Naivety will cost us dearly ...

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:16 pm

With a very difficult fixture coming up which we can all but write off, we then have the dreaded four away games and no home game until april.

Our 10 point margin could be all but clawed back, particularly given that these away games are at Hull, Sunderland where we have a terrible record and Swansea where its equally poor..... Lose them and we will be in the more with none of the sides around us to come at fortress turf moor. It then becomes very much out of our hands. I think Seans naivety both from a tactical and a decision making point of view is going to cost us dear.

Three things stand out for me -

1) our approach away from home. Its so different from at home. Its negative and invites pressure. We lack confidence and teams thrive on this. Its still the same game on the same pitch with the same players. So its inexcusable to only have one point away in January

2) his decision to field full strength sides in the cup. We have seen with injuries to defour and marney that with the intensity in which we play this has and will cost us. The cup isnt and shouldnt be the priority. So players who have struggled for consistent fitness shouldnt feature. By that i mean marney and defour. With Bartons pending ban we face the very real possiblilty of starting with a cm two of westwood who doesnt know the system and framework and anyone of arfield or tarkowski. Loaning out oneill has amplified this

3 - Transfers. We were after Brady for a long time. We knew we needed him. We identified him last year. So why wait until the last minute. Had he been integrated when we bought Barton he would have started at watford and been Dyche fit. Instead hes had another month at left back in the championship.

I like Dyche he has been great for us. But his naivety will be the reason we go down. Either way at the end of the season I think a fresh approach is needed. Lets shake hands, thank each other for the memories and both move on to better things that suit us both. We dont want Dyche memories to be like Arsenal with Wenger or worse us with Coyle. He would be a fantastic fit for Villa or a club like that trying to get back up. Hes used to two games a week. He likes that. We need a more progressive forward thinking manager like Silva. Someone who can change our style when we need and tap into european markets and push from where we are to where we really could be.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:22 pm

Next weeks lottery numbers please?

If we're going down, whack 100 quid on at 14/1.

Seriously though, you make some interesting points, and I already made similar, albeit regarding our away form, historically speaking. But, this is football, and anything can happen. You'd like to think we'll get points away from home before the end of the season. History suggests we won't, and that we've failed twice so we'll fail again (at staying up).

However, I do feel this team is different from that of two years ago, both in maturity and quality.

Time will tell.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:23 pm

Or we could win 10pts in the next 5 games and be safe

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:24 pm

You're fishing aren't you, wanting Dyche out at the end of the season?
Or you're actually crazy?

I could do a comprehensive break down of your drivel if you want, in a bit, but I just want to clarify my first two questions first.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:25 pm

Is this post a really wordy joke?

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:26 pm

With a few bit's I've heard - there are some players who are losing faith in Dyche also the longer this away form continues.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:28 pm

What have you heard and where from? Let me guess, you can't say..? Convenient.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:29 pm

Are you aware that our last 4 away fixtures have seen us lose by just a single goal against Spurs, Man City, Arsenal and Watford - the latter having to compete with a player less for 90 minutes?

Edit - and there was nothing wrong with our tactical approach or performance in any of those games.

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:30 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:What have you heard and where from? Let me guess, you can't say..? Convenient.

I can't say

Due to other info I also get (that's on here from time to time) and not letting my sources out.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:31 pm

some interesting points.
regarding the Brady transfer, I'm sure we'd have loved to have got him in sooner. can't blame Dyche for the late business in the window.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:33 pm

bfccrazy wrote:With a very difficult fixture coming up which we can all but write off, we then have the dreaded four away games and no home game until april.

Our 10 point margin could be all but clawed back, particularly given that these away games are at Hull, Sunderland where we have a terrible record and Swansea where its equally poor..... Lose them and we will be in the more with none of the sides around us to come at fortress turf moor. It then becomes very much out of our hands. I think Seans naivety both from a tactical and a decision making point of view is going to cost us dear.

Three things stand out for me -

1) our approach away from home. Its so different from at home. Its negative and invites pressure. We lack confidence and teams thrive on this. Its still the same game on the same pitch with the same players. So its inexcusable to only have one point away in January

2) his decision to field full strength sides in the cup. We have seen with injuries to defour and marney that with the intensity in which we play this has and will cost us. The cup isnt and shouldnt be the priority. So players who have struggled for consistent fitness shouldnt feature. By that i mean marney and defour. With Bartons pending ban we face the very real possiblilty of starting with a cm two of westwood who doesnt know the system and framework and anyone of arfield or tarkowski. Loaning out oneill has amplified this

3 - Transfers. We were after Brady for a long time. We knew we needed him. We identified him last year. So why wait until the last minute. Had he been integrated when we bought Barton he would have started at watford and been Dyche fit. Instead hes had another month at left back in the championship.

