I see Teresa is talking tough.
"If we have to increase prison terms, then so be it".

erm... Teresa!
It may have escaped your attention, but just to inform you, I don't think that will deter them.
They seem quite willing to either blow themselves up or wear vests that ensure their deaths.
The threat of serving another year or two in prison really isn't going to work is it?
You might have to have a little re-think about what to do.
Is that really what came out of the COBRA meeting this morning?

Teresa, here is a radical idea for you;
Try killing them before they f***king kill us.
Stop pretending you are tough when we can all detect that quiver in your voice,
when you basically admit you haven't a clue what to do.
Where is Churchill now we need him again?

Kill who before they kill us?

Just anyone who looks a bit terroristy?

3,000 pose high risk to the public.
20,000 under surveillance.
18 terrorist attacks planned to cause mass murder, foiled in 4 years..

That's a scary number.

These people need dealing with before attacks. If you're on these lists, you've done or are doing something wrong.

It's disgusting that some people try and defend these people, and call for their freedom and rights to be upheld until a crime is commited.... yes let's wait until they commit mass murder of innocent people before blowing themselves up, before arresting them...
Oh wait.

Pro active , not reactive should be the motto. Kill or be killed it seems could be the answer here!

This thread has potential...

He'll be a long shortly to stir up more racial hatred and troll a bit..

Sidney1st wrote:This thread has potential...

The potential to be repeat of about twenty other threads over the past couple of weeks.

Be careful what you wish for Bee Holed. If Corbyn gets in. He'll let more terrorists in and opposes shoot to kill. He'd rather the police disarm terrorists with poetry and flowers.

Cultivating an atmosphere through the use of terror where moderate Muslims are forced into making a dichotomous choice of siding with either country or God is LITERALLY a stated aim of ISIS. Every time people talk in terms of annihilation, ISIS and other Salafi jihadi groups move closer to achieving their end-goal.

ClaretAndJew wrote:Kill who before they kill us?

Just anyone who looks a bit terroristy?

No, No....I suggest we have a concert every weekend for those killed the previous weekend.
Just as long as those that 'look a bit terroristy' don't have their human rights contravened.

3 plots thwarted between Westminster and Manchester.
Is that 8 we know of in 3 months, 3 of which have been successful.

Wake up Britain and smell the coffee.

So who are we killing then?

Terrorists I think

I am of the opinion all police officers receive training in the use of firearms. They should then carry firearms in public like their European counterparts do.

That'll do for starters.

HollandsPies wrote:I am of the opinion all police officers receive training in the use of firearms. They should then carry firearms in public like their European counterparts do.

That'll do for starters.

When can they shot though?

They'll be uproar when John Smith was only carrying a back pack with nails in as a prank. The lovely lad taken too soon, when 8 years in jail would have been better.

This shoot to kill argument is a bit silly

Has May said she supports shoot to kill yet?

MACCA wrote:When can they shot though?

They'll be uproar when John Smith was only carrying a back pack with nails in as a prank. The lovely lad taken too soon, when 8 years in jail would have been better.

Macca, you talk as if there will be shootings willy-nilly. This clearly does not happen in France, Spain etc. Your comment is flawed.
Read the link below ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40148737" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Bet the British Transport Police Officer wishes he was carrying a gun. I certainly would and would've shot the two-hat dead if he came at me with a knife after knifing others.

ThinLizzy wrote:Be careful what you wish for Bee Holed. If Corbyn gets in. He'll let more terrorists in and opposes shoot to kill. He'd rather the police disarm terrorists with poetry and flowers.

Actually, according to the BBC tonight:

{Mr Corbyn restarted Labour's campaigning in a speech in Carlisle, in which he attacked the Conservatives' record in government and called for action to tackle extremism.
He pledged "whatever action is necessary and effective" to protect people.
"That includes full authority for the police to use whatever force is necessary to protect and save life as they did last night, as they did in Westminster in March," he said.
"You cannot protect the public on the cheap. The police and security services must get the resources they need, not 20,000 police cuts.
"Theresa May was warned by the Police Federation but she accused them of "crying wolf"."}

HollandsPies wrote:Macca, you talk as if there will be shootings willy-nilly. This clearly does not happen in France, Spain etc. Your comment is flawed.
Read the link below ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40148737" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Bet the British Transport Police Officer wishes he was carrying a gun. I certainly would and would've shot the two-hat dead if he came at me with a knife after knifing others.

I agree.

But the head in Sanders will argue "you can't go round shooting people willy nilly when you feel like it" obviously its not like that , but as soon as 1 is shot proventing mass murder uproar will occur.

We are only meant to act when it's too late so we don't offend these groups, who in the end die anyway more often than not..

Tough talking is a war on their deluded ideology via anthropology, epistemology and philosophy.

