Tony Bliar lecturing the British people

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:22 am

I see Tony Bliar is finger wagging and lecturing the British people about their democratic decision.

He really does have a problem with democracy doesn't he!

At least when he makes his speech this morning, he won't be charging £1000s

His call to "rise up" is egotistical and arrogant and could see blood spilt on the streets of Britain. But then again, he's more stranger to the spilling of blood to suit his twisted globalist establishment agenda

This is a man that has the blood of approximately 250, 000 innocent Iraqi children on his hands . Yet he lacks the self awareness to realise that he is a toxic brand that his own party despise. Even the leader of the official Remain campaign has told him to shut up and accept the result. She knows that his intervention will have a disastrous effect on their position.

The murderous liar should be up in front of a war crimes tribunal and be administered with a swift lethal injection.

But here's the great news

Bliars intervention will boost the ukip vote at the Stoke by election.!!!!

Keep it up Bliar!!!

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:31 am

I think most of us have had enough of Blair. After his lies it would be best if he kept quiet.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:35 am

He's trying to find a way back into front line politics isn't he?
Wasn't there a rumour he was going to form a sort of new labour party?

The blokes is a tit who needs locking up or at the very least banning from politics.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:37 am

If he wanted to intervene in the process, then he should have before the vote.

Bit pointless now, and I'm sure that Blair backing remain would not have helped.

Mrpotatohead · Post by **Mrpotatohead** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:40 am

Odious man!

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:59 am

He is droning on now live on Sky News. Just waiting for him to try and defend the euro for a full house of sh1t.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:01 am

If your in a whole best to stop digging I would have thought.

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:10 am

He lost grasp on reality a long time ago.
This move sets him against Corbyn (who has said he wont try & block Brexit).
Nobody in the Brexit camp will be surprised or dissuaded by Blair's public arena entry but Corbyn receives another little slap from the enemy within "Blairites".
The press will milk whatever he says but he's largely discredited amongst the public surely?

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:11 am

Quote from the Guardian comments page Friday 17th February-

"Jeez Blair,Im a remainer but really want you to wind your neck back in. Have you not yet realised that you are completely politically toxic?
If you want to help the remainers then support the leavers,we might win a few over."

When even remainers on the Guardian are saying stuff like this .......

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:17 am

Blair's a prick. Always was and always will be.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:34 am

I'm not sure he's always been a prick. He is now though.

Doesn't appear to have any self awareness at all.

lesxdp · Post by **lesxdp** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:36 am

BennyD wrote:Blair's a prick. Always was and always will be.

Needs to be bigger in case some don't realize

TONY BLAIR IS A PRICK WHO SHOULD JUST DO ONE

I'm not sure he's always been a prick.

I AM SURE HE HAS

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:42 am

Whatever you think of Tony Blair (I think he's odious, personally), is there actually anything wrong with this comment:

“The people voted without knowledge of the true terms of Brexit. As these terms become clear, it is their right to change their mind”

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:48 am

It's not the comment that's in question John it's the individual.

lesxdp · Post by **lesxdp** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:50 am

In my view yes there is. As one of the so called people I voted for Brexit. No terms could have been made knowledge at the time as it is all up for discussion and I and am sure many others are OK with this. I am sick of people with their own agenda trying to say that the poor people who voted for Brexit didn't understand what they were voting for.
As an individual I know exactly what I was voting for and that was to get away from what had become almost total control of everything by beaurocrats in Brussels, and I don't need someone (especially) like Tony Blair to stand up for me.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:51 am

the problem here is that he's politically toxic but what blair is actually saying is pretty sensible stuff.

he's just not the person to be saying it.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:52 am

He rode in on a wave of new labour and the shirt tails of Neil Kinnock and John Smith. OMOV was the best thing to happen to the Labour party. Momentum are taking it back 40 years. Blairs time is long gone, and nobody Labour or Tory, gives a toss for his opinion. Certainly Labour voters who voted Brexit will take it with a pinch of salt.

I can respect anyones view on this topic, but there is no respect for anyone refusing to accept the democratic process, and for his and everyone else's information I didn't vote Brexit because I was misinformed, I voted because I can see the six headed donkey for what it is. Nothing has changed.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:52 am

JohnMcGreal wrote:Whatever you think of Tony Blair (I think he's odious, personally), is there actually anything wrong with this comment:

“The people voted without knowledge of the true terms of Brexit. As these terms become clear, it is their right to change their mind”

As I said to someone last night in the pub, I know hundreds of people offended by snobby insinuations that they didn't know what they were doing.

