...apparently. Not sure if its been mentioned on here. If someone can kindly post the link, the Norwich paper has an interview with Ian Butterworth, their former defender, who is our new head of European recruitment.

One step closer to getting our first global advisor. Then we know we've made it.

Decent pedigree. Another ex Forest connection, although admittedly he was there a bit earlier than our management team, i assume that is the connection.

Hopefully he lasts longer than the previous chief European scout.

randomclaret2 wrote:...apparently. Not sure if its been mentioned on here. If someone can kindly post the link, the Norwich paper has an interview with Ian Butterworth, their former defender, who is our new head of European recruitment.

I was just going to post this and had the link ready.

When we appointed Robbie Cook in a similar position we did so with loads of fanfares although there was never mention from the club when he left for Charlton. There's been nothing said about Butterworth at all and I doubt any of us knew about him until this morning.

Link
http://www.edp24.co.uk/sport/norwich-ci ... -1-5062081" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Scouting is where we need to invest. We need to find undiscovered gems from abroad and players hungry to prove themselves.

Blackrod wrote:Scouting is where we need to invest. We need to find undiscovered gems from abroad and players hungry to prove themselves.

It's stepped up incredibly in recent years. It's hard to believe but when Sean Dyche arrived, every scout we had was Burnley based.

He goes to the same barber as Cotterill

Article now on the site at
http://www.uptheclarets.com/butterworth ... he-clarets" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ah so this is abc's new job.

Is it just me who finds the arrivals and departures at Turf Moor a bit like Animal Farm?

Sorry if that has been posted already, but I can't see it. About time:

http://www.burnleyexpress.net/sport/foo ... -1-8606217" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

We don't need players from Europe to come over here and take positions in the team from good, honest, hard-working Brits.

As someone said on an earlier thread, "coming over here scoring our goals"

http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... th#p426821" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks. Wow, that's an old thread. I thought it was todays news

ClaretTony wrote:It's stepped up incredibly in recent years. It's hard to believe but when Sean Dyche arrived, every scout we had was Burnley based.

That's scary !!

Vegas Claret wrote:That's scary !!

Was Lee Hoos who told me that not too long after Sean Dyche came. They'd put some of the maion scouts on gardening leave (Des Taylor & Brian Glover I think they were called) who had been brought in and we had to start rebuilding it.

It sounds a similar story to the youth development. The only changes to either, no matter who the manager, should only be to improve.

These areas surely have to have continuity.

And yet we still managed to sign Trippier, Mee, Shackell, Stanislas, Austin, Ings & Vokes and in doing so probably didnt spend much more than we wasted on just Hennings and Vossen.

Meh, wake me up when we've replaced Brendan Flood as the scout for South America, a position he's held for 5 years now

NRC wrote:Meh, wake me up when we've replaced Brendan Flood as the scout for South America, a position he's held for 5 years now

He brought in Guererro though

ClaretTony wrote:Was Lee Hoos who told me that not too long after Sean Dyche came. They'd put some of the maion scouts on gardening leave (Des Taylor & Brian Glover I think they were called) who had been brought in and we had to start rebuilding it.

pretty evident even from afar the strides made by the club in the not too distant past have been enormous, and whilst I find Dyche incredibly frustrating at times I find it amazing some people want him gone ! Dread to think where we would be without his 2 promotions

Vegas Claret wrote:pretty evident even from afar the strides made by the club in the not too distant past have been enormous, and whilst I find Dyche incredibly frustrating at times I find it amazing some people want him gone ! Dread to think where we would be without his 2 promotions

They've made a hell of a difference, that's for sure. Four years ago we had to sell Charlie Austin just as the season was about to start. We couldn't bring in a replacement until January and then only because John B launched a quick share offer that enough supporters took up to fund the signing of Ashley Barnes.

I'm not sure what the next step would have been had we not gone up, but it would have been more cost cutting and that, inevitably, would have led to us going down I think.

ClaretTony wrote:They've made a hell of a difference, that's for sure. Four years ago we had to sell Charlie Austin just as the season was about to start. We couldn't bring in a replacement until January and then only because John B launched a quick share offer that enough supporters took up to fund the signing of Ashley Barnes.

I'm not sure what the next step would have been had we not gone up, but it would have been more cost cutting and that, inevitably, would have led to us going down I think.

Gone down? I'm all for praising Dyche for his achievements with us but I can confirm we'd have not been relegated with that squad even after cost cutting. Trippier, Shackell, Vokes, Ings, Heaton, Mee, Duff, Barnes, Jones, Marney. Doesn't sound like a relegation threatened side at Championship level. We had a ready made replacement for Austin, Eddie Howe brought in Ings. Infact the board turned down £1M for Ings after Austin was sold.

It irritates me the view of our fans at times, it's like the fans have to put the players/club down to suit the ''little old Burnley'' thing. It's like the bitterness fans on here have when our rivals spend money on transfers, yet we're doing the same thing. Remind me of when Dyche was banging on about Middlesbrough's spending and how we couldn't compete, 5 days later we sign Gray for £9M. There is zero common sense among our fan base, our fans this season will be banging on about Huddersfield's crazy spending and how they're cheating by spending £10M on Mooy despite us spending more on Hendrick in the same position as them. Apparently i'm the negative one but i'm constantly told ''our players aren't good enough to pass a football''.