Pstotto wrote:Tough talking is a war on their deluded ideology via anthropology, epistemology and philosophy.

Oh yeah, some big words there Pstotto, can you back them up?






No, really, I don't know what they mean.

kendaldave wrote:Actually, according to the BBC tonight:

{Mr Corbyn restarted Labour's campaigning in a speech in Carlisle, in which he attacked the Conservatives' record in government and called for action to tackle extremism.
He pledged "whatever action is necessary and effective" to protect people.
"That includes full authority for the police to use whatever force is necessary to protect and save life as they did last night, as they did in Westminster in March," he said.
"You cannot protect the public on the cheap. The police and security services must get the resources they need, not 20,000 police cuts.
"Theresa May was warned by the Police Federation but she accused them of "crying wolf"."}

Amazing what he'll say to try win those extra votes..........

He pledged "whatever action is necessary and effective" to protect people ......... a contradiction to his grilling over pushing the "red button" to protect Britain on Friday evening

and after he's in office I can see it going a little like this.....
Assistant "Mr Corbyn, there are reports of men with knives attacking innocent members of the public at London Bridge"

Corbyn "Is this true or just hearsay?"

Assistant "It's true, we've just heard from an officer at the scene asking for immediate armed support"

Corbyn "Are you sure, what evidence do you have other than from one person"

Assistant "It's all over the news streams and social media"

Corbyn "OK get my car, I'll nip over and try reason with those responsible"

Assistant "But Mr Corbyn, the longer it is before we deploy armed officers, the more innocent Human lives are lost"

Corbyn "Aggression must be a last resort, I firmly believe dialogue is the way to disarm these individuals"

Are we allowed to remind people of what Enoch Powell warned us of?

No

Diesel wrote:Are we allowed to remind people of what Enoch Powell warned us of?

Already have done. Incident in London thread, post #406. Invite in the barbarian and suffer the consequences.

Stopping the people returning from playing war games with Dahesh would have been a positive start.
Just letting them return to their day jobs with impunity was never a solution.
Targetting hate preachers and deporting them failed miserably under Teresa's watch.
She needed to ignore the bleeding heart liberals and clamp down on several of the mosques where these ideologies are perpetuated.
Sorry but moderate Muslims now need to step up and denounce any extremists reporting them to the police.

Sound.

Barry_Chuckle wrote:Amazing what he'll say to try win those extra votes..........

He pledged "whatever action is necessary and effective" to protect people ......... a contradiction to his grilling over pushing the "red button" to protect Britain on Friday evening

and after he's in office I can see it going a little like this.....
Assistant "Mr Corbyn, there are reports of men with knives attacking innocent members of the public at London Bridge"

Corbyn "Is this true or just hearsay?"

Assistant "It's true, we've just heard from an officer at the scene asking for immediate armed support"

Corbyn "Are you sure, what evidence do you have other than from one person"

Assistant "It's all over the news streams and social media"

Corbyn "OK get my car, I'll nip over and try reason with those responsible"

Assistant "But Mr Corbyn, the longer it is before we deploy armed officers, the more innocent Human lives are lost"

Corbyn "Aggression must be a last resort, I firmly believe dialogue is the way to disarm these individuals"

Someone has a delluded imagination then. What part of that Corbyn speech says, do not protect the public by any means nessesary?

This politics thing is really ******** if people can't accept a statment of intent, and make something up to satisfy their dellusion.

Diesel wrote:Are we allowed to remind people of what Enoch Powell warned us of?

Yeah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw4vMZDItQo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Agreed.
Three deadly attacks in three months, Theresa May is obviously not up to the job.

"Theresa May was warned two years ago that cuts to policing were putting Manchester and national security at risk.

In a face-to-face meeting an award-winning Manchester police officer Mrs May was told that Tory cuts to community policing left officers without the intelligence that was needed to keep the city safe from a terrorist attack.

Inspector Damian O’Reilly was named Britain’s community policeman of the year in 2010, but quit his dream role after he could no longer stomach the affect of government policy."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/t ... r-10497970" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

wickdkewlclaret wrote:Someone has a delluded imagination then. What part of that Corbyn speech says, do not protect the public by any means nessesary?

This politics thing is really ******** if people can't accept a statment of intent, and make something up to satisfy their dellusion.

It's not delusional. You only have to listen to that creepy Seamus Milne's leaked conversation with Corbyn to see that he will just say anything to get votes. Milne says, in regard, to Trident, that he thought that he, Corbyn, managed to get through the questioning well enough without revealing his true thoughts on the matter.

Corbyn is a complete and utter lying subversive.

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:Agreed.
Three deadly attacks in three months, Theresa May is obviously not up to the job.

It's them van driving, knife wielding suicide bombing Bananas at fault.

Whereas May never tells lies!

