Conservative candidate charged over 2015 election expenses

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:33 am

Craig Mackinlay, Conservative candidate for South Thanet, has been charged over the Tory 2015 election expenses scandal.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:35 am

Yes, he was the incumbent MP before dissolution. He beat Farage 2 years ago.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:38 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Yes, he was the incumbent MP before dissolution. He beat Farage 2 years ago.

Are you responding, talking to yourself?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:42 am

BleedingClaret wrote:Are you responding, talking to yourself?

Just anticipating an obvious question. there should be an 'And' in front of it.

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:42 am

BleedingClaret wrote:Are you responding, talking to yourself?

He probably forgot to log out and back in as C&J

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:43 am

Barry_Chuckle wrote:He probably forgot to log out and back in as C&J

that's exactly it.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:44 am

Now that they have been charged, it isn't legal to comment on the specifics of the case itself. However, in the cases of the MPs who have been investigated but not charged (about a dozen of them), the issue was whether a centrally-paid "battle bus" counted as national expenses or local expenses, and the CPS decided it was too fine a point to charge them with. With these three, it's impossible to discuss it (sub judice) so it will make for a strange election campaign. "What do you have to say about the charges, Mr. Candidate"? "Nothing. I'm not allowed to." (They are allowed to say they feel themselves to be completely innocent and will defend themselves vigorously.)

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:51 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Yes, he was the incumbent MP before dissolution. He beat Farage 2 years ago.

Also to add to my point here, it's right he's been charged, just wonder now how many more come out of the woodwork.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:52 am

And in case anyone is under the illusion that the Tories cooperated fully with the investigation...

https://twitter.com/D_Raval/status/870574787357270016" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ClaretDiver · Post by **ClaretDiver** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:53 am

Imploding Turtle wrote: that's exactly it.

Or Claretdiver

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:54 am

ClaretDiver wrote:Or Claretdiver

or MACCA

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:01 am

BleedingClaret wrote:Are you responding, talking to yourself?

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:04 am

Spent a fortune trying to stop farage at all costs.

whereeaglesfly · Post by **whereeaglesfly** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:05 am

Mays team are now saying that she will not be doing any further interviews on radio etc up to the election. Is this a coincidence or just part of her strange stategy.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:05 am

Barry_Chuckle wrote:He probably forgot to log out and back in as C&J

Epic fail!!!!

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:10 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Just anticipating an obvious question. there should be an 'And' in front of it.

Wriggle wriggle wriggle.!!

Hoisted by your own petard yet again "imploding claret and turtle jew on a Trex!" my multi log-in, multi user name chum!

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:11 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Yes, he was the incumbent MP before dissolution. He beat Farage 2 years ago.

.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:13 am

whereeaglesfly wrote:Mays team are now saying that she will not be doing any further interviews on radio etc up to the election. Is this a coincidence or just part of her strange stategy.

Shy Tory.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:17 am

If this election is the most important in May's lifetime, why does she refuse to debate, and meet real people to get her message across?

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:19 am

They've realised that she's hugely damaging to the party whenever she is questioned.

Which bodes we'll for us all over the next 4-5 years should she win as expected.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:56 pm

whereeaglesfly wrote:Mays team are now saying that she will not be doing any further interviews on radio etc up to the election. Is this a coincidence or just part of her strange stategy.

No one wants to listen to a crock of ****, every day! Could be worse....imagine her on TV every day!

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:41 pm

whereeaglesfly wrote:Mays team are now saying that she will not be doing any further interviews on radio etc up to the election. Is this a coincidence or just part of her strange stategy.

She's on BBC1 in 35 mins, which somewhat undermines the point I think you're trying to make.

JohnDearyMe · Post by **JohnDearyMe** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:44 pm

Feels like the Tories are almost purposefully sabotaging their own campaign. It has been awful

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:56 pm

Caballo wrote:She's on BBC1 in 35 mins, which somewhat undermines the point I think you're trying to make.

She couldn't pull out. I'm certain she wants to after this news today but it'd kill her campaign and hand Labour the election if she once again refused to turn up for something resembling a debate, especially after actually agreeing to it in the first place. Even the most resolute Tory voter would be questioning whether they should give them their vote with this woman in charge.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:12 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:She couldn't pull out. I'm certain she wants to after this news today but it'd kill her campaign and hand Labour the election if she once again refused to turn up for something resembling a debate, especially after actually agreeing to it in the first place. Even the most resolute Tory voter would be questioning whether they should give them their vote with this woman in charge.