There are similar arguments to be made that those voting remain did so with no clear view on the future of the EU and our place in it. They couldn't have - because the EU's leaders don't have a clear view either.

So Blair is wrong to stick his beak in it - he is better concerning himself about whether the MPs under him voted for war without knowledge of the true nature of it. Voting for Blair twice was probably the biggest mistake of my life.

No Ney Never · Post by **No Ney Never** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:56 am

'The people ' meaning what exactly?
While not knowing the terms of Brexit, I had a reasonable idea of what it would entail and nothing about it has surprised me yet. Bliar is a lying bstrd with zero credibility.

Bertiebeehead · Post by **Bertiebeehead** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:02 am

The new Tim Sherwood

Foulthrow · Post by **Foulthrow** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:05 am

Hmm. I can understand the ill feeling towards Blair for the Iraq war but some of the reaction on here borders on the hysterical. His government did a number of good things that often seem to get completely forgotten. Give me Blair over Cameron or May any day of the week thanks.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:08 am

JohnMcGreal wrote:Whatever you think of Tony Blair (I think he's odious, personally), is there actually anything wrong with this comment:

“The people voted without knowledge of the true terms of Brexit. As these terms become clear, it is their right to change their mind”

"The people voted without knowledge of the true terms of Brexit. As these terms become clear, it is their right to change their mind”

The sneering arrogance that this comment shows, demonstrates why millions of British people have zero respect and more importantly, trust, for politicians and politics.

The myth , that people were duped and that they're too thick to understand what the referendum meant is everything, EVERYTHING that's what's wrong with the mindset of tired old dinosaurs, like this establishment, war monger Bliar and his, anti democratic, global clique.

I'm sure he can make even more money , if he goes back to his "international consultancy" work.

But keep chipping in Bliar . You're adding a few more 1000 votes for Paul Nuttall in Stoke!

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:18 am

Weird how massively unpopular Thatcher and Blair are. 'Toxic' seems to be the preferred title.

Was never the case during a general election though. Absolutely nothing partisan about this, just curious in its own right.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:18 am

I bet he hasn't

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:25 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:"The people voted without knowledge of the true terms of Brexit. As these terms become clear, it is their right to change their mind”

The sneering arrogance that this comment shows, demonstrates why millions of British people have zero respect and more importantly, trust, for politicians and politics.

whats arrogant about stating a fact?

nobody knew the terms of brexit - we still don't now and won't for at least a couple of years. the fact that prominent leave campaigners believed we could stay in the single market, for example, shows that.

it isn't saying that all leave voters are thick/stupid/didn't know what they were doing etc, because many aren't and many did know what they were doing.

people do have a right to change their minds - both ways. that's democracy.

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:32 am

Incidentally, if you hate 'Bliar' because he lied, I wouldn't examine too closely some of the promises made by 'Leave' campaign.

It's cool to hate him now, and he is a bit of an arrogant ****, granted. But if you've a nice school or a modern health centre in your bit of town, chances are it was built on his watch.

See how long you wait for this lot to chuck some money up here.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:40 am

Gollum lookalike lying odious prick.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:50 am

quoonbeatz wrote:whats arrogant about stating a fact?

nobody knew the terms of brexit - we still don't now and won't for at least a couple of years. the fact that prominent leave campaigners believed we could stay in the single market, for example, shows that.

it isn't saying that all leave voters are thick/stupid/didn't know what they were doing etc, because many aren't and many did know what they were doing.

people do have a right to change their minds - both ways. that's democracy.

It's taking a hell of a presumption that people don't know what they voted for. They do.
Nobody, me included, knows whether it will be a hard Brexit or an easy one. Nobody knows what we'll lose to what we'll gain. IMO I don't believe many that voted Brexit care. We voted to get out from under the thumb of Brussels, regardless of the consequences. In time it will all even itself out, and merely having the power to choose our own economic policies and trade deals will be a boon.
There is absolutely nothing that would convince me to change my mind. That isn't being stubborn just honest.

claretjohn33505 · Post by **claretjohn33505** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:51 am

I knew exactly what I was voting for............. to be rid of pricks like him.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:58 am

Colburn_Claret wrote:It's taking a hell of a presumption that people don't know what they voted for. They do.
Nobody, me included, knows whether it will be a hard Brexit or an easy one. Nobody knows what we'll lose to what we'll gain. IMO I don't believe many that voted Brexit care. We voted to get out from under the thumb of Brussels, regardless of the consequences. In time it will all even itself out, and merely having the power to choose our own economic policies and trade deals will be a boon.
There is absolutely nothing that would convince me to change my mind. That isn't being stubborn just honest.