If there are truly 3000 people who pose a 'high risk then these brainwashed wannabes should all be rounded up and deported/jailed straight away.

Funny how he comes out on top of fact finding counts in debates, but let's get back to the point.

You guys want swift action on terrorists (as we all do) and yet you support a prime minister who is weakening the very protection our country and people rely on.

Making 20,000 in police cuts only adds to the degradation of our protection. And you support that.

Not for me. The interests of the people must come first, before the interest of big business.

Breath taking hypocrisy from Corbyn.
A Hamas and Hezbollah supporter, just research what his "friends" did at Munich which was so bad it wasn't released until 1990.
His politics leave a lot to be desired but talk about a leapord changing spots, breath taking.

Braindead wrote:If there are truly 3000 people who pose a 'high risk then these brainwashed wannabes should all be rounded up and deported/jailed straight away.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/metro.co.u ... 62165/amp/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Do the people think that people on these lists go to lybia, Syria etc for a 6 month holiday?

The problem is policing these extremist when the budget is being constantly cut the only solution is to shoot first and ask questions after , obviously they are bound to get it wrong now and again but if they made the police immune from prosecution we should be ok .... Shouldn't we ?

Claretski wrote:Breath taking hypocrisy from Corbyn.
A Hamas and Hezbollah supporter

Really? He supports them? You really really believe, lily-livered, pacifist Corbyn is a supporter of terrorist organisations Hamas and Hezbollah? Really?
Or did he just say the word 'friend' whilst encouraging engagement in a meeting about a peace process?

Anthropology is the scientific study of human life.

1. Stress the anthropology of religion as a circumstantial construct i.e. if you live in a desert and cosmology appears to you as that, then you're more likely to have a religion that's arid. Hinduism is a jungle religion etc. I'm not an expert on the subject, it's a bit like the geologist Ian Stewart going on about why Egyptian temples are different to Greek ones- they had different materials to work with, which could only produce different outcomes.

2. Epistemology is the theory of knowledge, how knowledge is gained, transmitted etc.

3. Philosophy (from Greek φιλοσοφία, philosophia, literally "love of wisdom") is the study of general and fundamental problems concerning matters such as existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language.

epistemology
ɪˌpɪstɪˈmɒlədʒi,ɛˌpɪstɪˈmɒlədʒi/
nounPhilosophy
noun: epistemology

the theory of knowledge, especially with regard to its methods, validity, and scope, and the distinction between justified belief and opinion.

Diesel wrote:Are we allowed to remind people of what Enoch Powell warned us of?

44

Be interested if anyone has, and disagrees with his sentiments without simply resorting to calling him a racist. His point throughout was that lack of integration from an increasingly enlarging immigrant population would lead to problems, Difficult to argue with that on any level.

lucs86
If you believe what you just posted you really need to check his links to the Middle East, it will make uncomfortable reading especially if you actually check what happened at Munich.
As I said politically dodgy but the rest, check it out and perhaps you might have a different opinion.

Pimlico_Claret wrote:44

Be interested if anyone has, and disagrees with his sentiments without simply resorting to calling him a racist. His point throughout was that lack of integration from an increasingly enlarging immigrant population would lead to problems, Difficult to argue with that on any level.

Not difficult at all, just for starters there'd be hardly anybody in Burnley at all as many of us are descended from the Scots and Irish who came over to work in the mines and mills.

Claretski

"Breath taking hypocrisy from Corbyn.
A Hamas and Hezbollah supporter...."

Another Fuc king Hasbara troll...

https://whitewraithe.wordpress.com/a-gu ... ra-trolls/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:Not difficult at all, just for starters there'd be hardly anybody in Burnley at all as many of us are descended from the Scots and Irish who came over to work in the mines and mills.

Sorry, I should have said overseas Commonwealth immigration, as you are no doubt aware.

Blue, nice of you to pop in.

Just a quick heads up, I was doing a quick google search on something to do with British involvement in Iraq/Iran in the last century.

About the sixth hit was something by some sort of Jewish religous group that claimed something was true that most definitely isn't in relation to that.

All I'm saying is that there is a lot of **** online if you don't know anything about the subject to start with.

Have I hit a nerve!

Lancasterclaret..

"... if you don't know anything about the subject to start with"

From the "font of knowledge" on Russia and Ukraine.

GFY.

I've got a degree in that subject

What have you got apart from google?

Nite nite!

Where did you get your degree from?

Some clearing university?

Mine wasn't!

There is a report being put together on how terrorism is being funded. I think most will agree that understanding where the funds come from will give us a better opportunity to follow up the chain and arrest (or at least identify) where the money is coming from and deal with the problem more effectively. Sadly it is being said that Theresa May is trying to suppress the report because it is too delicate in nature. Possibly it fingers the blame on her good friends, the Saudis.