I like Dyche he has been great for us. But his naivety will be the reason we go down. Either way at the end of the season I think a fresh approach is needed. Lets shake hands, thank each other for the memories and both move on to better things that suit us both. We dont want Dyche memories to be like Arsenal with Wenger or worse us with Coyle. He would be a fantastic fit for Villa or a club like that trying to get back up. Hes used to two games a week. He likes that. We need a more progressive forward thinking manager like Silva. Someone who can change our style when we need and tap into european markets and push from where we are to where we really could be.

1) Our approach away from home in recent games has been perfectly fine
2) We haven't fielded full strength sides in the cup, that's a load of pap
3) We couldn't sign Brady until Norwich decided to sell him, which was on deadline day

For someone who usually makes decent contributions to this board I'm surprised how diabolical this post is.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:35 pm

bfccrazy wrote:With a few bit's I've heard - there are some players who are losing faith in Dyche also the longer this away form continues.

How can players be losing faith when we are winning at home fairly comfortably and looking like we'll stop up?

With odds of around 11/1 to be relegated they offer a good chance to make a few quid if we go down.

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:35 pm

bfccrazy wrote:With a very difficult fixture coming up which we can all but write off, we then have the dreaded four away games and no home game until april.

Our 10 point margin could be all but clawed back, particularly given that these away games are at Hull, Sunderland where we have a terrible record and Swansea where its equally poor..... Lose them and we will be in the more with none of the sides around us to come at fortress turf moor. It then becomes very much out of our hands. I think Seans naivety both from a tactical and a decision making point of view is going to cost us dear.

Three things stand out for me -

1) our approach away from home. Its so different from at home. Its negative and invites pressure. We lack confidence and teams thrive on this. Its still the same game on the same pitch with the same players. So its inexcusable to only have one point away in January

2) his decision to field full strength sides in the cup. We have seen with injuries to defour and marney that with the intensity in which we play this has and will cost us. The cup isnt and shouldnt be the priority. So players who have struggled for consistent fitness shouldnt feature. By that i mean marney and defour. With Bartons pending ban we face the very real possiblilty of starting with a cm two of westwood who doesnt know the system and framework and anyone of arfield or tarkowski. Loaning out oneill has amplified this

3 - Transfers. We were after Brady for a long time. We knew we needed him. We identified him last year. So why wait until the last minute. Had he been integrated when we bought Barton he would have started at watford and been Dyche fit. Instead hes had another month at left back in the championship.

I like Dyche he has been great for us. But his naivety will be the reason we go down. Either way at the end of the season I think a fresh approach is needed. Lets shake hands, thank each other for the memories and both move on to better things that suit us both. We dont want Dyche memories to be like Arsenal with Wenger or worse us with Coyle. He would be a fantastic fit for Villa or a club like that trying to get back up. Hes used to two games a week. He likes that. We need a more progressive forward thinking manager like Silva. Someone who can change our style when we need and tap into european markets and push from where we are to where we really could be.

3 Things stand out for me with this post.
1) It's a load of ********
2)It's a load of ********.
3)Yeah you guessed it ********.

Claretnick · Post by **Claretnick** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:38 pm

Re Marney and the FA Cup, checked the match reports and Dean has not played in that cup competition this season..

Holtyclaret · Post by **Holtyclaret** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:39 pm

Quite possibly the worst and stupidest op ever on Clarets mad or UTC and that takes some doing, well done.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:41 pm

Don't really agree with anything in the original post. You don't have a source and I think you've made that bit up about the players. Yes one point by mid Feb away is p*ss poor but there are excuses whether you like them or not.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:43 pm

If the players have lost faith in Dyche they will simply be moved on in the summer. Only one winner there.

Cooperclaret · Post by **Cooperclaret** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:44 pm

Sound familiar Anyone ????

Sad and seriously pathetic but it gets "clicks"

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:46 pm

At the end of the day its difficuly to disagree that there is something fundamentally wrong away from home. I think its engrained deeper than the manager though as its been the same each time we have been there.

I think the little old burnley thing helps us at home. But away its a hindrance. We need to simplify things. As the op rightly points out away is the same players the same teams the same pitch size the same rules the same game. Just not in our comfort zone.

Why can we dominate leicester but get panned away against them. Its clearly a psychological thing nothing more.

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:48 pm

bfccrazy wrote:With a very difficult fixture coming up which we can all but write off, we then have the dreaded four away games and no home game until april.

Our 10 point margin could be all but clawed back, particularly given that these away games are at Hull, Sunderland where we have a terrible record and Swansea where its equally poor..... Lose them and we will be in the more with none of the sides around us to come at fortress turf moor. It then becomes very much out of our hands. I think Seans naivety both from a tactical and a decision making point of view is going to cost us dear.