I bet they'd care if prices start to rise or people lose their jobs once we've fully left the EU.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:02 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:It's taking a hell of a presumption that people don't know what they voted for. They do.
Nobody, me included, knows whether it will be a hard Brexit or an easy one. Nobody knows what we'll lose to what we'll gain.

not sure you understood the post you quoted as (apart from your first sentence) that backs up what i've just said.

nobody is saying that people didn't know what they voted for but that people voted not knowing what the terms of brexit would be.

thats the point. if its not looking like its going to be favourable to people, its ok for them to change their mind.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:05 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:whats arrogant about stating a fact?

nobody knew the terms of brexit - we still don't now and won't for at least a couple of years. the fact that prominent leave campaigners believed we could stay in the single market, for example, shows that.

it isn't saying that all leave voters are thick/stupid/didn't know what they were doing etc, because many aren't and many did know what they were doing.

people do have a right to change their minds - both ways. that's democracy.

Following his 2 DEMOCRATIC general election wins. Would the war criminal have accepted a rerun because the majority of voters didn't actually vote for him (More voted for the tories and the Lib Dems) and they didn't like the result? Course not! That'd be undemocratic.

He lost the result of the DEMOCRATIC referendum. Now the man with the blood of 250,000 Iraqi children on his hands wants a rerun. A neverendum! That is undemocratic.

And yes! People do have the right to change their mind.

We voted to join the Common market in 1974. The people have seen it morph into a superstate. With its own flag. It's own national anthem. It's own foreign office . It's own embassies and plans for the formation of an EU army.

After 40 odd years the people have changed their mind ( many of them actually voted to join!) They want out.

But I'm all for the multi millionaire, Mr Toxic crawling out of his J P Morgan sponsored rock and helping to reinforce people's determination to see us free from the economic train crash that is the EU!

Looking at the guardian comments pages . Many Remoaners are having their minds changed too!

"As a Remainer, I must say I agree. It appears Blair still does not realise how toxic his endorsement is for any kind of campaign."

It's a win ! Win!

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:13 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Following his 2 DEMOCRATIC general election wins. Would the war criminal have accepted a rerun because the majority of voters didn't actually vote for him (More voted for the tories and the Lib Dems) and they didn't like the result? Course not! That'd be undemocratic.

He lost the result of the DEMOCRATIC referendum. Now the man with the blood of 250,000 Iraqi children on his hands wants a rerun. A neverendum! That is undemocratic.

And yes! People do have the right to change their mind.

We voted to join the Common market in 1974. The people have seen it morph into a superstate. With its own flag. It's own national anthem. It's own foreign office . It's own embassies and plans for the formation of an EU army.

After 40 odd years the people have changed their mind ( many of them actually voted to join!) They want out.

But I'm all for the multi millionaire, Mr Toxic crawling out of his J P Morgan sponsored rock and helping to reinforce people's determination to see us free from the economic train crash that is the EU!

Looking at the guardian comments pages . Many Remoaners are having their minds changed too!

"As a Remainer, I must say I agree. It appears Blair still does not realise how toxic his endorsement is for any kind of campaign."

It's a win ! Win!

i forgot you're no good at an intelligent discussion, apologies.

Rammy1968 · Post by **Rammy1968** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:14 pm

Nice one Tony you have just confirmed that I made the correct choice when voting for Brexit ta

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:17 pm

Tony Bliar
Remoaners
Mr Toxic
Neverendum

Can you converse in English?

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:17 pm

it goes to show something when remain voting Labour MP's are queuing up to not only condemn Bliar, but also his "think again" message.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:30 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:i forgot you're no good at an intelligent discussion, apologies.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:36 pm

You do tend to head straight for "Daily Mail Man" mode whenever anyone questions you to be fair Ringo

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:37 pm

claretandy wrote:it goes to show something when remain voting Labour MP's are queuing up to not only condemn Bliar, but also his "think again" message.

People have "thought again"

We voted to join.

We thought about it.

We voted to come out.

We don't need a multi millionaire war criminal to advise us.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:37 pm

claretjohn33505 wrote:I knew exactly what I was voting for............. to be rid of pricks like him.

Ex Prime Ministers?

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:39 pm

It was Tony Blair's government who deliberately created the mass immigration that substantially boosted the Leave vote. He's more responsible for the vote to Leave than most. The people simply saw what Blair had given them (mass immigration) and voted to Leave the club that allowed the mass immigration to go unchecked (the EU).

He'll be back to trying to tell us that we need to join the Euro to avoid imminent economic collapse very soon at this rate. He is pathetic and deluded.