In our title winning season, the top 6 were the 6 biggest spenders in the league (Hull, Boro, Derby, Sheff Wed, Brighton), we spent £9M on Gray while Nottingham Forest were under a transfer embargo. Yes, we earned the right to spend whatever we like due to parachute payments from a previous promotion but why can't we just embrace the fact we aren't the tinpot side we have been. Yes, football can change quickly you only have to look in League One to see that but right now, we're a different animal to the side under Cotterill with 8 signed 1st team players and a squad of old freebies. Our fanbase is stuck in the dark times, most would actually like us to return to the dark times just so they could wallow in pity and sympathy at ''Little old Burnley''.

How do you really feel about it KRBFC?

KRBFC irritated by Burnley fans.
He also does irony.
Apparently.

KRBFC wrote:Gone down? I'm all for praising Dyche for his achievements with us but I can confirm we'd have not been relegated with that squad even after cost cutting. Trippier, Shackell, Vokes, Ings, Heaton, Mee, Duff, Barnes, Jones, Marney. Doesn't sound like a relegation threatened side at Championship level. We had a ready made replacement for Austin, Eddie Howe brought in Ings. Infact the board turned down £1M for Ings after Austin was sold.

It irritates me the view of our fans at times, it's like the fans have to put the players/club down to suit the ''little old Burnley'' thing. It's like the bitterness fans on here have when our rivals spend money on transfers, yet we're doing the same thing. Remind me of when Dyche was banging on about Middlesbrough's spending and how we couldn't compete, 5 days later we sign Gray for £9M. There is zero common sense among our fan base, our fans this season will be banging on about Huddersfield's crazy spending and how they're cheating by spending £10M on Mooy despite us spending more on Hendrick in the same position as them. Apparently i'm the negative one but i'm constantly told ''our players aren't good enough to pass a football''.

In our title winning season, the top 6 were the 6 biggest spenders in the league (Hull, Boro, Derby, Sheff Wed, Brighton), we spent £9M on Gray while Nottingham Forest were under a transfer embargo. Yes, we earned the right to spend whatever we like due to parachute payments from a previous promotion but why can't we just embrace the fact we aren't the tinpot side we have been. Yes, football can change quickly you only have to look in League One to see that but right now, we're a different animal to the side under Cotterill with 8 signed 1st team players and a squad of old freebies. Our fanbase is stuck in the dark times, most would actually like us to return to the dark times just so they could wallow in pity and sympathy at ''Little old Burnley''.

Doesn't matter what the squad was at the time. Had we not had gone up in 2014 there would have had to be more sales, simple as that. That would have weakened the squad further. That would have meant being weaker in the next season and the next which I am certain would have eventually led to us going down.

But we went up, we went up again and stayed up. That's changed the club dramatically but I remain convinced that without the first of the two promotions we'd have been a desperate club financially and we all (KRBFC excepted) know where that leads.

The gift that keeps on giving, he actually makes saxo appear to have some knowledge which is some going.

ClaretTony wrote:Doesn't matter what the squad was at the time. Had we not had gone up in 2014 there would have had to be more sales, simple as that. That would have weakened the squad further. That would have meant being weaker in the next season and the next which I am certain would have eventually led to us going down.

But we went up, we went up again and stayed up. That's changed the club dramatically but I remain convinced that without the first of the two promotions we'd have been a desperate club financially and we all (KRBFC excepted) know where that leads.

What CT is saying KRBFC is that had Dyche not done the wonderful job to get Burnley up when he did then CT did not have cofidence that Dyche could operate on a spot good young talent, bring them in cheap, sell them on to balance the books then restart the process.

Instead he believed that Dyche would have took Burnley down which shows such little faith in one of our best managers of all time.

Devils_Advocate wrote:What CT is saying KRBFC is that had Dyche not done the wonderful job to get Burnley up when he did then CT did not have cofidence that Dyche could operate on a spot good young talent, bring them in cheap, sell them on to balance the books then restart the process.

Instead he believed that Dyche would have took Burnley down which shows such little faith in one of our best managers of all time.

And little faith in the ability of the squad which served us so well (because the entire squad wouldn't have been sold to cut costs) which was my initial point. Like when I ask for us to pass the ball more, I'm met with "the players aren't good enough" yet I'm deemed the negative one....

Devils_Advocate wrote:What CT is saying KRBFC is that had Dyche not done the wonderful job to get Burnley up when he did then CT did not have cofidence that Dyche could operate on a spot good young talent, bring them in cheap, sell them on to balance the books then restart the process.

Instead he believed that Dyche would have took Burnley down which shows such little faith in one of our best managers of all time.

What I'm saying is nothing of the kind.

Butterworth can only improve our European Recruitment. He certainly cannot make it worse. Good luck to him.

The best thing that Burnley have done . They have to recruit players from European countries to survive . I am sure that they would get for cheap compared to acquisition of English players