Bouncer "punches Model"

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:11 pm

What's your thoughts?

I'm in the self defence camp, and on a clearer/closer link he doesn't have his fist clenched.

Opinions?

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Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:16 pm

The comment of 'women deserve equal rights and lefts' nailed it.

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:18 pm

Seen it other day

Self defense deserved it

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:19 pm

I saw this other day and she wasn't getting much sympathy.
Good hit though considering he'd just ducked hers, and he clearly hadn't put much force into it.

Based on that clip she's thrown the first punch, but no doubt people will say he was wrong to give it back.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:20 pm

She took it better than barkley......

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:22 pm

It was only a love tap ..

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:24 pm

I think the length of her heels kept her upright

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:25 pm

Non clenched fist, love tap. She got off lightly.

ThinLizzy · Post by **ThinLizzy** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:26 pm

Self defence. There is still no excuse even in this day and age of equality for a man to hit a woman unprovoked, but I stress without provocation. Clearly she had a swing at him, at which point she becomes fair game.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:27 pm

Worth a read -

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... o-12911438" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:27 pm

It doesn't look like he tried to hurt her, which he probably could have.

She was in heels and didn't fall, and then goes back for 2nds, so says to me self defence.

Only came to my attention today, and the opinion is very devided. Many calling the bouncer a coward/bully/thug on the internet/papers.

Always tricky should you find yourself in a similar situation. People only see/hear 1 side.

I genuinely don't know what I'd do in that situation, but hopefully I will never have to find out.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:28 pm

****** out of her head. If he had punched her he would've taken her down like China town. BUT the true art of security is to maintain the peace and remain calm. If the only way he can control a drunken woman is by smacking her in the mouth then he's clearly in the wrong job and cannot control his temper. He should face a criminal prosecution for this IMO.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:35 pm

Thoroughly deserved. A woman loses all her rights when she takes a swing at a bloke. Game on at that point.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:35 pm

MACCA wrote:It doesn't look like he tried to hurt her, which he probably could have.

She was in heels and didn't fall, and then goes back for 2nds, so says to me self defence.

Only came to my attention today, and the opinion is very devided. Many calling the bouncer a coward/bully/thug on the internet/papers.

Always tricky should you find yourself in a similar situation. People only see/hear 1 side.

I genuinely don't know what I'd do in that situation, but hopefully I will never have to find out.

Dont like bouncers full stop. But you only have to go down any high st.to see the loudmouth women of this country and men. On this occassion it appears to be self defence.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:36 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:****** out of her head. If he had punched her he would've taken her down like China town. BUT the true art of security is to maintain the peace and remain calm. If the only way he can control a drunken woman is by smacking her in the mouth then he's clearly in the wrong job and cannot control his temper. He should face a criminal prosecution for this IMO.

Would you say that if it was a man hitting the bouncer? Seems very sexist if so.

The law of the land states the instigater should be apprehended.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:39 pm

One thing I can confirm is my missus would've connected better with her punch first time and probably laughed in his face for his effort.

She is slightly mental though

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:41 pm

Anybody else open this thread hoping to see Bouncer of neighbours fame clearly off the rails?

ThinLizzy · Post by **ThinLizzy** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:41 pm

Murger wrote:Thoroughly deserved. A woman loses all her rights when she takes a swing at a bloke. Game on at that point.

Pretty much sums it up for me.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:44 pm

A female friend of mine works in a gastro pub/restraunt in York.

She says that when drunk, females are by far the worse for violence and causing trouble.

She says that they've had to bring in bouncers to their place at weekends. Mainly due to the shabby behaviour of gobby and aggressive females.

She says females have an "untouchable" attitude due to their gender. When they're unceremoniously flung out into the street they're often "bewildered" as to why their "princess" status hasn't been recognised.

Sounds like they're now getting what they've always wanted these days.

Equality.