As for Blair's idea that Leave voters "voted without knowledge of the true terms of Brexit" the exact same kind of distortion can be said about Remain voters - they voted without properly understanding the true terms of Remaining in EU.

If anyone who agrees with Blair (or to borrow the modern dim phrase, thinks what he said is a "Fact") then fine. But if you imagine that it justifies a re-vote then you are wrong.

Can Remain voters name the Presidents of the EU (without looking them up)? Can Remain voters explain in detail how the EU works? Can Remain voters explain in detail the difference between a free trade area and a trade bloc? Can the average Remain voter explain the difference between the EEC and the EU? Does the average Remain voter know the difference between the single market and a free trade area? Would they be able to explain in detail how the EU undertakes trade talks and strikes trade deals?

The answer is no.

So if you follow Blair's logic, the people need to rise up and against Blair (and the EU) in order to give a larger mandate to leave the EU. After all, the minority who voted Remain did so largely from a position of ignorance.

Of course, the truth (or "fact" if you simpleton "Facters" prefer) is that this would be a nonsense position to adopt.

The "Fact" of the matter is that all of this WAS discussed and debated. At some length. In case anyone has forgotten - That's what the referendum was. D'uh.

Both sides had the chance to debate it, and both did. Both debated from the gutter, resorting to half-truths and scare-mongering but only one side was the clear winner.

To adopt a football metaphor, Tony Blair's side lost their cup final. He's trying to demand a replay because his side played crap and lost.

Tony, it doesn't work like that, you prick.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:41 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:You do tend to head straight for "Daily Mail Man" mode whenever anyone questions you to be fair Ringo

I know it wasn't meant to be a compliment but I'm ugly enough and intellectually retarded enough to take it as one fella!

Cheers!

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:42 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Ex Prime Ministers?

I think claretjohn was referring to pro-EU politicians who think they know what's best for us, contrary to our actual opinions.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:45 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:You do tend to head straight for "Daily Mail Man" mode whenever anyone questions you to be fair Ringo

You make an excellent, and thorough argument here Lancaster. Some top notch debate going on here.

Naturally (to follow Blair's logic) the Remain side are arguing from a "position of ignorance" whereas I (and I alone, not those naughty common people) know better than everyone else.

I think the referendum should be re-run too actually. Not to get a different result, just until everyone realises that I am right about everything and understands that they ought to think exactly like I do. It's an infallible argument I've created.

I'm calling it the Rowls-Blair School of Debate.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:45 pm

Rowls wrote:As for Blair's idea that Leave voters "voted without knowledge of the true terms of Brexit" the exact same kind of distortion can be said about Remain voters - they voted without properly understanding the true terms of Remaining in EU.

The phrase "Better the devil you know than the devil you don't'" springs to mind though.

People know what it's like being in the EU. No-one has any idea of the benefits or pitfalls from leaving.

Mayoclaret · Post by **Mayoclaret** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:45 pm

lesxdp wrote:In my view yes there is. As one of the so called people I voted for Brexit. No terms could have been made knowledge at the time as it is all up for discussion and I and am sure many others are OK with this. I am sick of people with their own agenda trying to say that the poor people who voted for Brexit didn't understand what they were voting for.
As an individual I know exactly what I was voting for and that was to get away from what had become almost total control of everything by beaurocrats in Brussels, and I don't need someone (especially) like Tony Blair to stand up for me.

I suspect there will be a good few Vauxhall Motor workers at Ellesmere Port who in particular voted for Brexit (and indeed those who didn't) who would be grateful for Blair currently standing up for them.
Personally I can't stand the bloke.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:47 pm

Rowls wrote:I think claretjohn was referring to pro-EU politicians who think they know what's best for us, contrary to our actual opinions.

Theresa May?

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:47 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:I know it wasn't meant to be a compliment but I'm ugly enough and intellectually retarded enough to take it as one fella!

Cheers!

come on mate, if that photo of you in the burnley express was anything to go by, you're not that ugly.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:48 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:nobody is saying that people didn't know what they voted for but that people voted not knowing what the terms of brexit would be.

It's a very, very interesting opinion. Not least because it's thick beyond belief.

If the exact terms of Brexit were available before the referendum, how exactly would that work and how exactly would it work out?

Please feel free to explain this.

It would be like trying to buy a house and telling the seller what your highest possible offer would be at the start of negotiations. Only a moron would do such a thing.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:48 pm

Its not meant as a compliment or a slight Ringo, its just thats is what you do on here.

I'm surprised you haven't called Quoon "a traitor" yet