Well, that is what Stephen Bush implies in this hard hitting, pull no punches piece of progressive journalism.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/sp ... ecause-hes" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Middle class clever dicks and football don't mix.

From the left wing New Statesman, stick to crying about the state of Corbyn's Labour.

Dyche actually joked about the suggestion, first made by Paul Merson. Now some Oxbridge twerp from London who couldn't be bothered to spend 3 minutes reading what Dyche said inflates some off the cuff remarks into something it clearly isn't.

"Dyche should... ask himself why he believes that a stint at two small English clubs should put him the running for one of the great clubs of English football."

He doesn't believe it. Considering that's the premise of the article, it's a bit of a wasted effort.

randomclaret2 wrote:Dyche actually joked about the suggestion, first made by Paul Merson. Now some Oxbridge twerp from London who couldn't be bothered to spend 3 minutes reading what Dyche said inflates some off the cuff remarks into something it clearly isn't.

Don't you see that in a post Brexit Britain, such comments are both hurtful and dangerous? How do we know comments such as his aren't what inspired the horrible attack on the Asylum Seeker the other night in Croydon? I am ashamed of this country and the hateful path it has chosen to take.

Scary that someone is paid let alone well paid to manufacture such utter shite from an off the cuff comment.
If I had had any desire to read the rag seeing what utter shite they consider worthy of publishing would of cured me.

ClaretMoffitt wrote:hard hitting, pull no punches piece of progressive journalism.

I regard myself a liberal and have had some lively but well meaning sparring with OP, this article though did make a bit of sick rise up into my mouth...

Think he's taken one of SDs quotes and decided to grow onions in the potato beds!.

No idea whether he is right wing, certainly not from that article, don't believe for one minute that he is a xenophobe and he is definitely not crap.

He is certainly trying to make an out an out left winger (brady) into a right winger, so they might be right.

At least you didn't put the thread title in quotes.

What is quite disturbing/ hilarious, is that some idiots will read this drivel and think its actually true. But then again, it is The New Statesman.

A scraping the barrel New Statesman article.
Dyche is correct, bigger English clubs don't appoint British born coaches and Arsenal continue to persist, tolerate and make do with Wenger despite his lack of success in the past 5+ years. Dyche calls it as it is, has Burnley performing one grade above its station and, for his age, can now put together a credible CV with many positive achievements.
A straw man piece of writing, the New Statesman can do better.

I think Dyche has a point in respect to English managers but he
seems to imply that they don't get the top jobs because they're English
rather than they're not good enough.
I think it is difficult for an English manager to get to the very top.
The top 5 or 6 teams in England are all managed by overseas coaches.
I wonder why?

Not unlike English players who have consistently failed to perform in Europe and World Cups
so it is for English managers.

I mean the top rated English manager (apart from Dyche that is) is probably Pullis?
Or our Eddie at Bournemouth.
Can't think of many or any more, be it current or previous.

You just can't see any of the top clubs going for either Dyche or Pullis or even Howe although
he may be the most likely to go to a big club in a few years time.

We'd have to get into Europe and do well before Dyche would get a sniff of a big team/club.

Pulis is Welsh. I agree with your point, though.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/bl ... SApp_Other" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Interesting article regarding foreign managers at the link above.

As successful as Sean Dyche has been, it would be interesting to see what proportion of fans actually enjoy the football.

Is this Saxo Bait?

That piece shouldnt fall under the banner of journalism, it was crass and idiotic.
What a pointless article written by a very stupid and ignorant clown.
Imagine how arrogant this **** would be face to face.

Dyche will never get a top job, imagine ArsenalFanTV after a Dyche away performance he'd be strung up after 1 game of park the bus and lauch it to an isolated midget Alexis. Infact scrap that, Sanchez and Ozil would be on the bench. Paterson, Marney, Boyd and James O'Connor would be in the starting 11.

well, as has been said, SD would never claim to be in the frame, but the sentiments in the article and in the guardian link are not far wrong. Let Dyche, Howe, Shakespeare et al actually prove themselves first........

KRBFC wrote:Dyche will never get a top job, imagine ArsenalFanTV after a Dyche away performance he'd be strung up after 1 game of park the bus and lauch it to an isolated midget Alexis. Infact scrap that, Sanchez and Ozil would be on the bench. Paterson, Marney, Boyd and James O'Connor would be in the starting 11.