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:47 pm

Self defence reaction. The bouncer seemed to limit the weight of the punch (or she would've been downed). I once got attacked (unprovoked) by 3 young women on a train coming home from work and resorted to a bit of force in self defence, I didnt use any fist punches & think I stuck to the "reasonable force" principal. No way I was standing there and being a punchbag just because they were female.
From the film, it looks like the reaction maybe a tad too much but we dont know what happened before the clip & I wouldn't criticise the bouncer from what we can see here.
I guess the bouncer's employees will investigate.

ThinLizzy · Post by **ThinLizzy** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:49 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:A female friend of mine works in a gastro pub/restraunt in York.

She says that when drunk, females are by far the worse for violence and causing trouble.

She says that they've had to bring in bouncers to their place at weekends. Mainly due to the shabby behaviour of gobby and aggressive females.

She says females have an "untouchable" attitude due to their gender. When they're unceremoniously flung out into the street they're often "bewildered" as to why their "princess" status hasn't been recognised.

Sounds like they're now getting what they've always wanted these days.

Equality.

Therein is the point Ringo.
Women are all for feminism and equality, but they are bloody quick to react when they don't get treated like women. As in this instance. They want their cake and they want to eat it.
I know a few women who bleat on about equality but still want the perks of being female, free drinks at bars because they put on their womanly charms with men. Expect to be treated like ladies, yet claim they want to be treated equally. Tha don't know whether to hug 'em or fight 'em

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:51 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:A female friend of mine works in a gastro pub/restraunt in York.

She says that when drunk, females are by far the worse for violence and causing trouble.

She says that they've had to bring in bouncers to their place at weekends. Mainly due to the shabby behaviour of gobby and aggressive females.

She says females have an "untouchable" attitude due to their gender. When they're unceremoniously flung out into the street they're often "bewildered" as to why their "princess" status hasn't been recognised.

Sounds like they're now getting what they've always wanted these days.

Equality.

Youve surprised me by such an observation

who'd have thought it.

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:53 pm

His technique was a little off but it was a great dodge to be honest

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:56 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Would you say that if it was a man hitting the bouncer? Seems very sexist if so.

The law of the land states the instigater should be apprehended.

Whose the instigator though? What are the reasons for the confrontation?. A doorman should only resort to self defence if he is in personal danger, and at no point in that clip did the ****** girl look like she could inflict serious damage to the doorman. .

And a true life scenario. My ex wife when once leaving a nightclub had her backside pinched by the doorman, she turned around and slapped him, I suppose if the slap had happened in view of the CCTV but the grope hadn't you'd be quite happy for bouncer to knock her the **** out Quickenthe tempo!.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:57 pm

Equal rights equal fights I say.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:58 pm

Anyone been under the culvert at closing time on Mothers Day ?

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:00 pm

Just looks like a silly little girl getting a warning to me. Nothing else to say.

It got me thinking about an incident that occurred in Panama Joe's (or was it Mean Cat Daddies?) back in the late 90's / early noughties though.

I was out with a few mates and one of them had clearly had far too much to drink. He could barely stand up. Anyway he decided to get up for a dance and he ended up stumbling across the dancefloor and into a table, knocking over a couple of drinks in the process. The drinks ended up all over the two young ladies who were sat at the table but my mate didn't have a clue it happened so I went over (ever the gent) and offered to replace their drinks and to apologise for my mates state!

Now one of them said thanks but the other started bleating on about her dry cleaning bill and how I was going to pay for it. I reminded her that I wasn't the person who knocked her drink over and if she wanted to have a discussion about her dry cleaning bill she was quite welcome to go and chat it through with my mate - "that one staggering around the dancefloor over there!". She wasn't impressed but I continued to try and be the bigger person and went to buy the drinks.

When I returned and put the drinks down on the table the first lady said "thank you" again but the other one picked up her drink and threw it on me. Now, what was I supposed to do? I was stood there covered in Bacardi and coke looking like a bit of a plonker. So I did the only thing I could to readdress the balance; I threw my pint over her, and there's a lot more liquid in a pint than a Bacardi and coke ha ha. I turned to walk away so didn't see her pick up an empty bottle from the next table. She walked up behind me and hit me on the head with the bottle. Luckily she let go of the bottle at the same time as it hit my head meaning it just bounced off my noggin and fell to the floor, but it's safe to say I wasn't best pleased.

