve all they get.

Lancasterclaret wrote:I'll await the list of posters who will slavishly **** themselves into a frenzy to agree with you.

Meanwhile, here is an actual Nazi getting punched, and its exactly what he deserves.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/01/21/a-white-s ... s-6396717/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I think he's a git as well, but not as big a git as the coward that sucker punched him and ran away.

Love all the righteous indignation from you all.
For some reason it reminded me of the blues brothers.
These are the same people who hung people from bridges and trees. They murdered the peaceful protesters,Remember?
They hide their heads in white pointy hats. I think a bitch slap would have been funnier.
Come on, its not like he was dragged into a camp,starved and forced into labor, before being gassed to death and incinerated, is it?
Sure , prosecute the guy for assault, if that eases your offended consciences. But there is no denying just how funny it is.

That depends on your sense of humour, some people think that people swinging from bridges is funny. Different sides of the same coin.

Never a truer work spoken Tom

Some on this board need to move to this place

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38881349" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

BennyD wrote:I think he's a git as well, but not as big a git as the coward that sucker punched him and ran away.

So someone who punches a Nazi and runs off is a 'bigger git' than an actual Nazi, in your opinion. I think that says a lot about you.

Well it says a lot about me too JM. In a democracy we're all entitled to an opinion, and the gentleman, as obnoxious as he may be, was being interviewed legitimately.... and then a coward punched him. In the scene t's the coward that's wrong, and not because he's a coward. You can't just go around punching people. To do so is imposing an opposite ideal, violently, and criminally, and so yes, a bigger git

I'm not condoning the attacker, by the way. I don't think violence is the answer to opinions that you find disgusting. He committed a crime and would be dealt with by the law if caught.

That said, I find it impossible to reach a place where I think a man who commits common assault (punching someone) is a worse person, or a 'bigger git' than someone who holds the views and beliefs of a genuine Nazi.

to be fair, if you're going to market yourself as an abhorrent nazi ****, you should probably realise you're going to upset someone enough that they want to punch you.

not that it makes the puncher right.

it is kind of tough tits for the nazi though.

I understand, but hopefully we would defend the rights of the under-represented, the oppressed, the victimized etc vehemently. By the same token the checks and balances require us to apply the same standard to him

JohnMcGreal wrote:So someone who punches a Nazi and runs off is a 'bigger git' than an actual Nazi, in your opinion. I think that says a lot about you.

All it says about me is that I think the coward that did the punching is a bigger git the guy getting punched. The 'nazi', as far as you know has never hurt anything in his life, all we know is that he has right wing views, whereas the coward that hit him is disposed towards casual violence. If you think that is worth a sucker punch to the face from a violent coward, that says a lot about you.

BennyD wrote:All it says about me is that I think the coward that did the punching is a bigger git the guy getting punched. The 'nazi', as far as you know has never hurt anything in his life, all we know is that he has right wing views, whereas the coward that hit him is disposed towards casual violence. If you think that is worth a sucker punch to the face from a violent coward, that says a lot about you.

Do you think Richard Spencer holds mere right-wing views, BennyD? You might want to do a bit of research and you'll see that his views are much more extreme than that.

As for your last sentence, I refer you to the first part of my previous post (#21).

If it started face to face with verbals and then escalated into physical violence as a result of which Spencer got battered, then fair enough. However, it didn't; it started with a known (extreme) right winger being lawfully interviewed, in the course of which he was violently attacked from the side by a masked assailant. I think Spencer is a git and have said so from the beginning, I refer you to #12, but I still think the guy that hit him is a bigger git. Btw, we don't know for sure why he was hit; we can assume it was because of what he was saying but it could be anything. Perhaps Spencer owed the guy money, rogered his girlfriend, dented his car etc. What if the guy getting hit was a hard left Trotski? I bet you would have been yelling with indignation how the right are just violent bigots.