Three things stand out for me -

1) our approach away from home. Its so different from at home. Its negative and invites pressure. We lack confidence and teams thrive on this. Its still the same game on the same pitch with the same players. So its inexcusable to only have one point away in January

2) his decision to field full strength sides in the cup. We have seen with injuries to defour and marney that with the intensity in which we play this has and will cost us. The cup isnt and shouldnt be the priority. So players who have struggled for consistent fitness shouldnt feature. By that i mean marney and defour. With Bartons pending ban we face the very real possiblilty of starting with a cm two of westwood who doesnt know the system and framework and anyone of arfield or tarkowski. Loaning out oneill has amplified this

3 - Transfers. We were after Brady for a long time. We knew we needed him. We identified him last year. So why wait until the last minute. Had he been integrated when we bought Barton he would have started at watford and been Dyche fit. Instead hes had another month at left back in the championship.

I like Dyche he has been great for us. But his naivety will be the reason we go down. Either way at the end of the season I think a fresh approach is needed. Lets shake hands, thank each other for the memories and both move on to better things that suit us both. We dont want Dyche memories to be like Arsenal with Wenger or worse us with Coyle. He would be a fantastic fit for Villa or a club like that trying to get back up. Hes used to two games a week. He likes that. We need a more progressive forward thinking manager like Silva. Someone who can change our style when we need and tap into european markets and push from where we are to where we really could be.

I fully agree pal. Wel see come may

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:51 pm

Question is, why are Leicester having exactly the same problems?

Regardless of their poor form you'd expect them to get at least one win away from home by now.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:51 pm

Spijed wrote:Question is, why are Leicester having exactly the same problems?

Regardless of their poor form you'd expect them to get at least one win away from home by now.

Psychological pressure.

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:52 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:At the end of the day its difficuly to disagree that there is something fundamentally wrong away from home. I think its engrained deeper than the manager though as its been the same each time we have been there.

I think the little old burnley thing helps us at home. But away its a hindrance. We need to simplify things. As the op rightly points out away is the same players the same teams the same pitch size the same rules the same game. Just not in our comfort zone.

Why can we dominate leicester but get panned away against them. Its clearly a psychological thing nothing more.

Winning at home is a habit - But losing away seems one too now.

It's almost as if we're scared to go at a team when we're not in a BB postcode - a fresh approach could be a great thing.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:53 pm

bfccrazy wrote:Winning at home is a habit - But losing away seems one too now.

It's almost as if we're scared to go at a team when we're not in a BB postcode - a fresh approach could be a great thing.

In fairness we did have a go at Spurs and Arsenal for example creating a few chances.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:53 pm

Its not even a fresh approach. Just play the same formula away as at home. We will get a few more spankings but ultimately accrue more points.

We should have took the game to leicester, west ham and watford. And against ten man at united, city and arsenal never have a better chance there.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:54 pm

Shame, I'd always thought of bfccrazy as a really good poster, but this is just ridiculous.

Pleas tell me it's a wind-up.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:54 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Its not even a fresh approach. Just play the same formula away as at home. We will get a few more spankings but ultimately accrue more points.

We should have took the game to leicester, west ham and watford. And against ten man at united, city and arsenal never have a better chance there.

We did have a good go against Watford though.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:56 pm

Spijed wrote:We did have a good go against Watford though.

To a certain extent. But arfield starting was reverting to type. We played the same 11 and system thats won us 1 point away all season.
Acknowledge the red didnt help.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:59 pm

Leicester haven't won away from home all season, Boro have won once I think.
Now we've got Brady I'd expect something to change especially with Gudmundsson also back.

Its just one of those seasons really that's a little different to normal, like last season with Leicester finishing as champions.

Brady we couldn't sign until Norwich were ready, something you'll already be aware of from reading this forum.
If you weren't aware then you didn't spend anytime on here in January.

Wasn't a full strength side against Accy, but whilst we have a cushion in the league why not go for a cup if the chance presents itself?

As for waving goodbye to Dyche in the summer, you're clearly taking drugs, fishing or just plain crazy.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:00 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:To a certain extent. But arfield starting was reverting to type. We played the same 11 and system thats won us 1 point away all season.
Acknowledge the red didnt help.

But we'll have to play the same 11 if you want us to use the same formula that we do at home.

And we are only about to start playing our direct relegation rivals (aside from Leicester, who have had a few good results at home anyway).

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:06 pm

Spijed wrote:But we'll have to play the same 11 if you want us to use the same formula that we do at home.

And we are only about to start playing our direct relegation rivals (aside from Leicester, who have had a few good results at home anyway).

when i say same formula i mean positive approach. regularly benching an 8m 50 cap international away from home and not starting a 13m international winger isnt really that

the containing approach hasnt worked. in fact against the weakest teams away its been even worse.

we couldnt even score at accy or sunderland and thats a worry

k90bfc · Post by **k90bfc** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:18 pm

In the Sun today,not ONE pundit,had us down for Relegation,Thats a first,onwards and upwards,Keep The Faith.UTC!

