Dyche ------->Palace

Brownbeattel · Post by **Brownbeattel** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 1:03 pm

Piece today by Andy Dunn in Sunday Mirror [attachment=0]IMG_0683.JPG[/attachment

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 1:06 pm

The next level my ar5e.

lakesclaret · Post by **lakesclaret** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 1:09 pm

Much as it pains me,we all know SD's stock is at a high and for an ambitious young manager the time is certainly right if he gets a good offer. Palace have plenty of cash and some great players and it would be idiotic to think they aren't a step up from us.

As the old guard are now pretty much gone (or about to go) and the possibility of a real exodus I doubt SD would want to oversee a rebuilding on the budget we can offer.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 1:11 pm

Quicknick wrote:The next level my ar5e.

Although they have better players than us,I believe we are a bigger and better club than Palace......so the next level my ar5se.

lakesclaret · Post by **lakesclaret** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 1:11 pm

Naturally it's a gamble for him with the virtually constantly hysterical modern day fans but any step up in any walk of life is a gamble.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 1:15 pm

Has Dyche actually come out and said anything,if he hasn't I think he should,if he wants to move on do it now and give our board a chance to get someone else in,would hate to see us looking around for a manager towards the end of July,and as we always seem to leave our transfer business till late,it would ruin next season for us...Come on Dyche show us your hand....now.

colinclaret · Post by **colinclaret** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 1:16 pm

Was talking to a friend last night a Baggies fan who told me Pullis is off fron WBA and Dyche is lined up to take over.

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 1:20 pm

WBA would be a step up. Great club. I'd like Pulis.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 1:21 pm

Quicknick wrote:WBA would be a step up. Great club. I'd like Pulis.

Maybe we should just swap manager's with them,I'd be happy with Pulis.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 2:10 pm

WBA like Dyche
Dyche would like WBA
Burnley would like Pulis
Pulis likes Burnley

Easy, who needs a merry go round?

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 2:14 pm

I'd take Pulis all day long.

lakesclaret · Post by **lakesclaret** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 2:17 pm

Very true Macca the managers and clubs fit v well together,though couldn't see Pulis coming here when he could likely bag lots of readies in China or elsewhere .
Gotta laugh at Baggies fans moaning all season about WBA playing style when for most they were the"best of the rest" after the rich boys.

As Stan was oft quoted " the want champagne football on beer money"

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 2:31 pm

Can Pulis be trusted. Look at his behaviour when he left Palace:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... -west-brom" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 2:42 pm

Pulis is a horrible manager when he manages anyone else, but he's great when he's yours!
I'd be very happy.
It's not as though we have been able to play wonderful flowing football under SD. (That's not a criticism, by the way, it's just how we've got where we are).

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 2:44 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Pulis is a horrible manager when he manages anyone else, but he's great when he's yours!.

That's very similar to having Joey Barton as a player.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 2:46 pm

Hipper wrote:Can Pulis be trusted. Look at his behaviour when he left Palace:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... -west-brom" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It was a strange one that.
He was entitled to a bonus for keeping them up. He kept them up, then left the club.
Obviously I have no idea of the details, and both sides had to agree to a silence clause after settlement, but since he did in fact keep them up, I never really understood why he lost the case. There must have been other clauses in his contract.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 2:47 pm

I don't like his style much ( football it fashion) but he is almost guaranteed to keep you up.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 2:47 pm

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 2:48 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:It was a strange one that.
He was entitled to a bonus for keeping them up. He kept them up, then left the club.
Obviously I have no idea of the details, and both sides had to agree to a silence clause after settlement, but since he did in fact keep them up, I never really understood why he lost the case. There must have been other clauses in his contract.

He lost the case because he wanted his bonus early, and lied to Crystal Palace as to the reason why. That's why he lost the case.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 2:53 pm

Spijed wrote:He lost the case because he wanted his bonus early, and lied to Crystal Palace as to the reason why. That's why he lost the case.