By this point the bouncers had noticed something was going on and they charged in, grabbed me and threw me out. I couldn't believe it. My mate was still staggering around the dancefloor and the woman who'd thrown a drink on me and hit me with a bottle were both still inside having a good old time. Yet there I was stood on the pavement with my tail between my legs. Those were the days ha ha...

Sorry, I realise that has nothing to do with the OP, it just popped into my head for some reason whilst I was reading the thread!!

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:04 pm

We can only comment on what we see.

I would advise your ex wife she should of reported that incident to the police and had him removed from the job instead of slapping him, putting herself at danger of retaliation. It would also prevent other women from having their bottoms pinched.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:05 pm

jlup1980 wrote:

I was out with a few mates and one of them had clearly had far too much to drink. He could barely stand up. Anyway he decided to get up for a dance and he ended up stumbling across the dancefloor and into a table, knocking over a couple of drinks in the process. The drinks ended up all over the two young ladies who were sat at the table but my mate didn't have a clue it happened so I went over (ever the gent) and offered to replace their drinks and to apologise for my mates state!

Now one of them said thanks but the other started bleating on about her dry cleaning bill and how I was going to pay for it. I reminded her that I wasn't the person who knocked her drink over and if she wanted to have a discussion about her dry cleaning bill she was quite welcome to go and chat it through with my mate - "that one staggering around the dancefloor over there!". She wasn't impressed but I continued to try and be the bigger person and went to buy the drinks.

When I returned and put the drinks down on the table the first lady said "thank you" again but the other one picked up her drink and threw it on me. Now, what was I supposed to do? I was stood there covered in Bacardi and coke looking like a bit of a plonker. So I did the only thing I could to readdress the balance; I threw my pint over her, and there's a lot more liquid in a pint than a Bacardi and coke ha ha.

I was expecting it to carry on as.. and we have been married ever since

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:11 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ttack.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

She's claiming she was taken off the premises, or dragged by her leg, so she swung for him because she was angry

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:13 pm

claretdom wrote:I was expecting it to carry on as.. and we have been married ever since

Love it ha ha

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:18 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:We can only comment on what we see.

I would advise your ex wife she should of reported that incident to the police and had him removed from the job instead of slapping him, putting herself at danger of retaliation. It would also prevent other women from having their bottoms pinched.

So let me get this right you condone a bouncer slapping a girl in the mush because you saw a 30 second cctv clip, but a woman being groped should go through the laborious process of looking for witnesses and obtaining a crime reference number to then proceed with criminal proceedings at her own cost initially to remove a doorman from his job. Get fuckin real man.

I could pass on your advice that but it was in 1998 and the bouncer as since died of steroid overdose ironically.

And you labelled me sexist !!

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:26 pm

Love it, nice dodge and slap by the bouncer. Got what she deserves.

MarkGreen · Post by **MarkGreen** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:30 pm

If she wants paying the same, she can take a whack the same!

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:35 pm

Make em miss and make an pay.
Good effort

SammyBoy · Post by **SammyBoy** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:39 pm

ThinLizzy wrote:Therein is the point Ringo.
Women are all for feminism and equality, but they are bloody quick to react when they don't get treated like women. As in this instance. They want their cake and they want to eat it.
I know a few women who bleat on about equality but still want the perks of being female, free drinks at bars because they put on their womanly charms with men. Expect to be treated like ladies, yet claim they want to be treated equally. Tha don't know whether to hug 'em or fight 'em

I really agree with this, I'm a big believer in equality regardless of race, gender, sexuality etc but certain 'feminists' really do annoy me. Last month when it was International Women's Day I was asked by a colleague why I hadn't brought her flowers. I said I was under the impression that IWD was all about female empowerment and eradicating patriarchal gestures like the one she'd suggested. She then dismissed me as ungentlemanly, leaving me perplexed. Women who think feminism is about obtaining equal rights but retaining the 'perks' and pampering associated with chauvinism aren't true feminists, however it's probably lack of education than any hidden agenda.