In a lot of places it's the done thing to punch nazis. In Burnley they just elect them to the town council instead. Explains a lot of posts on UTC over the last year or so from the usual suspects.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nYaN9z0OqDg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Nazis" has suffered huge definition inflation recently.
It now seems to be used to describe anybody who disagrees with "left wing liberal" views. Believe in controlling immigration? then you're a nazi Believe that the culture your forefathers battled to establish shouldn't be thrown away? then you're a nazi. Believe that there's an alternative political viewpoint to left/liberalism? then you're a nazi; etc etc
Some people need a history lesson in exactly what the Nazis believed in and did.

There's a huge irony in the idea that you think someone is a fascist so you violently prevent him from speaking. Do you then go on to burn his books?

LeadBelly wrote:"Nazis" has suffered huge definition inflation recently.
It now seems to be used to describe anybody who disagrees with "left wing liberal" views. Believe in controlling immigration? then you're a nazi Believe that the culture your forefathers battled to establish shouldn't be thrown away? then you're a nazi. Believe that there's an alternative political viewpoint to left/liberalism? then you're a nazi; etc etc
Some people need a history lesson in exactly what the Nazis believed in and did.

Go away and read all of the disgusting comments made by Richard Spencer over the years, then come back and tell me that he's not a bona fide Nazi.

For me it is quite simple; in a democracy you discuss and yes argue as well, but fighting only incites further violence.

These days your a 'Nazi' if you just express national pride and usually by paid left wing provocateurs who hide their faces..

they are the real fascist ****...

SmudgetheClaret wrote:These days your a 'Nazi' if you just express national pride and usually by paid left wing provocateurs who hide their faces..

they are the real fascist ****...

Do you know who Richard Spencer is? Do you think he's just a bloke who expresses national pride?

JohnMcGreal "Go away and read all of the disgusting comments made by Richard Spencer over the years, then come back and tell me that he's not a bona fide Nazi."
I'm not going away anywhere & have no interest in Richard Spencer one way or the other. I didnt say anything about him, don't know who he is.
My point was general re people being labelled "nazi", there's nothing in my post about that guy. I stand by my point.
Why don't you stop pontificating & telling people what to do.

LeadBelly wrote:JohnMcGreal "Go away and read all of the disgusting comments made by Richard Spencer over the years, then come back and tell me that he's not a bona fide Nazi."
I'm not going away anywhere & have no interest in Richard Spencer one way or the other. I didnt say anything about him, don't know who he is.
My point was general re people being labelled "nazi", there's nothing in my post about that guy. I stand by my point.
Why don't you stop pontificating & telling people what to do.

So you're not going to familiarise yourself with the Nazi that this thread is primarily about (the Nazi who got punched).

Instead, you're just going to complain about anybody who disagrees with "left wing liberal" views being labeled a Nazi.

Right then.

LeadBelly wrote:"Nazis" has suffered huge definition inflation recently.

it has but you could say exactly the same about 'liberal' and 'left wing'.

its one of the worst things about the way the world is shaping up, there's a real failure at both ends of the spectrum to acknowledge that there is a middle ground. too many people are becoming massively polarised and, frankly, abusive.

JMcGreal. The thread title is "punching Nazis" not "punching J Spencer" or "is J Spencer a Nazi".

The script in the first post is "Of course 'Nazi' these days means 'Zionist' or 'Daily Mail Reader' or Milo or Starbucks or anyone who disagrees with the 'left'.
The link in the first post shows a cartoon hipster singing to an adapted George Formby song - seems a fairly ironic animation to me.
It's true that the 2nd post links to a vid of J Spencer getting attacked but I think my comments were completely pertinent to the OP and I still don't feel obliged to look up who J Spencer is.