Well, yes, but the bonus was for keeping them up -which he achieved. it didn't say - only if you stay with us. or did it?
I'm guessing that if he had left without being paid then he suspected that they wouldn't pay up, so he asked for it early. But he had achieved the target he was set, and in those circumstances, I would have expected to get my bonus.
Obviously he left after a fall out, but it still surprised me that he didn't get anything, even if he'd been ordered to pay part of it back to allow for bank interest etc.

mkmel · Post by **mkmel** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 3:50 pm

Does Pulis still live in Sandbanks near Bournemouth?

I can just imagine him telling his missus to pack their bags as they're moving to Burnley lol

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:15 pm

Didn't realise he lived in Sandbanks. Is Appy Arry his neighbour?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:16 pm

Quicknick wrote:Didn't realise he lived in Sandbanks. Is Appy Arry his neighbour?

Never heard of Pulis living there - 'Arry still does although he's downsized and I believe Jason Tindall lives there (he married into money) as do the Austins (Charlie's mum & dad).

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:22 pm

How on earth do Charlie's parents afford to live there?

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:28 pm

Quicknick wrote:How on earth do Charlie's parents afford to live there?

Charlie probably built the house when he was out injured.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:28 pm

They live in arrys shed.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:51 pm

Pulis used to manage Portsmouth, so quite possible he has an abode in the richest chunk of land on the coast.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:53 pm

IanMcL wrote:Pulis used to manage Portsmouth, so quite possible he has an abode in the richest chunk of land on the coast.

He also played for and managed Bournemouth

EarbyClaret · Post by **EarbyClaret** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 5:07 pm

I read somewhere that Harry spoke to Pulis before taking the Birmingham job. Pulis is his neighbour so he wanted his advice on the commute. It was reported that Pulis told him it was relaxing and gave him valuable thinking time.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 5:14 pm

Pulis bought his house there in 2010

http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/tony-s-h ... story.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Duffer_ · Post by **Duffer_** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 5:52 pm

Oh no - just seen this on CBC Croydon Today.

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Now off to Betfair to lay Dyche to Palace (snigger snigger).

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JimmyRobbo · Post by **JimmyRobbo** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 6:32 pm

As others have said, I'll be very disappointed to see Sean leave.

I think he has worked something of a miracle during his 5 years here. When he took over I was talking to another pro in management about him and I said that I was somewhat unsure about him. He agreed. Well, we were both proved wrong and very proud and pleased to say so.

We are certainly left in a better position than when he arrived. Though it may not be a bigger club, we would have to be myopic not to accept that they are capable of attracting (ie paying and risking financial futures) better established players than we currently are. For that reason only, it may make more sense for him to leave.

Personally, I think it may be a mistake. To someone who is successful and ambitious, the number of managers and their longevity will not come into their thinking as they are expecting to continue their success. Let's be honest, no truly big club will hire him, as things stand in British football.

He'd go with my blessing. I don't know how we'd replace him....but I trust our board to maintain their financial discipline and not bet the ranch as others have (Bolton, Blackburn snigger).

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 6:57 pm

I suppose there's two things SD needs to consider.

Firstly, does he believe he can take us further than just surviving in the PL?

Secondly; if he comes to the conclusion that Palace is a step up, does he believe he'll be given the time to implement his strategy at an already established PL club?

The fact is he's got a job for life at Burnley given his achievements in recent years. The last two couldn't have gone any better. Winning the Championship followed by 40 points and comfortable safety in the PL. If he wants to stay and try to take us to the next level (say a Stoke or a West Brom) then he'll have the backing of everyone at the club.

If he goes to Palace his achievements at Burnley won't count for any goodwill with the Board or fans. If he starts poorly he could be on the Managerial scrapheap by Christmas!!

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 7:35 pm

Duffer_ wrote:Oh no - just seen this on CBC Croydon Today.

breaking-news (3).png
Now off to Betfair to lay Dyche to Palace (snigger snigger).

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Is this a scam?

