I've passed all my music tastes on to my children. Which has resulted in them not entertaining rubbish music.
However, my son asked me, which is the better band, Joy Division or New Order?
For me there is no question, it's Joy Division.

Monaco

New order for me

Wilson Pickett and the Peregrine's

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Joy Division.

bobinho wrote:Joy Division.

Go on then bobinho - post your favorite Joy Division song

new order

Papabendi wrote:new order

Same to you Papabendi - post your best ever New Order song

Blue Monday is kne of my fav tunes so thats the way my vote would go.

There's a new order / joy division tribute band on at the grand in Clitheroe this weekend

Walton wrote:Monaco

David Potts(Potsy) from the band Monaco used to work for me at Barclays Swinton.He left the bank to join 'Revenge'with Peter Hook and later formed 'Monaco'with Peter.They had a couple of top twenty singles but David and Peter fell out.They are back friends again now and David has played with New Order but is I think playing in America or has been.

New Order

Saying that "Love will tear us apart" is better than any New Order track

David Potts never played with New Order. He is playing with Peter Hook's band the Light and there is a rumour Monaco will reform.

Temptation
Perfect Kiss
Sub Culture
Bizarre Love Triangle
Thieves like us

I quite like them both .

Same to you Papabendi - post your best ever New Order song

It changes to be honest mate but Your Silent Face/Age of Consent/The Perfect Kiss are hard to top.

Saying that, I'd forgotten about "Vanishing Point"

Joy Division. Everything after made me cringe cept' for Blue Monday.

Papabendi wrote:David Potts never played with New Order. He is playing with Peter Hook's band the Light and there is a rumour Monaco will reform.

Don't think he was ever part of New Order but played just as a guest backing guitarist.He also tried out with Oasis but nothing came of it.

Probably "No Love Lost" for Joy Division and "Ceremony" for New Order, but it depends on my mood.

"24 hours" is great if I'm in the mood for a sing-a-long and on days when I'm spaced, "I remember nothing".

Joy Division had a much bigger impact on other bands' music.

The remaining members continued to improve their ability to play and compose...

However for me the thing that sets them aside is the emotion in Joy Division, Ian's voice is iconic and his lyrics are thought provoking.

Joy division- new dawn fades
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New order - 1963

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Prefer New Order at a push, absolutely love Shellshock.

Power, Corruption and Lies still sounds pretty good. You've got to be in the mood for Joy Division.

Why does one have to be better than the other? They are both good.

WadingInDeeper wrote:Why does one have to be better than the other? They are both good.

I appreciate that, but it's a question asked by a young man in his formative years.
These questions have a bearing on how we move on in life as men

New order. Right up to fine time

Tell him not to choose but to appreciate the music both offer, and point out why they are both better than little mix, kanye west etc

WadingInDeeper wrote:Tell him not to choose but to appreciate the music both offer, and point out why they are both better than little mix, kanye west etc

I promise you, when he played and sang sally cinnamon, I cried

halfmanhalfbiscuit wrote:Go on then bobinho - post your favorite Joy Division song

I enjoy Shadowplay, and Atmosphere - depending on the atmosphere.

LWTUA was, is, and will remain one of the greatest songs (and tunes) ever written.

Admittedly it's no "Bob Todd", but classic all the same.

bobinho wrote:I enjoy Shadowplay, and Atmosphere - depending on the atmosphere.

LWTUA was, is, and will remain one of the greatest songs (and tunes) ever written.

Admittedly it's no "Bob Todd", but classic all the same.

Atmosphere - One of my best tracks ever

Have you passed your oven gloves on to your son , HMHB ?

Joy Division brought new sounds and styles, albeit it with a huge pinch of 'experimental' which for me often ended up in more of a noise than great music, with the obvious exception of 'Love will tear us apart'.

There were some good lyrics but in truth, Ian Curtis wasn't much of a singer.

New Order effectively picked up from Joy Division at a time when electronic music was really grabbing hold.

Both bands were of their time and certainly influenced many sounds and styles. With a preference for a 'dancier' sound, I'd opt for New Order who for me produced more quality music.

The Other Two

To be fair DCW , Joy Division / New Order didn't have a "proper " vocalist between them.

New Order vs Joy Division
On my coupon, a 'bore draw' I'm afraid.

randomclaret2 wrote:To be fair DCW , Joy Division / New Order didn't have a "proper " vocalist between them.

Not sure what "proper" is.

Ian was an emotional singer. I was never sure how much his "off tune" was part of the sound he wanted.

When your themes are largely around discordant emotions it is not quite right to be singing sweetly.

Digital by Joy Division is a classic. along with Transmission another of my favourites.

I love them both but have to go with Joy Division.

Precisely

I have to go along with Digital for Joy Division, so good I've had some of the lyrics tattooed!

I never thought I'd say this but I can't stop listening to Singularity from the 2015 Music Complete album. I heard it first at last summers Glastonbury (on TV). I think it's as good as some of the fantastic 80s New Order tracks. But to be fair I would say both bands are probably my favourite bands of all time. I personally think some of the music is timeless, to think some is approaching 40 years old is amazing. ****! perhaps I'm older than I think I am.

Elegia is also a firm favourite.

This thread is no Novelty more like a means to an end

For the record New Dawn Fades, one of if not the greatest post punk ditty ever played

Actually its 2 bands at The Grand Clitheroe this coming Saturday, Transmission are Joy Division tribute band then True Order, no need to elaborate

Haven't seen a mention of Dead Souls yet. I'd also add She's Lost Control (prefer the 'Peel Sessions' version to Unknown Pleasures) and Interzone - to the quality tracks already mentioned above.

New Order - Ceremony and In A Lonely Place, honourable mention for Hellbent.

Ian Curtis' lyrical genius gives JD the edge as far as I'm concerned but both bands top class

I like love will tear us apart and.. Love will tear us apart.. And love..

You get the gist..

Warsaw were best.....
Seriously, it's like comparing fish with snooker tables. Saw Joy Division supporting the Buzzcocks and they were superb. Likewise New Orders Power Corruption & Lies is equally superb. Different for all their same parts. Like the Buzzcocks vs Magazine.

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