If someone calls someone a Nazi unfairly then stop listening to them. Likewise if someone calls another a racist unfairly then ignore them. But just because some people use those terms too liberally doesn't absolve you when you decide to paint everyone who broadly shares left-wing views as people who use those terms too much, nor does it make it OK for you to dismiss out of hand those of us who actually use those descriptions correctly just because some others another time didn't.

dsr wrote:There's a huge irony in the idea that you think someone is a fascist so you violently prevent him from speaking. Do you then go on to burn his books?

kind of the point I'm making DSR - there's far too much Trump and right-wing white-washing going on. Democrats are rapidly losing the moral high ground on the basis of their behavior is becoming standardized noise regardless of validity.

Still the Democrats basically awarded the election through their institutionalized complacency, and it speaks volumes there's no word from ts leadership - the lack of noise is deafening

IT, IMO, there is some merit to what you say however, if the terms Nazi and Racist are overused the tendency is assume that the person saying it is shouting wolf once too often, and the stigma attatched to those terms is lost.

Charlie talks about black bloc anarchists like they are not a branch of the liberal left.
The fact that some liberals on here condone their cowardly behaviour, because they sneakily assault people with different views than the liberal left kind of emphases this.
The liberals are displaying all the behavioural traits of facism since democracy stopped working for them.
Who was it that said 'in the future, fascists will call themselves anti fascists?

Surprised that some of the luvvies on here are condoning a violent group assault on an unsuspecting guy.

Sure he may be an odious clown but wetting their pants in excitement over this cretin being sucker punched is sadly the sort of thing we come to expect from the left " do as I say not as I do"

If someone really really wants to go toe to toe with their opposite political number well I suppose that's kinda fair enough ,but cowardly group attacks are exactly that,the preserve of cowards

Is great fun

Imploding Turtle wrote:If someone calls someone a Nazi unfairly then stop listening to them. Likewise if someone calls another a racist unfairly then ignore them. But just because some people use those terms too liberally doesn't absolve you when you decide to paint everyone who broadly shares left-wing views as people who use those terms too much, nor does it make it OK for you to dismiss out of hand those of us who actually use those descriptions correctly just because some others another time didn't.

Just because you stop listening to them doesn't mean everyone else around at the time will. These people cause serious damage with their slurs and out and out lies about people who's views they don't like.

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Just because you stop listening to them doesn't mean everyone else around at the time will. These people cause serious damage with their slurs and out and out lies about people who's views they don't like.

You're not responsible for everyone else, you're responsible for yourself. Just because other people are allowing these people to damage discourse doesn't mean you should too. If you can't stop yourself then that's down to you.

Damo wrote:Charlie talks about black bloc anarchists like they are not a branch of the liberal left.

Thats because they're not. They're left wing extremists, sure, but nothing about them is liberal.

Just because you stop listening to them doesn't mean everyone else around at the time will. These people cause serious damage with their slurs and out and out lies about people who's views they don't like.

As long as we are aware that its not just a left thing that is perfectly fine.

Lancasterclaret wrote:As long as we are aware that its not just a left thing that is perfectly fine.

Exactly. An argument could be made that in recent years it has been some on the right that have been misusing "nazi" more. It's impossible to talk about feminist issues without someone using the term "feminazi". Even autocorrect offers it when you type "femi".

Imploding Turtle wrote:If someone calls someone a Nazi unfairly then stop listening to them. Likewise if someone calls another a racist unfairly then ignore them. But just because some people use those terms too liberally doesn't absolve you when you decide to paint everyone who broadly shares left-wing views as people who use those terms too much, nor does it make it OK for you to dismiss out of hand those of us who actually use those descriptions correctly just because some others another time didn't.

Thank you for explaining why `I choose to ignore you`.Good Bye

FCBurnley wrote:Thank you for explaining why `I choose to ignore you`.Good Bye

I called you racist because you repeatedly used Obama's middle name while never referring to other presidents by theirs. Unless you can offer an explanation for why calling Obama "hussain" over and over but never Bush "walker" or Clinton "jefferson" or Trump "John" then it becomes transparently racist.

And this isn't just me and you, an awful lot of people on the right in your country repeatedly emphasised his middle name for exactly the same reason you do, including President Cheeto Benito.