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:20 pm

I've read some unbelievable bo11ox on this board over the years, but I don't ever recall anybody crammiming so much utter bo11ocks into a single post as the OP has here.

Take a bow , my man.

Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:31 pm

bfccrazy wrote:With a few bit's I've heard - there are some players who are losing faith in Dyche also the longer this away form continues.

I heard that you are talking crap

No Ney Never · Post by **No Ney Never** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:36 pm

Say goodbye to Dyche

Milltown1882 · Post by **Milltown1882** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:38 pm

I agree with the OP. There's an incredible amount of naivety in people acting like we're effectively safe when we're far from it. 1 point away all season and running out of home games fast (3 of those being Chelsea, Spurs and United who are all pushing at the top).

On the topic of Dyche he's done great things for the club but he isn't a big player manager. He can't manage Defour without leaks of rumours of moves to China etc and there comes a point where if we do stay up we will have to attract bigger higher profile players and I don't think Dyche will ever be that level of manager.

Some things need to change as the picture could look extremely different by the next time we play at home in the league after Chelsea.

taio · Post by **taio** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:40 pm

Crikey there's some complete hysterical bullshit on this thread by more than one poster. Laughable nonsense.

Cooperclaret · Post by **Cooperclaret** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:43 pm

Click £££££££££££

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:46 pm

The away games coming up are not to be feared: we'll be fine!!!

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:54 pm

bfccrazy wrote: We need a more progressive forward thinking manager like Silva.

Someone who's had just a few games in charge, a bit of a nobody and he's suddenly the next messiah!

What about Paul Clement at Swansea? He's given them a bit of a lift, but most managers do when they come in.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:57 pm

Spijed wrote:Someone who's had just a few games in charge, a bit of a nobody and he's suddenly the next messiah!

What about Paul Clement at Swansea? He's given them a bit of a lift, but most managers do when they come in.

To be fair Silvas recoerd is very impressive everywhere he has been.

gawthorpe_view · Post by **gawthorpe_view** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 9:25 pm

No Ney Never wrote:Say goodbye to Dyche

I'll add a few more if you don't mind.

ian · Post by **ian** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:23 pm

Blackrod wrote:Don't really agree with anything in the original post.

What about the grammar?

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:32 pm

Bonkers, completely bonkers.
I think we're all agreed we're nowhere near safe yet, we need, probably, three wins/ nine points. I'm pretty sure some of them will come from away games against our so-called relegation rivals.
For God's sake, folks, we're playing well, have some faith.

Dano1bfc · Post by **Dano1bfc** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:34 pm

A few controversial ideas there but I believe we will stay up .... although I think it will be closer than a few on here would care to imagine .

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:48 pm

It's clear from the last 4 away games that the players have given up on Dyche, which is why they rolled over and were beaten so easily by such inferior teams. All I need to do now is see his evidence. Which will presumably be written in crayon, because they don't allow sharp objects where he's posting from.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:13 pm

I definitely agree about the mentality away from home, far too negative. Scared to go at teams, more concerned with trying to hold onto a 0-0 draw.
It's a shame we didn't really go at City/United when they had 10 men, West Ham were there for the taking and they had an easy game really. Lately we've kinda improved but I think maybe we raise our game against the big boys away, playing the ''occasion''. I guess we will all see how much we have improved away from home when we visit Swansea/Sunderland/Hull etc

Holtyclaret · Post by **Holtyclaret** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:32 pm

11 points (probably less) from 15 games. The team are giving everything, we've lost a lot of the 'bunny in the headlights' nerves from earlier in the season (particularly away from home),we've signed Westwood and Brady,Joey (at time of writing) isn't banned yet and is playing out of his skin, Seans our Manager,Heatons our Keeper,home form and Steven Defour are just a few reasons why it's a little early to say that this season can't end the way we all want it to! UTC

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:53 pm

11 points required from 42, we have taken 29 from 72 points in our first 24 games which equates to 1.2 points per game meaning if we stay on the same path then we could expect to gather another 16.8 points or 16 or 17 to be exact, so 29 plus 16 or 17 adds up to 45 or 46 points, don't panic everything will be fine.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Feb 09, 2017 12:05 am

CnBtruntru wrote:11 points required from 42, we have taken 29 from 72 points in our first 24 games which equates to 1.2 points per game meaning if we stay on the same path then we could expect to gather another 16.8 points or 16 or 17 to be exact, so 29 plus 16 or 17 adds up to 45 or 46 points, don't panic everything will be fine.

That was when we played a half season of predominantly home games.