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 7:39 pm

Pulis played for Bournemouth years ago and I think it was Redknap that signed him.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 7:54 pm

SD doesn't make many mistakes, and Palace would be a massive one.
The time will come when he has to move on, just to test himself if nothing else. That timing will undoubtedly be up to him, as the likelihood we would sack him is preposterous. Palace just isn't a big enough, exciting enough, rich enough or stable enough an alternative. We are moving forwards, Palace are merely treading water.

MiltonKeynesClaret93 · Post by **MiltonKeynesClaret93** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 7:54 pm

Duffer_ wrote:Oh no - just seen this on CBC Croydon Today.

breaking-news (3).png
Now off to Betfair to lay Dyche to Palace (snigger snigger).

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Probably should've cropped out that watermark in the top-right.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 7:55 pm

If he goes we could get Martin O'Neil and sign the rest of the Irish team we don't already have.

Duffer_ · Post by **Duffer_** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 7:59 pm

MiltonKeynesClaret93 wrote:Probably should've cropped out that watermark in the top-right.

Did you have to look that closely before you decided it was fake news?

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MiltonKeynesClaret93 · Post by **MiltonKeynesClaret93** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 8:03 pm

Duffer_ wrote:Did you have to look that closely before you decided it was fake news?

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Yes.

Duffer_ · Post by **Duffer_** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 8:08 pm

In that case I've got a guaranteed pyramid type ponzi AAA investment fund derivative that you might be interested in.

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dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 8:34 pm

Spijed wrote:They could put him on gardening leave, like Palace did with Steve Bruce. He wouldn't legally be allowed to become Palace manager during the remaining time of his contract.

No, there is no registration of managers like there is of players. So FIFA / the FA have no way to stop him moving, and it's up to the law of the UK. Under contract, Burnley can expect compensation from anyone who poaches any of our key personnel, and if it came to court, the compensation amount would depend on salary he was getting paid, length of contract, reasonableness of contract, degree of responsibility, etc. But we couldn't stop him going.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:12 pm

Duffer_ wrote:In that case I've got a guaranteed pyramid type ponzi AAA investment fund derivative that you might be interested in.

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Well you had me fooled.

I haven't been able to stop crying since I saw that picture.

brigante · Post by **brigante** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:13 pm

Don't go
Don't leave me now now now
While the sun shines
Stay around
Laugh a while yeah

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:14 pm

dsr wrote:No, there is no registration of managers like there is of players. So FIFA / the FA have no way to stop him moving, and it's up to the law of the UK. Under contract, Burnley can expect compensation from anyone who poaches any of our key personnel, and if it came to court, the compensation amount would depend on salary he was getting paid, length of contract, reasonableness of contract, degree of responsibility, etc. But we couldn't stop him going.

It seems Palace got a temporary injunction:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 01022.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:22 pm

Spijed wrote:It seems Palace got a temporary injunction:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 01022.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Did it ever get to court? The problem with any sort of clause restricting someone's employment is that it has to be reasonable, and the courts are (by design) biased towards the individual not the company. So the previous employer would be able - perhaps - to stop a manager taking his new job immediately; but not in the long term.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:35 pm

dsr wrote:Did it ever get to court? The problem with any sort of clause restricting someone's employment is that it has to be reasonable, and the courts are (by design) biased towards the individual not the company. So the previous employer would be able - perhaps - to stop a manager taking his new job immediately; but not in the long term.

Agree. Its a short term stopper until the issue gets resolved actually puts pressure on both parties to get a quick solution. We could make things awkward if we had to wouldn't last long.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:39 pm

Why would we though?

We owe him that at least if he decides to go that we let him (as long as Palace pay whatever severance fee he has)

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:46 pm

I hope he doesn't go, but if he does, he'll leave with my thanks and best wishes(apart from when Palace play us). What he's done for our Club in the past five years has been nothing short of phenomenal. I hope he stays to take us further on, but if he doesn't, we need to be looking for a great replacement for him.
It was always going to be a pivotal Summer, it could be bloody massive now.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 10:05 pm

It'll sort itself out. Nobody really knows for sure that sean is going down south. Part of me still thinks that Sean is going nowhere & all this speculation is a mechanism to enhance his ongoing contract.