Well Big Sam got the England job and his style of play is somewhat direct. I can't imagine that would go down well at the Emirates.

Let's count the be ll ends on this thread

KBRFC and Saxo will be like rabid dogs for this topic

Interesting topic..

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Well, that is what Stephen Bush implies in this hard hitting, pull no punches piece of progressive journalism.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/sp ... ecause-hes" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I thought the New Statesman had a reputation for quality, intelligent journalism? I'm not sure why they have a "sport" column, but this article is not about sport - and it's not "quality journalism."

I've no idea why a political journalist would want to attack Sean Dyche except to use sport as part of his/NS political campaign: "Dyche's witless words are part of the wider drift of our politics to the right."

Either that, or Bush is an Arsenal fan...

In the late 70's I worked in Nigeria and the locals had a saying for someone that suddenly did something inexplicably daft " he's gone bush".

Coincidence?

Hard to argue with that piece, dyche has a lot to do in management.

There are a lot of assumptions and second guesses in there - simple solution, Stephen Bush to interview Sean and put these points to him face to face.

EarbyClaret wrote:There are a lot of assumptions and second guesses in there - simple solution, Stephen Bush to interview Sean and put these points to him face to face.

Physical intimidation proves nothing.

The interview would prove whether Stevie had the courage of his convictions or is just another annoying keyboard conversationalist. But we already know the answer don't we Turfsnore1 troll.

levraiclaret wrote:The interview would prove whether Stevie had the courage of his convictions or is just another annoying keyboard conversationalist. But we already know the answer don't we Saxo troll.

Fixed.

Crap journalist says a great manager is crap, on the basis he doesn't like him because he's English and, what's worse, in the North.

Bigots are bigots no matter how worthy they believe they are.

Tosser

Does the statesmen do spell check? or the southern author not know how to spell. Sean Dyche has plied his trade in the north of England. as opposed to Plyed his trade in the south. UTC.

Crap journalism. You can tell instantly from the ill-informed rubbish he writes about Watford:

"At Watford, he took the club to 11th in the Championship. Its new owners judged that he wasn’t the man to take them on – looking at Watford now it is hard to argue that they erred in that decision."

Ignoring the fact that they went through about five managers between sacking Dyche and making it to the Premier League. The Watford fan I know always used to say what a bad decision it was to sack him.

.Sean Dyche and Arsenal are like chalk and cheese but they might do each other good.
Dyche no longer could hide behind the mask of the framework and some of the Arsenal stars would learn what hard work really is.
Certainly not a marriage made in heaven, but potential for some real explosive reactions.
Managing the tough guy probably comes easy to Dyche, but managing the mecurial and head strong might just be one step beyond.
Players of intelligence need to see their managers respects footballing intelligence, not sure as yet SD gets that, he tends to see players as needing a system to work within not to express themselves as the moment demands.

This is the paragraph I think is most unfair:

But that’s not why Sean Dyche thinks that it’s “highly unlikely” that he will be sitting in the home dugout at the Emirates any time soon. This is why: “I just don't think English managers have still got the kudos of some of their foreign counterparts. That's not a big deal, that's the nature of what it is at the moment.” And it’s not just Arsenal. It is unlikely, Dyche believes, that English managers will be getting “massive” jobs in the Premier League anytime soon, as they have fallen out of fashion thanks to the passion of all things foreign.

Dyche hasn't said English managers have fallen out of fashion thanks to the passion of all things foreign. This thought is attributed to him by the writer (hence no quotation marks). What he in fact said was:

Put to him that it was “sad” British managers are overlooked for the top posts, Dyche replied: “I just think it’s a reality, I don’t think it’s sad at all. The nature of the market is that.

The writer also pointedly ignores the fact Dyche has said he doesn't have enough experience: “I think for Arsenal I need some more experience, more depth to my experience, more growth as a manager and I think it’s fair to say that we’re working hard at what we do here.”

Terrible journalism - but then what do you expect from a Corbyn-hating rag?

http://www.football365.com/news/even-se ... rsenal-job" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Only idiots judge a news publication by the utterances of a sports writer. Jesus Christ, you people are really desperate to justify your hatred of the left. Aren't you?