As for the OPs question it was self-defense for me. As a general rule, man or woman if you hit anybody without provocation expect to get one on the nose.

duncandisorderly · Post by **duncandisorderly** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:06 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Anybody else open this thread hoping to see Bouncer of neighbours fame clearly off the rails?

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:12 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:So let me get this right you condone a bouncer slapping a girl in the mush because you saw a 30 second cctv clip, but a woman being groped should go through the laborious process of looking for witnesses and obtaining a crime reference number to then proceed with criminal proceedings at her own cost initially to remove a doorman from his job. Get fuckin real man.

I could pass on your advice that but it was in 1998 and the bouncer as since died of steroid overdose ironically.

And you labelled me sexist !!

I condoned a man acting in self defence against an attacker regardless of gender. He didn't go too far and follow it up with a left right combination, he simply used enough force to give her a shock and end the attack. It might even prevent her attacking someone else in the future as well as she would expect to be hit back. The original post was put up to comment on that video so we did with the only available evidence.

What criminal proceedings start with the victim meeting costs? I'm sure it would of been harder to get a prosecution back in 98 but thankfully attitudes have improved dramatically towards women and equal rights since.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:24 pm

Would this "lady" from Bacup, have avoided a custodial sentence had she been a man. After a night out in Burnley?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09 ... il-af/amp/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:56 pm

Don't see what else he could have really done try restraining her by grabbing her wrists he probably gets kneed in the gonads. I would have probably done the same in that situation thru lack of other options.

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:09 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Would this "lady" from Bacup, have avoided a custodial sentence had she been a man. After a night out in Burnley?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09 ... il-af/amp/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

She sounds like a lovely lady. Salt of the earth type...

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:31 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Would this "lady" from Bacup, have avoided a custodial sentence had she been a man. After a night out in Burnley?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09 ... il-af/amp/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

She didn't avoid it for long
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... r-12864167" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:34 pm

He was lucky, though. Rightly or wrongly, if she'd fallen and cracked her head on the floor, he'd have been in deep, deep ****.
I don't know if it's the same in all towns but the Burton bouncers (ooh er, missus !) have to have a licence which they would probably lose in this case.
I couldn't care less about the lass but he didn't actually have any reason to slap her. He'd dodged her, he should have made a fool of the drunken trollop she was making herself appear and left it at that.

yorkyclaret · Post by **yorkyclaret** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:41 pm

An earlier prison sentence for her could have saved a stabbing. http://www.rossendalefreepress.co.uk/ne ... d-12863601" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

minnieclaret · Post by **minnieclaret** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:49 pm

You are all being very kind to him but what if that was his best shot??

cloughyclaret · Post by **cloughyclaret** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:44 pm

claretdom wrote:Anyone been under the culvert at closing time on Mothers Day ?

I was chatting to a female taxi driver a few years ago. She told me that although she usually loved her job, the one night she refused to work was Mothers Day.

lakesclaret · Post by **lakesclaret** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:49 pm

Pretty textbook really,he gave her a decent slap (the shock factor of a slap is effective) while being assaulted ,if he'd slapped her hard or clenched his fist she'd have been clean out.

No one likes bouncers but most of the time they get it right in very volatile situations ,usually preventing drunken serious assaults on punters or themselves .

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 9:24 pm

Today the model has issued an apology after extended footage of the incident was unearthed showing her behaving like a d!ck prior to the incident.
She claimed "it's just not me"
She was thrown out of the bar for dancing on tables.
She also offered advice saying don't drink too much and take it steady

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 9:32 pm

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... 931068.amp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

SonofPog · Post by **SonofPog** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 9:35 pm

I'm of the opinion that we should hold security professionals to high standards than a drunk person (be it male or female).

They should be trained to defuse a situation, there are plenty of physical holds and actions that could have subdued the situation and allowed them to escort (rightly) her off the premises, without physical harm. Taking a swing a someone doesn't mean you're instantly fair game for a slap.

But, let's also not crucify the bloke, he didn't permanently damage her and she's apologised when she's sobered up.