She will be gone as leader whatever the result .

whereeaglesfly · Post by **whereeaglesfly** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:14 pm

Caballo, her taking part in the TV debate tonight does not undermine the point I was making, she could hardly reneged on a commitment she had agreed to before today's revelations. It has been announced on BBC news that she will not be taking part in any further radio shows.This, of course, may just be the strategy that her advisers and herself have agreed but it is not in my opinion showing strength and stability.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:47 pm

joey13 wrote:She will be gone as leader whatever the result .

I doubt she'll be gone if she wins the election.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:08 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I doubt she'll be gone if she wins the election.

I think the suggestion is that she'll be thrown out by her party as leader even if she wins small against someone who is literally the founder of ISIS, or soemthing.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:09 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I doubt she'll be gone if she wins the election.

This time next week , win or lose

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:11 pm

joey13 wrote:This time next week , win or lose

If she wins and they toss her out I'd expect another election.

One reason for this election was so we'd have an elected leader taking us into Brexit etc.

Toss out an elected leader and we're back to square one.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:12 pm

The Tory candidate was stupid to get Dianne Abbott doing his books.

taio · Post by **taio** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:16 pm

If the Tories get a majority the chances of her not being PM this time next week are surely close to zero. Odd things can happen in politics but that just feels like pure fantasy.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:21 pm

taio wrote:If the Tories get a majority the chances of her not being PM this time next week are surely close to zero. Odd things can happen in politics but that just feels like pure fantasy.

I don't think it'd happen either. It could easily be spun as disrespecting the will of the voters while trying to tell us that they're respecting the will of the voters with Brexit.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:27 pm

She won't go immediately but the likes of Boris will be working in the background.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:45 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:She won't go immediately but the likes of Boris will be working in the background.

Do you imagine a point in time when he wasn't?

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:16 pm

22...Caballo - I don't think so...she refused again to do the face to face stuff with Corbyn..she's scared to death of coming up against him in any debate.

What's with this radio programme boycott?

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:15 pm

If May is gone in a week, what is the point of voting for the Tories and their 'stable' leadership?

Too close to the nutcase anyway.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 10:02 am

She's absolutely clueless now and an insult to the electorate - the other candidates do actually have beliefs - but will, no doubt, get in.
Her weakness under even the slightest pressure will not have gone unnoticed by the Tory High Command, she'll be gone at her next defeat in the Brexit negotiations ie within months.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 6:53 pm

Not a corrupt Tory ,now there's a novelty!

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:11 pm

taio wrote:If the Tories get a majority the chances of her not being PM this time next week are surely close to zero. Odd things can happen in politics but that just feels like pure fantasy.

g
I think she might hang on for a while, but tbh if she gets in but with less seats,(or at least with a smaller majority), then I think her position will be untenable. After all, she said she was calling the election because she wanted a personal mandate.
Anything less than a 70 seat majority will be a shocker for her, especially when you think of the poor quality of opposition, and the lead in the polls that she had before embarking on such a disastrous campaign. ( I hasten to say- so far).
I still expect a decent Tory majority, but unless things change a lot, I think it may well be significantly less than the 100 / 150 seat majority that I anticipated, (and I think she expected) when she called it.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:17 pm

The majority is 12 at the moment. It can't reduce by much and still be a majority.

I think she's trying to keep the majority just low enough that Corbyn doesn't feel he ought to resign.

(Though possibly anything less than 200 would be low enough for that!)

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:21 pm

dsr wrote:The majority is 12 at the moment. It can't reduce by much and still be a majority.

I think she's trying to keep the majority just low enough that Corbyn doesn't feel he ought to resign. (Though possibly anything less than 200 would be low enough for that!)

DSR, do you look at Pollingreport much?

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:23 pm

Spijed wrote:DSR, do you look at Pollingreport much?

Nope. Should I?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:36 pm

dsr wrote:Nope. Should I?

Yes, it's a great site for good debate on the latest polls:

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:11 pm

What Labour need is....momentum!

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:34 am

Sidney1st wrote:If she wins and they toss her out I'd expect another election.

One reason for this election was so we'd have an elected leader taking us into Brexit etc.

Toss out an elected leader and we're back to square one.

I did say Sidney

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:45 am

Yes you did and we shall see later.

If she wins and is deposed then we're back to square one and no one wants another election soon.