" Idiots " ... " You people ". You mean Burnley fans angered at a disgraceful and wholly inaccurate attack on our manager don't you ?

EarbyClaret wrote:There are a lot of assumptions and second guesses in there - simple solution, Stephen Bush to interview Sean and put these points to him face to face.

Why would it be physical intimidation? I would have thought that the benefit of the reporter meeting Dyche face to face, would be that he would then know that Dyche didn't say he wouldn't get the Arsenal job because he was not foreign, so the entire article needn't have been written.

(Obviously that wouldn't happen, because the inportant thing is to write an article full of hate. Not to be factual. If the reporter met Dyche, he would be unable to persist in his lie about what he believes Dyche to have said - he would have to fall back on plan B, to claim that he's too stupid to understand.

Stephen Bush is special correspondent at the New Statesman

He is certainly special.

What a dickhead.

Imploding Turtle wrote:Only idiots judge a news publication by the utterances of a sports writer. Jesus Christ, you people are really desperate to justify your hatred of the left. Aren't you?

I think it's fair that if a news publication publishes an article about anything, it is assumed that the publication's editor agrees with the journalistic approach of the writer? Ie. if the writer writes lies persistently, then the editor of the publication agrees that writing lies is a good thing? Of course, we don't know if this reporter persistently writes lies; only that he has done in this case.

This is possibly the most pathetic piece of journalism I have ever read. Was it his turn to write the sports piece this week?? Ridiculous!!

Imploding Turtle wrote:Only idiots judge a news publication by the utterances of a sports writer. Jesus Christ, you people are really desperate to justify your hatred of the left. Aren't you?

This is my favourite comment yet.

Dejavu wrote:This is possibly the most pathetic piece of journalism I have ever read. Was it his turn to write the sports piece this week?? Ridiculous!!

It's either a sports journalist trying to be a real journalist, or a real journalist trying to be a sports journalist. Either way he's **** at both.

I'd never heard of this guy and rather than just dismiss his piece out of hand I thought I would read what he has to say about the Gibraltar spat.

Sadly it gets the same cheap sensationalist treatment. He doesn't feel the need to mention that unemployment on Gibraltar is, at 1%, effectively zero and in the nearest town on the Spanish mainland it is around 20%. And that many Spanish citizens rely on Gibraltar for work.

No we will just go with jingoistic nonsense as that seems to suit his style.

So, for me, on balance he is a bit of a cockwomble who should be ignored and he will hopefully crawl back under his stone.

That is frighteningly as bad a piece of journalism I think I've ever read.
If their political comments are as far off course it's no wonder that Jeremy won the Labour party leadership race.
I feel sorry, and worried, for anyone sad enough to read it.

Colburn_Claret wrote:That is frighteningly as bad a piece of journalism I think I've ever read.
If their political comments are as far off course it's no wonder that Jeremy won the Labour party leadership race.
I feel sorry, and worried, for anyone sad enough to read it.

"online traffic of over 4 million monthly unique visitors and 27 million monthly page views in 2016 - an almost 400% increase in traffic since 2011."


Joy.

Now I understand why he doesn't favour Defour.

Fancy the Daily Mail might take unkindly to Dover being a Spanish territory, we are completely hypocritical about all the far flung places which our empire building has left as strategically important outposts of British fascism.

Imploding Turtle wrote:Only idiots judge a news publication by the utterances of a sports writer. Jesus Christ, you people are really desperate to justify your hatred of the left. Aren't you?

Hi IT, if you take a look the journalist is a political journalist not a sports journalist. What we should be asking is why is a political journalist writing about sport and specifically about Premier League football.

We can all recognise that it isn't a sports article. If it was it might have explored why "non-British" managers are preferred by many football clubs, especially the top Premier League teams. It also might have explored what British managers are lacking and what they need to do to have opportunities to become top Premier League managers. Or, it might have tried to make the argument why the nationality of the manager/coach does not/should not matter.

Thing is, the journalist declared Sean Dyche a "crap" manager. I'm sure quality journalism could avoid the use of the vernacular of the sports fan, if that's what the term is.